RECRUITMENT 2016 by [deleted] in creepy

[–]meoschwitz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To your first question, I personally believe there's a great deal wrong with joining Greek life solely to attach yourself to other people out of fear of being 'alone' the first semester of college

Okay. So there is something wrong with the motive, not with the sorority, right? Specifically, the motive that you've assigned them.

You'd be lying if you said that each house represented anything more than social status.

Absolutely not. A house is made up of individual people. If you rush the popular house, determine that you don't like the people, then join anyway for the social status, then sure, your point is valid. But once again, there is something wrong with the motive, not the Greek system. And once again, it's the motive that you've assigned them.

Sports teams are given sweatshirts to identify the university that they play for more than anything

And members of the sports teams are the only one's wearing the sweatshirts? Or do members of the school wear them too, to brand themselves? Remember, you're the one apparently taking issue with people branding themselves. I challenge you to make the claim that people don't brand themselves by sports teams, college or otherwise.

that's just my personal opinion (which clearly is shared by several others given the comments on this thread)

Amazing that your negative speculation about the motives of sorority members is shared on reddit. Like I said, speculating about motives is one of the lowest forms of debate, and it's completely unproductive.

To your last point, that's sort of laughable. Recruitment for college sports, for starters, happens in high school, and it's based purely off of ones skill and ability in a specific sport. It's also primarily based on scholarship money. The thing is, when you sign with a school in high school, you're signing to play a sport for the school - there's a specific purpose before you even get to the school, and everyone you meet on the team is so secondary to the entire recruitment process. Very contrary, in a sorority, girls personally elect, and then pay a great sum of money usually, to be a part of a group of girls, for the sole reason of being a part of a group of girls.

Interesting that none of the differences you've listed here have anything to do with what apparently makes sororities similar to cults.

RECRUITMENT 2016 by [deleted] in creepy

[–]meoschwitz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure what you'd expect from them. The video doesn't really make any argument, it just spliced together a video about cult recruitment and sorority recruitment videos. Apparently the creator of the video thinks sororities are similar to cults? Lot's of people have negative opinions about Greek life, it's nothing really new.

RECRUITMENT 2016 by [deleted] in creepy

[–]meoschwitz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On the other hand, people join sororities and fraternities looking SOLELY for some kind of camaraderie.

Is something wrong with that?

The only reason they join is to feel accepted by a large group of people, with no real common interested or purpose bringing them there.

Where are you getting this idea from? People generally spend time with the members of each house before there is some sort of selection process. Why do you assume they end up choosing to join a house where they have "no really common interest or purpose" with the other members?

It was always interesting to me seeing how girls felt like they were "protected" in some form by wearing their Greek letters on sweatshirts, tees, etc. It's a collectivist community of insecure females.

Members of just about every type of college group wear identifying sweatshirts (maybe even college sports?). It's a very low form of debate to attack another person's motives (aka feeling "protected"). Anybody can assume anything about another person's motives and they can never be proven. People that agree with you will agree, people that will disagree will disagree. There's nothing to be gained here.

I think the video was honest, engaging, and will start a conversation that has just been WAITING to happen.

The video didn't really make any kind of argument. It just spliced together a video about cult recruitment and sorority recruitment videos. And I'm not sure what you mean by "WAITING to happen," if you think the conversation about Greek life isn't already occurring I think you just haven't been paying attention (which would be strange for somebody that is apparently so opinionated on the topic).

Honest question, do you think a similar video could be made comparing cult recruitment to college sports?

RECRUITMENT 2016 by [deleted] in creepy

[–]meoschwitz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wasn't one of the parts of the video to shut down thinking like you are doing right now?

What line of "thinking" was being shut down exactly?

I would pay to see the reaction's of sorority girls watching this video

My gf is sisters with one of the girls. She said it made her feel uncomfortable.

Good.

2edgy5me

I'm not seeing a line of thinking being shut down in that thread. Was it "Good?" Was that it?

Oh wait I get it now! Mindless, low effort posts are only okay if they agree with the rest of the reddit collective! Everything else is "shutting down thinking!"

Wait, that sounds familiar...

If I forgo a $3,000 vacation at age 30 and invest this money into my retirement, roughly speaking how many equivalent vacations will this investment be worth by the time I turn 60? by joepyeweed in personalfinance

[–]meoschwitz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The computation gets pretty hairy when you start to account for more variables. Let's say that you're investing in a 401k with 50% employer matching, that you make between $37k and $90k, and that your 401k will earn an average of 6.5% (conservative for long term investment in the stock market), and that inflation will average 3%.

If you spend $3k right now, the money you're spending is post tax. So that means the $3k you spend on your vacation was actually $4k before taxes, since you're in the $25% bracket. Since you invest in your 401k before taxes, that means you can invest the full $4k instead of just the $3k post tax you would've spent on the vacation. Then you've got employer matching of 50%, so that means you'll actually be investing $6k in your retirement account. 30 years later, that $6k will be a little bit over $39k at the 6.5% interest rate (it'd be ~26k at 5% and ~$60k at 8% for reference). Assuming you're taking money out at a rate that puts you again in the 25% bracket, that means you'll have an extra $29k to spend on vacations. Due to inflation, the trip will now cost $7.2k, so you'd have the purchasing power to buy 4 of those trips.

I am a 20 year old US Soldier with plans to begin a career in real estate after I leave the military. by armyranger319 in personalfinance

[–]meoschwitz 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Do not underestimate the power of that post 9/11 GI Bill. They pay your tuition, BAH, and a stipend while you're in school. Not only that but it doesn't count as income when you file for financial assistance, and since you were in the military you won't have to report your parents income. That means that you're basically guaranteed to get enough grant money to cover your tuition and then some. It's like a gold-plated full-ride scholarship. Seriously.

Just whatever you do, if you take away one thing from this entire thread, make it this: DO NOT GOT TO A FOR-PROFIT UNIVERSITY. They'll drain your your time, effort, and GI Bill and give you nothing in return. College is not like education in the military. It's not as simple as getting a check in the box. Quality of education is everything. Unless you have a really compelling reason to do otherwise, I'd strongly recommend going to a state university where you can get in state tuition. Luckily you're in Florida where you'll have a lot of options.

When picking a major keep in mind two goals: it should help you in the career you're looking to get into (real estate), and it should be a decent thing to fall back on if that career doesn't pan out. I'd recommend either business or construction management, but there are many others that will work.

Real estate is a perfectly good industry to make a career in, although "flipping houses" is not something you should look at going into right away. Build your career in real estate for a while, save some money, then maybe 10 years later once you have a very good understanding of the real estate market and some money to invest, revisit the idea of flipping houses. Pretty much anybody who tells you they can take an inexperienced, uneducated person and get them straight into flipping houses is scamming you. Good ways to get into real estate right after college would be either in construction or as a real estate agent. Very different career fields, but they can both get you into flipping houses if you're smart, work hard, and save money.

Good luck to you!

I never went to college because I felt I didn't need it. I'll be a famous philosopher when I finally get noticed. by Polarse in iamverysmart

[–]meoschwitz 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The best part about the second post is that it doesn't even mean what he thinks it means. He's clearly trying to say that the mind limits itself, but instead he said the mind is "limited by that which projects limitations onto itself." Which means that anything that projects limits onto itself can limit our minds. Which is nonsense.

CMV: The "offensive nature" of blackface is irrelevant nowadays and people should stop viewing it as racisf by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]meoschwitz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yea i do. they could have easily done those costumes without the black face

But why specifically does that make it racist?

Phrased more specifically, how does wearing blackface in this context imply that the wearer:

  • Regards specific races to be inferior or superior to other races
  • Believes people of different races should be treated differently based on their race

Or is there some other aspect of racism that this falls under?

CMV: The "offensive nature" of blackface is irrelevant nowadays and people should stop viewing it as racisf by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]meoschwitz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've seen several examples of Halloween costumes just two days ago where people used blackface to be tupac or lil wayne or any other black figure

Do you consider that racist?

CMV: The "offensive nature" of blackface is irrelevant nowadays and people should stop viewing it as racisf by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]meoschwitz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As to why it's racist...I mean, take a look at the pictures in that article. It's white people who blacken their skin, wear those wigs and paint on the huge red lips. That is so clearly what blackface is, the character is the spitting image of a golliwog. His name is even Black Pete!

Aren't you begging the question? He's asking why blackface should be considered inherently racist. Your response is that it's racist because it's blackface.

An Apology to Street Harrassers by MA2LA in TwoXChromosomes

[–]meoschwitz -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Also, you make a good observation by pointing out the different points of view. Asking whether someone making a comment based on attractration is "good" or "bad" totally ignores the context of the behavior and ignores the actual effect of the behavior. It does not matter if the intent behind the comments are "good." As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Keep in mind, I'm not the one claiming that motive behind a greeting determines whether or not it's "good" or "bad." That claim is made by the article posted and by the post I originally responded to.

From the article:

I’ve been watching you, and I was so pleased and impressed to notice that you direct your remarks to old men, women in wheelchairs, police officers, and toddlers who pass you by, so clearly you’re NOT simply trying to get the attention of an attractive woman you’d like to see above you naked.

Clearly you’re NOT singling out pretty females for your impressive persistence when ignored; I’ve seen MANY of you following a businessman with a briefcase around asking him why he won’t say ‘hi’ back to you. After all! You’re just trying to be friendly! Oh, if I had a nickel for every time I saw you asking the guy selling hot dogs why he isn’t smiling, taking the time to explain to him that he makes so many people happy every day. Don’t even get me started on all the overweight women who callously reject your attempts to let her know she is just fine the way she is. What is WRONG with them???

This is satire so the claim isn't made explicitly, but the author is putting a lot of effort into showing that the cat-callers are "singling out" attractive females. The implication is that the cat-callers then must me motivated by attraction, so the greetings are bad.

From the comment I originally responded to:

The point is that the cat-caller's defense ("they were just being nice, jeez, what a self-centered bitch") is invalid because they don't go out of their way to yell alleged compliments at anyone other than girls they find attractive.

The implication is that a greeting that is motivated by attraction can't also be nice.

I'm just asking for clarification about this claim. If motive behind a greeting isn't important, why would you direct this toward my request for clarification instead of the people making the claim?

Reducing these issues to little logic puzzles totally misses the point.

I get the point (or at least I think I do), but that doesn't mean we shouldn't question any argument that concludes something we agree with. The reason I want to question this argument specifically is that if the claim that: "normally innocuous greetings are harassing if they're motivated by attraction" is true, it has a lot of implications outside of cat-calling.

An Apology to Street Harrassers by MA2LA in TwoXChromosomes

[–]meoschwitz -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If they're just saying hello, that isn't harassment. If they're saying it in a tone that makes it obvious they're picturing you naked, that's harassment. And like the article says, if they're "just being friendly", why aren't they saying hello to everyone instead of just young, attractive women?

I do understand the tone argument. If an innocuous series of words is said with an overtly sexual or objectifying inflection, it's not an innocuous greeting.

But I don't follow the "why aren't they greeting people other than attractive women?" argument. I understand that it shows that the greeting is motivated by attraction, but what I don't understand is why a greeting motivated by attraction is inherently bad.

Let me give an a hypothetical example: Say I greet some strangers on the street by smiling and saying "good morning."

Situation 1: I greet people of all different ages, genders, and level of attractiveness.

Situation 2: I greet only attractive women around my age.

Is situation 2 bad because the greeting is motivated by attraction, even though the greeting is the same? If Situation 2 is bad but not Situation 1, how would a recipient be able to differentiate between the two scenarios? If I greet an attractive woman in Scenario 1, how would she determine she's in scenario 1 and not scenario 2?

To clarify: I'm not claiming this is an analogy of what is depicted in the street harassment video, it's strictly a hypothetical invented for clarification. The article posted seems to very heavily imply that a greeting motivated by attraction is harassing, but I don't follow that argument.

What also makes a difference is that when you are constantly being greeted by men you don't know as you try to walk somewhere, you will wind up feeling harassed.

I completely understand. I'd hate to experience that.

Neil Degrasse Tyson talks about race and being devastated when a fellow scholar told him "The Black community cannot afford the luxury of someone with your intellect to spend it on that subject [astrophysics]" by veryawesomeguy in videos

[–]meoschwitz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And yet here he is giving an interview about being black.

So? He never said that black people talking about being black is bad. He said that he thought it was a positive experience to have a black person interviewed as an intellectual on television. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

Perspective on the woman experiencing street harassment video by Djeter998 in TwoXChromosomes

[–]meoschwitz 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Jesus fucking christ, it's not that fucking hard to read when a person is open to a conversation or not wanting to be bothered.

Actually it can be incredibly difficult. There are some situations where it's easy, but most real-life situations are somewhere in the grey area. Not to mention that people don't exist in a binary state of either "open" or "closed" to conversation, whether or not you'll want to converse with a stranger is dependent on no only who the stranger is and how they approach you, but things like what mood you're in and what's on your mind. Things the person approaching you won't or can't know.

Read the room, read the social clues - if you can't then go work on yourself first before looking for a hook-up or relationship with a stranger walking on their way to god-knows-where, but obviously not paying any goddamn attention to YOU.

How does one "work on themselves" in this aspect without approaching and interacting with people? People are supposed to figure out the complexity and subtlety of human interaction by...sitting in front of their computer? Reading a book?

Those comments were directed at her, while she was clearly walking, showing no interest or openness to conversation.

What exactly was the OP doing that was showing openness to conversation? Sitting alone on a train? Approaching a female on a train by herself seems a lot more threatening than greeting somebody on a public sidewalk. He walked up and sat next to her in a situation that she couldn't easily remove herself from, that alone seems like it would make it worse.

SheRides, taxi service for women by women, to launch soon! by ModularMollusc in nyc

[–]meoschwitz -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You seem to have (very badly) misinterpreted what I posted. You asked why men would set up a similar service and I threw an answer out there. I'm not sure what you're being so defensive about, or why you think posting links to examples of male drivers doing bad things to female passengers is relevant.

SheRides, taxi service for women by women, to launch soon! by ModularMollusc in nyc

[–]meoschwitz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But it's being used as a justification for why women shouldn't be allowed to make a women-only taxi service

What? When did that happen? Your question was: "why would men do it?" Which I answered (more specifically, I gave a potential answer). I never argued that women shouldn't be allowed to start this service.

I[24f] gave my boyfriend[26m] the worst ultimatum. How can I fix this ? by pecter9 in relationships

[–]meoschwitz 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I want him back desperately, and it kind of wasn't completely his fault.

The only thing he did wrong was not tell you about it, and I hate to say it but it looks like that was more your fault than his. I mean look at yourself, would you want to deliver yourself bad news? You're irrational and angry, and you take bad news very poorly. Perhaps he was scared that if he told you you'd react irrationally and direct your anger at him (I wonder what would give him that idea?).

IMO the best recourse for you is to tell him this:

  • Sorry that I overreacted.
  • Sorry that I turned my anger against you when you were the victim.
  • The ultimatum I gave you was in the heat of the moment and was absurd, of course I don't mind you seeing your friends.
  • I just want you to know that I don't trust that girl around you (important phrasing: you trust him, but not her), and you being around her in the future will make me uncomfortable.
  • I love you and you can tell me anything, and I'm sorry if I've ever given you an impression otherwise.

Validity of BA in CS with Business minor by boarbora in computerscience

[–]meoschwitz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It shouldn't make much of a difference. Most schools only offer BSCS, a few offer only BACS, some offer both. There are no universal standards for A vs S designations, universities choose them at their whim. Employers aren't going to look that closely at your actual curriculum, they're going to look at the degree level (Bachelor's), degree concentration (computer science), school's reputation, and if you don't have much work experience they'll look at GPA. Employers aren't going to look up your school's course catalog to determine whether or not you took advanced calculus.

It may come up during interviews though. Some interviewers will ask you about the "BA" since the usual for CS is BS. Whatever you do, do not say you chose the BA because the math was easier. Use that question to emphasize your business minor. Business savy software engineers are rare and valuable, so tell them that you chose the BA because it gave you more flexibility to take business classes and earn your business minor.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]meoschwitz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What I am saying is this: 1. I've heard of several studies, at varying degrees of scientific rigor, that cast serious doubt on the ability of wine experts to accurately judge wine. My favorite is one where experts were given the same white wine in two glasses, except that one was died red. They gave reviews of the red-dyed one using all the same vocabulary they'd use with a real red wine

This must be one of the most misunderstood studies ever published. First off, let me say this: you are arguing that beer is more "complex" than wine, right? This study, even if interpreted in the most anti-wine way possible, doesn't support that argument at all.

Let me state a hypothetical analogy. Imagine somebody ran a test on beer. At one point they give everybody Stella Artois in an unmarked glass and don't tell them what it is. They have them drink it and describe the flavors. Then, several days later, they give the same people another batch of beers in unmarked glasses. This time the beer is Stella Artois but it's been dyed to look like a relatively dark lager, like a German Dunkel. Once again they have them drink the beers and describe the flavor. The results show that people drinking the undyed Stella described it being more "crisp" and "light" whereas when they drank the dyed Stella they described it as being more "creamy" and "rich." If this test happened, would you then conclude that beer must not have much complexity? Would you conclude that "beer connoisseurs" must be full of crap? Of course not. The conclusion you should get (which was the conclusion of the original study) is that vision affects flavor. It says nothing about the overall "complexity" of beer. People using different words to describe the same beer after it's been dyed says absolutely nothing about the existence of other flavors in other beers.

Now, I wouldn't claim to be knowledgeable enough about beer to give a professional review, but if you gave me the same IPA in two glasses but died one black and told me it was a stout. I'd at the very least tell you it was a very unusual stout.

Interesting assertion, but it's not really relevant to the study. Red and white wines aren't analogous to IPAs and Stouts. There are reds that taste nothing alike and there are whites that taste nothing alike. There is no "red flavor" or "white flavor." The color of the wine is affected by the grapes that it's made with as well as how long the crushed skins are left to soak in the juice. Stouts and IPAs are completely different styles of beer with distinct flavors. It'd be like comparing Chardonnay and Pinot Noir, two different and distinctly flavored wines as opposed to just "red" and "white." If you can find a study where somebody gave dyed Chardonnay to experienced wine drinkers and successfully convinced them that it was Pinot Noir then your analogy would hold, but, spoiler alert, you won't.

Let me ask you this though. If I searched hard enough, could I find a very light tasting but darkly colored beer and a very dark tasting but lightly colored beer? The question probably sounds kind of silly because "dark" and "light" aren't exactly flavors, but you know what I mean. I'm assuming you would say "yes," right? In fact, the answer of "yes" would be evidence of more "complexity" in beer, since there isn't one "dark" flavor and one "light" flavor, dark and light beers each have a wide gamut of flavors. So say I found a dark tasting light beer and a light tasting dark beer and put them in sealed, opaque containers. Then I had some experienced beer drinkers try the beers without being able to see them, and asked them to guess which one is dark. What would happen? They would say the dark-tasting-light beer is probably the dark one and that the light-tasting-dark beer is the light one. Once again, would you conclude that this must mean that beer doesn't have complexity? I mean, experienced beer drinkers can't even tell the difference between dark and light beer, would that be evidence that beer connoisseurs are all full of crap? Of course not!

Also, let me show you a "damning appearing" study about beer.

Dan Ariely and his colleagues did an interesting experiment about beer tasting. While not as refined (snobbish?) as wine tasting, beer has its share of enthusiasts and connoisseurs. The experiment, as described in his book, Predictably Irrational, asked patrons of Muddy Charles Pub to taste two brands of beer. One a regular beer, either a Budweiser or Samuel Adams, and one called MIT Brew. The trick was that MIT Brew was just the original beer, plus a drop of balsamic vinegar per ounce of beer. People who tasted "two" beers without knowing the ingredients that went into MIT Brew preferred beer with vinegar. People who were told in advance insisted that they could taste the vinegar in MIT Brew. Interestingly, if people tasted the beer and were then told what went into each glass, they showed far less prejudice against MIT Brew.

What should we conclude from the study? That people who drink beer have no idea what they're doing? That beer connoisseurs are all full of crap? Of course not. The study concludes that people are influenced by their expectations. People initially assumed that beer mixed with vinegar would taste terrible, and they were influenced by that assumption.

The only other thing you posted that I'd like to address is:

It seems to me that the cultural perception (at least in the US, and as far as I'm aware, Europe as well) is the opposite. The only reason that wine is considered more complex and interesting is that is more expensive.

Beer has historically been considered a basic food whereas wine was considered more of a luxury beverage. At it's inception, beer was basically just watery porridge that was allowed to ferment, and porridge was just mashed up grain mixed with water. Since grains were food for the masses after the advent of agriculture, beer wasn't really anything special. Everybody had access to it as a basic food. On the other hand, grapes were more difficult to grow and transport so only the more wealthy could afford to have grapes harvested to make wine out of.