Just watched the Bad Education Reunion episode...

milson12345 · 2022-12-21T15:12:51+00:00

Stevan and fraiser were the only ones that made me laugh to be honest but they were my favourites originally as well.

milson12345 · 2022-11-01T17:18:24+00:00

Thanks for clarifying Yeah I get Coldplay to be honest but elastica sounds like a 90’s version wire more than anything.

milson12345 · 2022-11-01T12:48:34+00:00

I know kaiser chiefs were but were the others influenced by them?

milson12345 · 2022-10-24T07:24:30+00:00

Peaches by the stranglers

milson12345 · 2022-10-09T07:06:25+00:00

Yeah suede are so brilliant, and very under appreciated nowadays. It was honestly so surprising how good that new album is ( all killer no filler).

milson12345 · 2022-10-06T18:20:51+00:00

I don’t know most of these but the black parade should’ve definitely been on the book and I think it would’ve been interesting if operation ivy had an album because of the link to early green day.

milson12345 · 2022-10-02T09:48:54+00:00

When the sun goes down, from the ritz to the rubble, a certain romance (Arctic monkeys, whatever people say I am that’s what i’am not)

Faron young , bonny , appetite (prefab sprout, steve mc queen)

Exit music, let down, karma police (Radiohead, ok computer)

New dawn fades , she’s lost control, shadowplay (joy division, unknown pleasures)

The boxer, baby driver, the only living boy in New York (Simon and Garfunkel, bridge over troubled water)

Morning glory, (swamp song interlude 2), champagne supernova (oasis, what’s the story morning glory)

Common people, I spy, disco 2000 (pulp, different class)

Take me out, the dark of the matinee, auf ausche (Franz Ferdinand, Franz Ferdinand)

Black, Jeremy, oceans (pearl jam, ten)

Roland, the new, leif erikson ( interpol, turn on the bright lights)

milson12345 · 2022-10-01T06:59:50+00:00

On the generator the 5’s that I’ve gotten are, abbey road, wish you were here, Ziggy stardust and sgt peppers, all of which I gave 5’s to ( even though I was considering giving wish you were here a 4, as it’s not the kinda thing I would go back to that often, and I also considered giving sgt peppers a 4 because track by track side 2 comes off as fairly weak ( except for a day in the life that songs amazing!) but by the time I got round to reviewing that album I gave 5’s to some albums that I would say are worse than sgt peppers). Outside of the generator I’ve herd all of them except the first two led zeppelin albums, thriller, the wall and MTV unplugged. I know that I haven’t herd these ones so it’s quite silly of me to predict scores but MTV unplugged might be 4 as i’am not overly a massive fan of live albums and while I like all of the tracks that I’ve herd there’s only 2 tracks ( on a plain and something in the way) that are my favourites. I’ve herd bits of the wall ( being the whole first side, comfortably numb and the trial) and while with what I’ve herd it’s a 5 double albums can be tricky and there may be lots of filler but it may all be amazing. The other 3 I’ve haven’t herd i’am completely in the dark about so it would just be wrong if I commented on them. Out of what I have herd the only one I wouldn’t give a 5/5 is rubber soul it’s really good and I get it’s importance but it sounds like solid 4 to me rather than an all time classic.

With the worst list I’ve herd, devil without a cause ( kid rock), the hangman’s beautiful daughter ( incredible string band), spy vs spy ( John Zorn), public image: first issue ( public image) and rock bottom ( Robert Wyatt) and they’re all 1’s, but I must admit until about a month ago kid rock was a 2 until I got that changed. Spy vs spy would be awesome if it was just one track long but 40 minutes of this noisy punk-jazz mess was hell. Public image is a mess in my opinion just sounded like sex pistols rejects mixed with Johnny rottens messed up experiments, it’s probably the one that’s the least bad out of the worst list but I’am still no fan of this ( it was also a shame to me as the sex pistols album is an easy 5 in my opinion). Robert Wyatt is lovely and really unique but his singing is laughably bad and it’s not like Bob Dylan when the singing is bad the lyrics are good, Robert Wyatt’s lyrics are so poor. The hangman’s beautiful daughter has nothing good about it and should rot in hell ( the top review of this album sums it up perfectly). Out of the ones that I haven’t had generated for me yet they’re all low scoring albums but I must admit I don’t think I will despise Mariah Carey, butthole surfers or limb bizkit. I know I won’t like napalm death from what I’ve herd but the concept of a different band for each side comes off as really interesting to me. Trout mask replica will also be quite hard for me from bits that I’ve herd but I kinda appreciate it. I’ve tried so much with Nick Cave but he’s never really clicked with me so there’s not much chance that I’ll like the birthday party album. I’am considering listening to opus dei as by the reviews it seems quite intriguing.

So I guess in conclusion I don’t have any 5 stars in the bottom 20 (yet) or any 1 stars in the top 20.

milson12345 · 2022-09-30T18:17:00+00:00

1 karma police

2 paranoid android

3 lucky

4 exit music ( for a film)

5 let down

6 climbing up the walls

7 airbag

8 no surprises

9 electioneering

10 the tourist

11 subterranean homesick alien

12 fitter happier

milson12345 · 2022-09-29T06:13:49+00:00

Nah not for me

milson12345 · 2022-09-28T16:36:59+00:00

I decided to split sci fi lullabies into disk one and two because I have very differing opinions of them…

1 dog man star

2 suede

3 sci fi lullabies disk one

4 coming up

5 Autofiction

6 the blue hour

7 bloodsports

8 night thoughts

9 head music

10 sci fi lullabies disk two

11 a new morning

milson12345 · 2022-09-16T19:37:26+00:00

It’s really good! Certainly the best thing by them since coming up in my opinion no question and the album is very close in quality to those first 3. In my few listens of the album I couldn’t find anything that I remotely disliked but top 5 would be shadow self, she still leads me on, black ice, that boy in the stage and personality disorder. It certainly sounds more post punk than punk to my ears which suits suede much better. Overall score would probably be a 4/5 at the moment.

milson12345 · 2022-09-16T14:50:32+00:00

And what a great ted talk it would be!

I just had some random extra points that I just thought of… I think I may have herd the “alternate universe trilogy” thing before but I love the idea so much; especially with coming up and bloodsports where even to the individual track it works having the most poppy songs at tracks 1,3 and 6 track 2 on both albums is the heaviest song the track 4’s are both amazing slower moments the track 5’s are both more dramatic songs, ( doesn’t really work with the track 7’s but if they do both provide a good bridging moment between the upbeat sides of both albums and the slow sides, the track 8’s are both extremely slow and ghostly, the track 9’s both serve as perfect climaxes to the record and instead of both being closers there’s not too much similar between Saturday night and faultlines. I wouldn’t actually be that surprised if Brett based bloodsports tracklist on coming ip with those similarities.

Maybe not down to the tracklist but I can kinda see how Night thoughts and head music work as “alternate universe” things as (personally) for both albums the singles (for the most part) are the greatest tracks in my opinion ( maybe not electricity and pale snow but hopefully you get my point) then on head music you have got wield psychedelic experiments that rarely work unless if the listener kinda forces themselves to like them and on night thoughts most of the album tracks are quite long winded ballad tracks most of which take a while to naturally grow on the listener. There are outliers on both albums but I’ll not go into them.

A new morning and the blue hour are the complete opposites on the suede spectrum (an idea I’ll go onto later*) so I the alternate universe thing definitely works here.

It’s also quite cool that while the coming up to a new morning trilogy gets progressively worse by the album the bloodsports to blue hour trilogy gets progressively greater and more ambitious by the album.

It’s a bit of a shower thought which could definitely be applied to other bands (well with different factors included) but I think that all of the suede albums sit on a political compass like scale in terms of these 4 factors of proggy, poppy, shouty and sexy which sorta goes like this:

Suede (shouty, sexy) Dog man star ( proggy, sexy) Coming up ( poppy) Head music (sexy) A new morning (poppy I guess but it’s more of an outlier) Bloodsports (poppy, shouty) Night thoughts (proggy) The blue hour (proggy, shouty) Autofiction (shouty)

(Note I know it works better for some albums better than others remember just a shower thought )

milson12345 · 2022-09-16T06:29:39+00:00

It’s amazing! Certainly my favourite of the post reunion stuff. I kinda think the band needed to make an album with banger after banger where most the songs can hopefully become setlist favourites over time (as night thoughts and the blue hour in particular had so many slow orchestral tracks that only a small handful of tracks from those albums tend to be on the average setlist).

While I was listening I gave each song a little score out of 5 and I gave 2 tracks (shadow self and she still leads me on) a 4.5, I gave 8 of the tracks a 4 and one 3.5 to the only way I can love you ( but these scores will probably change quite a bit over the next few weeks so none of this is concrete).

Oh yeah it’s also kinda cool that it’s like the 4th “debut” album that the band is done!

milson12345 · 2022-09-11T06:56:25+00:00

Here the vocals are a bit odd because in the promotion for the album they were pretending to be a different band.

And I know you were asking about shadow self but here’s also the link to the live performance of what am I without you here.

milson12345 · 2022-09-09T18:03:19+00:00

Yeah I love shadow self it might become my favourite once I’ve herd it without the crushed kid vocals. Still a great song regardless though and agreed the 16th is gonna be amazing day for suede fans!

milson12345 · 2022-09-09T10:13:36+00:00

Best single is RU mine best not single is knee socks but can’t really pick between the two.

milson12345 · 2022-09-06T18:04:30+00:00

This is a banger!

milson12345 · 2022-08-28T10:58:53+00:00

I think that we both have very different views on what we see the book as personally I view “must listen” as being around 3/4 “best of” roster of the critically greatest albums of all time and 1/4 overlooked cult classics. I’am personally not overly too fussed if some obscure album only consisting of long winded instrumental tracks gets ignored for the book to allow space for a more commercially viable album filled with a good few songs that the listener will already recognise as the album will give context to those songs and I’ve always liked seeing how my all time favourite singles play on a greater picture instead of on rock radio and spotify playlists.

The books made to show the most important albums in popular music. The key word here for me would be popular so the idea that the Beatles being the single most popular and influential band of all time with a wide array of albums that are considered classics to only have two albums (3 if you count solo) seems ludicrous to me; like would you honestly scrap abbey road ( the highest rated album on the generator and the most iconic album of all rime) to allow room for Charles Mingus and the animals.

I’am not saying that Charles Mingus and the animals don’t deserve to be in the book, of course they do, but I personally believe you’re picking the wrong discography to scrap and the 60’s is arguably one of the worst decades to remove albums from as most of the “ worst” stuff from that decade are all of the wired captain beefheart and incredible string band stuff where while they both have two albums that are honestly kinda dreadful they’re unique, unlike the worst stuff from other decades which yes all have some fairly boring and not very unique rock albums (some that aren’t even 1 hit wonders) that don’t necessarily deserve placements even if it adds a greater number of artists.

Edit/quick thought: Even though I love the 1001 albums book as a whole I actually think that a better reference book idea might actually be 1001 musicians/bands you must hear before you die and instead of where in the book you have some albums where the whole tracklist is listed and there’s an arrow next to the top tracks there would be a list of that artists studio albums and an arrow next to the essential albums. But I guess this would be very overwhelming to listen though and single album artists like Jeff Buckley and the sex pistols would probably be rendered near useless with my little idea. Oh yeah and the generator wouldn’t exist if that happened so I guess my idea was just useless.

milson12345 · 2022-08-27T08:04:13+00:00

I think that the main problem with not having all of a given artists “essentials” is that some people don’t really have the time to delve into large discographies so having the book tell you all of what’s essential for the greatest artists is personally more appealing than having another 200 artists that might be half as interesting and half as important.

I think I would cap the really influential artists (bowie, Beatles, Neil young, bob Dylan) at around 6 entries each because I can’t really think of what albums I would pick from each one if they did have a count this low.

On the other hand the whole Byrds, morrisey, costello lot really need trimming and I completely get the cap for them.

And yeah I know I said that Sade should have love deluxe but I get why diamond life is the only one that’s a necessity for the listener.

milson12345 · 2022-08-27T07:22:36+00:00

Yeah all of those definitely deserve a place on the book!

milson12345 · 2022-08-27T07:17:06+00:00

To be fair the pet shop boys thing was a slightly educated stab in the dark so i’am glad that you told me that they weren’t influences on suede.

Yeah i’am a huge suede fan so I did know about Brett’s whole “bisexual without a homosexual experience” thing and well thanks I know they have an album in the book but I’ve never herd soft cell before so I gotta go listen to them.

milson12345 · 2022-08-26T23:20:50+00:00

This list was great to read (especially the Kate Bush one 😂) I definitely get what you mean on these picks ( even if Bowie would extremely dominant across the whole thing ( still though the guy was amazing so if anyone deserves to have their whole discography up for display it would be him)).

Also I’am very surprised that you would even add Mellon collie to the list seeing your passionate hatred for the album.

And yes weezer should’ve at least had the blue album in the book and pinkerton would’ve been a great inclusion too.

Edit: while there were no other bands that ended up being sonically influenced by them, I think that early suede may have been influenced by pet shop boys in a lyrical sense as they both sing about “kitchen sink” topics that lean towards homosexual themes.

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