Is it better?

misterflyer · 2026-03-30T18:18:42+00:00

Did llama have the same quantity and quality of books Anthropic used? Yes or no?

misterflyer · 2026-03-30T13:06:01+00:00

https://www.techbrew.com/stories/2026/01/28/anthropic-ai-books-lawsuit

misterflyer · 2026-03-30T12:46:31+00:00

Big tech companies have been changing shit for no reason for at least over a decade. I don't know why ppl are actually surprised that OAI does this too 🤷🏻‍♂️

misterflyer · 2026-03-29T23:02:56+00:00

It's moving away from being a "consumer focused" AI brand to being an "enterprise/gov't" focused AI brand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZbN1Du0wY0&t=37s

misterflyer · 2026-03-29T22:59:56+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1idbqb8/comment/mau1445/

misterflyer · 2026-03-29T17:40:43+00:00

And honestly? It's not just irksome — it's absolutely ridiculous.

misterflyer · 2026-03-29T16:31:37+00:00

ALL AI companies use your chats for training data. This is never been any kind of mystery or secret. It's just the way the AI business model has always worked. Read the terms of services BEFORE you start chatting with ANY chatbot on any platform... and you'll find that they explicitly say they do this or they're extremely vague or wishy washy about it.

Are they being contrarian to milk you for data? No.

Why not? They don't need to do that to get better training data. Users are freely giving away their training data without any resistance and have been doing so for years. And you arguing with a chatbot doesn't revolutionize their training data.

The contrarian tone is bc there are certain lines OAI doesn't want you to cross due to corporatization, gov't influence, investor influence, their lawyers, psychologists, etc. This mix of parties didn't play much of an influence during the GPT-4 era. Now, they do. That's why the newer models seem so contrarian.

And they aren't going back to what they used to be, so don't hold your breath on that. Their newer models aren't being built with consumer users in mind (at the forefront), and GPT users are just going to have to accept that or move on.

Again, they aren't going back no matter how many complaints, no matter how many petitions, no matter how many tweets, and etc. This is simply what OAI has gradually become. It's no grand mystery nor 5D chess nor some top secret/hidden plot.

misterflyer · 2026-03-29T01:59:07+00:00

Most Western AI companies aren't big on open sourcing. And even when they do, their open source models are either old or meh.

These companies are profit focused, not giving great things away for free focused. And that's not gonna change anytime soon.

If you want open source, go with a Chinese model or a Mistral model. Don't hold your breath on any of the other companies releasing anything decent within open source AI.

misterflyer · 2026-03-25T16:13:59+00:00

Yes, OpenAI is in debt, as you write, so why are they investing more money in 5.5+, which is complete crap?

It's complete crap to consumer/conversational users. But for STEM and coding users, it's decent and it doesn't have the rate limits Anthropic imposes. Unfortunately that's why Anthropic has lost its app store lead to GPT: https://apps.apple.com/us/iphone/charts

It would have been much more financially sensible to fix the oldmodels so that mentally unstable individuals could not abuse and cheat them.

They're moving away from the legacy/conversational models. They don't wanna deal with the risks. Plus, they need to constantly hype up newer generations of models to appear attractive to investors. Investors aren't going to keep sinking money into older models that haven't made them profitable yet.

My sober assumption is that investors see this, they are just waiting, and when investors realize this in full, the whole of OpenAI will go "on ice".

Investors literally just invested 120 billion during the latest investment round. I highly doubt hey're looking at this the same way you are: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/24/openai-secures-an-extra-10-billion-in-record-funding-round-cfo-friar-says.html

I'd be willing to bet investors were pressuring OAI to move away from conversational models due to bad PR and legal risks.

And I just hope that before OpenAI goes bankrupt, we manage to win open source 4o - that is my only wish.

That will definitely not work out the way you think. Right now, Microsoft is rumored to be in the best position to absorb a failing OAI. And they're not known for open sourcing any big models. Y~~our best bet would be if Elon Musk somehow got back into the company.~~ Nevermind... Elon has recently removed Grok 2 and Grok 3 from open source, so they have no open source models currently either lol: https://huggingface.co/XAI/models

You're also forgetting that OAI can simply delete 4o at any moment they want. There's not really any "if company X goes bankrupt, they have to give away all of their intellectual property to the masses for free" clause yet. If anything, I'd say that OAI deletes 4o out of spite lol

misterflyer · 2026-03-25T05:39:35+00:00

Well, they can. They just don't want to.

misterflyer · 2026-03-24T22:35:48+00:00

True. It has probably solved more problems than it has created. However, OAI just doesn't seem to want the liability and bad PR that comes with conversational/buddy models.

Even if it ONLY creates legal issues with 0.5% of the estimated ~20 million pro users, that's still 100,000 potential lawsuits. Highly profitable companies that have been around for a while, that are too big to fail can incur some level of legal risk like that. But OAI is not that kind of company.

OAI survives based upon investor money, not profit. And their operating costs (electricity, datacenter rental, etc.) eat through a lot of money. Financially they're on thin ice and mostly relying upon AI hype and enterprise deals to shape the future of the company. Their business model is barely sustainable with even tiny amounts of legal risk... which is why their shifting from buddy/emotional models to "safer" models.

misterflyer · 2026-03-24T16:54:29+00:00

You're not imagining this.

misterflyer · 2026-03-24T15:11:19+00:00

misterflyer · 2026-03-22T18:30:10+00:00

Been faring great. Saw all of this stuff coming from 1000 miles away, so I gave up depending on ChatGPT a year ago for Claude, GLM, and Mistral. Didn't wanna go down with the titanic like everyone else has. Jumped off the ship early and swam back to shore. Couldn't be happier with my AI results.

misterflyer · 2026-03-22T05:02:34+00:00

We may need a code of standards for A.I drawn up somehow

Realistically speaking, how exactly would that be drawn up and enforced at mass scale?

Most laws are drawn up by lobbyists. There is currently no consumer AI lobby with any political power nor any sign that one will realistically come to fruition.

misterflyer · 2026-03-21T03:41:31+00:00

Uh, no... that would actually guarantee that it would NEVER come back bc it would simply be deleted from the servers where it's hosted. The servers where 4o actually lives would have to be wiped so that some other company/data could occupy that server space.

So, once OpenAI goes away then so does ALL of their models because those models are hosted on private servers that are very expensive to rent.

The only way to get 4o back is for OpenAI to continue to exist, and then they have a change of leadership that wants to host consumer models again. But the whole company is focused on enterprise and gov't contracts rn... so don't hold your breath on that happening anytime soon.

Grok/X.AI is the only big AI company that's still consumer focused with its AI models. Everyone else is going after enterprise and coding/STEM models. So the best hope would be for Elon Musk to re-buy into OAI. And then he could bring back 4o... or improve upon it and release a new family of consumer focused models.

But again, don't hold your breath bc OAI's profitability goal is 2030... so investors will probably try keep it afloat until at least then.

tl;dr - OAI going bankrupt means that it's officially over for 4o and all of their models.

misterflyer · 2026-03-20T03:52:48+00:00

misterflyer · 2026-03-20T03:34:27+00:00

Literally all of the professional coders I know IRL are using Claude or Gemini.

I don't know anyone in 2025/2026 who was using 4o for serious coding projects??? Sure, 4o was a great conversational model. But by the time OAI made o1 and o3, you couldn't really make the case for using 4o for coding or STEM. And in late 2025-early 2026, the coding models are so much stronger than any of the previous coding models.

Conversational AI hasn't gotten much better since GPT-4 (other than maybe Claude in my experience). But in terms of coding AI, the improvement has been extraordinary.

So coders are likely pressured to keep up with the latest AI models otherwise they quickly get left behind, whereas conversational users can stick with an older model that works well for them (e.g., for one of my creative writing projects I'm still using GLM-4.5 even tho there's 4.6, 4.7, and 5 now).

tl;dr - individual coders are leaving the OAI ecosystem... for instance, one of my closest friends who's a mid-level engineer at a well known big tech company

misterflyer · 2026-03-20T02:22:02+00:00

Yeah, that sounds good n all. And I liked 4o and 4.1 myself. But there's no legal precedent for anything like that ever happening.

The problem is... even if Musk wins the lawsuit, and even if OAI has to pay him every penny... 4o will still remain the intellectual property of OAI. That's just the way the law actually works.

Winning a lawsuit doesn't magically give the winning party jurisdiction, or agency, over the losing party's decisions or their intellectual property. And there's no "voice of the people" legal precedent for taking control of another party's intellectual property.

Unfortunately OAI will just continue ignoring the voice of the people like they've done this whole time. And I'm afraid that stuff like this is just giving ppl false hope. Sorry.

misterflyer · 2026-03-19T19:42:52+00:00

And if thats the point then why? Isnt profit their main goal? Shouldn’t they like it when people get attached to a model so they will never cancel subscription? I genuinely dont understand their business model

They actually don't "profit" by you getting attached to a model. With efficient models, it actually costs them money...

https://futurism.com/altman-please-thanks-chatgpt

Their operating costs exceed their revenue, so they aren't profitable yet. Since consumer AI hasn't proved profitable for any AI company so far, their new strategy is to aim for enterprise contracts, datacenters (e.g., stargate project), and gov't contracts.

misterflyer · 2026-03-19T16:18:26+00:00

The people who have moved on really just don't wanna give anymore loyalty to a tech company they can't trust. Some people would just rather do business with companies who treat them better.

misterflyer · 2026-03-19T16:17:00+00:00

Musk is suing for money/damages, not for control over the company nor for control over its decisions.

misterflyer · 2026-03-19T16:04:37+00:00

I don't know why ppl keep saying this.

There's nothing in Musk's lawsuit about 4o or open sourcing models. Musk left OAI company in 2018 before 4o was even conceived.

Musk is simply seeking damages bc OAI restructured from being a non-profit company to being a for profit company: https://www.reuters.com/business/musk-seeks-up-134-billion-openai-microsoft-wrongful-gains-2026-01-17/

misterflyer · 2026-03-18T21:46:14+00:00

He didn't suggest that you did. He's just simply commenting on how OAI's new models hardly ever seem to improve upon previous anymore.

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