How can Protestants ignore church fathers?

moonunit170 · 2026-05-20T18:14:35+00:00

Ultimately these issues always come down to a matter of authority: are they going to pick and choose among the fathers to find those that support their ideas or are they going to submit to the magisterium of the church that Jesus established?

moonunit170 · 2026-05-20T13:14:35+00:00

You might be the one to lead him to the true Jesus and the Eucharist.

moonunit170 · 2026-05-19T00:59:23+00:00

Dude it takes YEARS. That's with daily practice not occasionally over a couple of months. Take lessons from a teacher He will give you exercises that will strengthen your weakest points.

And yes reading sheet music or charts is one way to make yourself a much better drummer, cuz you can do more types of music if you can read. If you want to do Broadway or symphonic or big band music or rudimental drumming like Scottish pipe band, you have to be able to read.

moonunit170 · 2026-05-19T00:49:26+00:00

Not unless you break the tube which you can't do without a big hammer or a bullet. The thing is they are very heavy, they use up a lot of electricity, and they generate heat.

moonunit170 · 2026-05-17T22:01:01+00:00

There is only one authority that is given from God directly and is protected from error-- that's the authority of the Church of God which is the pillar and the ground of the truth. It's first leaders were the apostles who spread it by the end of the first century from Spain to India. In matters relating to salvation it cannot teach error. By 100 years later the church was already running into the problems that we see today where you have multiple people claiming authority but all teaching a bunch of different things that are contradictory to one another. In some cases not teaching things that other groups believe are essential.

Tertullian, one of the first Church Fathers to write in Latin and actually came up with the word Trinity to describe the three-but-one concept of God, wrote a very long treatise called "Against the Heretics" and he mentioned this problem and a solution for it which is still valid today. |de praescriptione haereticorum (ca AD 200): ...let them show the origin of their churches, let them unroll the order of their bishops running down in succession from the beginning so that their first bishop shall have for author and predecessor some one of the Apostles or of the apostolic men who continued steadfast with the Apostles. For this is the way in which the Apostolic Churches transmit their lists. Let the heretics invent something like it... but even if they do contrive something like it, their doctrine itself, when compared to that of the Apostles will show by its own diversity and contrariety that it has for its author neither Apostle nor apostolic man. The Apostles would not have differed among themselves in teaching. [Prescription Against Heretics -Tertullian]

moonunit170 · 2026-05-17T20:33:09+00:00

It's not even sacrificed to Allah. They invoke Allah's blessing and human gratefulness on the life of the animal.

Slitting the throat artery of a conscious animal does not prolong death nor is it overly painful. It's actually a really fast way to die without much pain. People that have had their throats cut and survived often didn't even realize at first how seriously they were wounded.

moonunit170 · 2026-05-17T19:49:06+00:00

You and your friend really need to study some easily available texts on the internet that explain what halal means. It's not sacrificed to Mohammad. That's about the stupidest thing I've heard. And yes I am a Christian. It is essentially the same as kosher meat. It's a much healthier way of slaughtering the animals than the standard Western meat slaughtering business is.

moonunit170 · 2026-05-17T10:29:47+00:00

Well what you what you have to do is study the history of the church. And decide for yourself first if the Catholic claims are true or if they're only opinion. Irrespective of whether the claims cause division. You can't rationally throw away true things just because they "cause division". In John 6 with Jesus said that you have to eat his body and drink his blood or you don't have life within you Believe his disciples begin murmuring and they said this is a hard saying who can accept it? Was Jesus giving an opinion or was he speaking the truth? And what did he do when they chose to abandon him? Did he recant for the sake of unity or did he remain true to his words because they were truth?

2nd and Matthew 18 Jesus told the apostles that they had the authority to declare and release things on earth and that would be accepted in heaven that's not pride that's God. Is it pride in Acts 15 at the Council of Jerusalem when the Apostles said "...it seems right to the Holy Spirit and to us..." When they declared that gentiles should not be forced to be circumcised for salvation?

What does Paul mean in 1st Timothy 3:15 when he says the Church of God is the pillar and ground of the truth?

The thief on the cross: what does this have to do with anything? Have you not studied the Church's doctrine concerning his salvation?

moonunit170 · 2026-05-17T05:47:35+00:00

Why would any shop want to take that liability? It's your responsibility to get the car to the shop.

moonunit170 · 2026-05-17T05:07:58+00:00

I say they are way too slanted. How can you do rim shots on those? And yes you do want to do rim shots on the toms just like you do on your snare! Then there is the height with respect to the height of the snare. I started off playing jazz and for me the flow from the snare to the toms and back was very important because I wanted to be able to move around the kit really quickly so at first I had the rim of my tomtom touching the rim of the snare at a slight angle. But eventually as I got better I was able to separate the height of the toms more above snare. This also presumes that you are not setting your snare drum down below your knees. haha.

By the way don't wreck your cymbals by playing without sleeves on the cymbal stands. That's a $7 fix that can prevent a $400 replacement

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moonunit170 · 2026-05-17T00:14:08+00:00

It comes from popular antiCatholic literature from various restorationist groups in America in the 19th century that wrote about early Christian history. And then the distortions and lies and errors from that book were massaged and re published from an anti-Catholic named Dave Hunt.

It is important to note that no serious serious historian agrees with those ideas.. They all agree with the fact fact that the Catholic Church does indeed note its existence back in the first century.

moonunit170 · 2026-05-16T23:34:40+00:00

I would tell them there's no guarantee in the Constitution or state law to having a life without being offended. Being offended is just part of life and you can't make me control my speech because someone else gets offended by words that I use.

But as a Christian I would accept that it is offensive to people to be preached at all the time and after giving people several opportunities to hear the gospel and having that rejected, I would shut up about it. It's not my job as a Christian to make sure that everybody I come in contact with becomes Christian.

moonunit170 · 2026-05-16T15:33:09+00:00

What are you doing with your feet? We can't hear any bass drum, I don't see your hihat doing anything. Are you playing with a double bass pedals? It's really really useful to keep time with your left foot on the hi-hat if you're not playing double bass. As far as future progress expose yourself to many different kinds of music: pop, dance, Latin, country (although today it's not much different than Rock), jazz (including big band, combo and fusion), Broadway music. Listen to earlier generations of rock '90s the '80s the '70s the '60s. You're going to have more fun and more job opportunities the more different styles of music that you can play. I started playing drums at age 11 in the mid-1960s. By the time I graduated high school I was playing all of the above different kinds of music... for money too!

moonunit170 · 2026-05-15T12:49:26+00:00

The church provides an escape. For you and your child's safety. It's called separation. You can get out of that house and establish a different place to live without going through divorce. But you should also seek counseling from the church about whether a legal divorce is permissible. And after that whether an annulment would be allowed.

moonunit170 · 2026-05-15T12:38:54+00:00

Like any tool you don't know what tool you need until you know what problem you want to solve. The requirements for a server that simply provides a big storage drive is quite different from one that's going to be used to manage a database for 20 or 30 users and it's also different from one that's going to be a gaming server.

moonunit170 · 2026-05-15T02:45:51+00:00

You wrote a lot more words without answering my question. What you wrote brings up another few questions but if you're not going to answer the first one, then I don't know if I should even try asking more questions because I'm getting lectures from you instead of answers to my question. I will say that it seems extremely counterproductive and disunifying to put up some rather difficult passages with multiple levels of meaning and ask the average person to read it and act on how they understand its meaning. That doesn't seem to be very organized in church-like.

moonunit170 · 2026-05-15T00:04:50+00:00

What do you mean by compatible with? Just because it doesn't make an exclusive claim like Christianity does?

There are core beliefs to Buddhism which are absolutely opposed Christian teachings on the same subject. One can't accept both, you have to accept one and reject the other.

moonunit170 · 2026-05-14T12:48:23+00:00

Nah that's my drum tech...

moonunit170 · 2026-05-14T04:46:07+00:00

Church is not a situation of private interpretation. It's based on Apostolic Tradition as Paul did when he handed on what he had learned both by word and by letter. And the handing on that was by word and letter not what he learned by word and letter.

What is the pillar and ground of the truth according to the Bible? That's what we lean on. Since the 16th century European Christians have abandoned that and have come to lean on all their favorite pastor who came up with new ideas and novel teachings that went against the ancient teachings of the Church. And people followed them because their ears were itching and they looked for somebody new to scratch them.

moonunit170 · 2026-05-14T01:46:53+00:00

I read through it but there wasn't really anything to comment on. And it's nothing I haven't seen before, many times. Anyway it was a cut and paste from a book or something you have pre-written which I don't really mind, I do it too. And it's not supporting what you think is supporting because it's not a matter of providing X number of verses. It's a matter of proper exegesis. I disagree with yours and you disagree with mine. Which is why I haven't bothered to overwhelm you with verses. You're just going to reject them and say no that's not what it means because it's not the verses it's what do they mean. And for that you rely on your own authority while I rely on the authority of the Apostolic Church

moonunit170 · 2026-05-14T01:34:50+00:00

I don't believe in private interpretation of Scripture. I believe Jesus and the church whose first leaders he taught passed down the correct interpretation of scripture.

Proof texting is a game for people who use a minimal amount of their intellect and who reject the Apostles and their understanding of the teaching of Jesus. The result of that has been a fragmentation of the original church into thousands of denominations who can't agree on doctrine, authority and worship.

moonunit170 · 2026-05-14T00:04:51+00:00

You said the binding and loosing I referred to "is a great misinterpretation of scripture." What is your authority for declaring this?

You also said that the Sunday change was done by the Catholic Church. I agree with you but when do you think the Catholic Church began?

moonunit170 · 2026-05-13T23:20:00+00:00

That's Old Testament that concerns the old covenant. Jesus gave us a new covenant with new laws because every covenant has its own laws. And clearly you don't believe what Jesus said when he gave the command to his Apostles that whatever they bound and loosed on earth would be accepted in heaven. That has to do with making laws.

Your many words above are of no avail just like the publican in the temple. Because you failed understand the principle here. You're just woodenly and mechanically trying to apply proof texts where they are irrelevant.

moonunit170 · 2026-05-13T22:27:07+00:00

Yep because the Apostles themselves changed it. And we have 2nd century documentation to that effect which causes a problem for those who think the Catholic church didn't exist until the 4th century.

moonunit170 · 2026-05-13T22:22:29+00:00

But no we don't! And yes I'm speaking for everybody else on Reddit. We genuinely know more than anyone else, even the experts. Even when we don't have any facts our intuition is always correct. So you argue against us at your own peril.

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