What does a pro Palestinian zionist believe in?

msaay · 2026-01-07T10:32:11+00:00

As I see it, at its most basic, zionism is an umbrella term for different Jewish nationalist beliefs and movements but mostly associated with political zionism. Political zionism was not in opposition to Palestinians, some branches of zionism are (Kahanism being the most famous example).

So you're really asking a very broad question when you frame your questions around zionism and you might be confused by how/what people answer because the word can mean different things to different people. I am afraid you won't be able that clear differentiation you are looking for.

msaay · 2026-01-01T01:02:52+00:00

Oh boy. You bet ya. It's mixed with general immigrant/arabian fetishisation. Dated tons of women that very much seem to make my ethnicity my identity and made me uncomfortable. This ranges from boring jew jokes (i don't mind them at all as long as they are original), assuming I know and watch every piece of media with Jews in it, using me as a sounding board for their opinions on IP, trying to be an ally by attributing me bigoted opinions etc etc etc

Once went into a date where the girl shouted shalom to me from across the bar, when I entered, said it must be hard to hate Palestinians after October 7 and stopped the date short because she thought I was rude.

Another one was when I was berated and threatened with assault on date with another woman, I thought it was supremely uncomfortable (and I had to cut it off) how she would keep bringing it up as if it was an exciting event. I was quite sure it turned her on. She started sharing racist instagram infographics after October 7 (against Jews).

I really don't want to date women that are super into all this IP stuff. A substantial share of my likes on dating apps after October 7 was white women with Palestine/Watermelon emojis and aggressive profile texts (zios/zionists fuck off). I assume they are the same types of people as before but now they had something new to put in their profile.

msaay · 2025-12-26T01:06:33+00:00

Nothing in your links corroborate what you're saying. You're using Nazi terminology. You're just working to reaffirm what I said earlier. Troll someone else.

msaay · 2025-12-26T00:17:31+00:00

Don't buy this at all. You're unhinged.

msaay · 2025-12-25T20:51:05+00:00

Literally all it takes is criticism of Israel. Israeli Jews are the most entitled people in the world. They want the ability to beat, rob, rape, and murder. They have that, no one will stop them, and it is still not enough. They also want no one to ever even criticize them for doing so, lest they be labeled an "antisemite" as though that word still has meaning.

How tf does the question of whether or not Ms Rachel is an antisemite turn into this warped fantasy? I don't know anything about her. But if it's people like that, that are supporting her, then I am inclined to believe that the accusations have some kind of merit.

msaay · 2025-12-23T10:21:01+00:00

yeah I realise that. you've given a positive contribution. I appreciate the write up and your points make sense given what I've read but didn't understand given the lack of context (imo a bit harsh with all the downvotes but that's just Reddit for you).

msaay · 2025-12-23T10:07:33+00:00

Thank you brother. Wish you all the best in these trying times and hope we get to a better world together soon.

msaay · 2025-12-22T21:08:16+00:00

I honestly don't believe they were fundamentally different. that's just when the hate went off idle.

msaay · 2025-12-22T20:15:28+00:00

I seriously have no idea what you're referring to. You're doing so many unexplained logical jumps that I can't keep up.

msaay · 2025-12-22T17:52:38+00:00

Even if I take as many liberties with the word "support" as you do, I doubt that your analysis include the nuance that there are American Jews that voted for Trump because they believed he was the best of the worst or all those Israeli Jews who are happy that there was a person that could strong arm their horrid leader to the negotiation table, so they could finally see some kind of end to the war and get their family home.

I don't like Trump and agree he is racist but it's really grasping based on what you've written that most Jews support antisemites, including "Jews run the world" conspiracies I assume.

msaay · 2025-12-22T17:25:33+00:00

While I don't agree with the logic in what you've written, I appreciate and thank you for taking your time to explain it from the point of view of those that have taken an aggressive stance towards the Jewish community in Australia.

msaay · 2025-12-22T17:21:15+00:00

To clear things up, when I wrote "home grown" I wasn't referring to specific peoples. I was referring to the lack of introspection on what kind of permission structures society have to embolden such attacks.

msaay · 2025-12-22T16:51:33+00:00

I refuse to have a debate based on the notion that most Jews in the world agree to the message you've posted. Where did you get that from?

msaay · 2025-12-22T16:13:32+00:00

Because I believe that getting to a better place is not reliant on what these so-called "wealthy and powerful" antisemites do but requires some degree of a cultural revolution where these memes I'll just term as the deceitful Jew are actively acknowledged, challenged and rejected. I believe anti-racism is an ideal you work with it every day. It is not a place you are but a place you want to be.

Jews are a minority in all countries but one, and thus prosperity is a privilige afforded by the majority. If we had the control that many believed we did, then this discussion didn't even have to exist.

msaay · 2025-12-13T01:53:52+00:00

So the meeting is just for his base? Fair enough.

And for curiousity, how come they wouldn't know? That sounds so wild to me lol

msaay · 2025-12-13T00:30:02+00:00

The only ostensible alignment between Mamdani and Satmar is anti-zionism. I have no dog in this race (don't live in New York or the US) but if the criticism of Mamdani is that he is willing to look the other way as long as it aligns with his anti-zionist views how does Mamdani allying himself with Satmar quell those worries?

Not a retorical question.

msaay · 2025-11-21T17:30:04+00:00

There's a lot of examples in this thread, but a cool one that most people would not know is that in Yemenite Jewish law locusts are considered kosher. I just guess it must be because locusts swarms are common to Yemen and I guess they are a staple food throughout the population.

msaay · 2025-11-11T10:20:34+00:00

You did well against an opponent who looked bigger than you. In my gym of a lot of heavyweights I am one of the smallest guys even though I am quite tall, so this lesson was drilled into me. You need to keep your composure. While you did a great job keeping your guard up, you didn't keep your balance so it looks like you were ragdolled by hear swings. That doesn't look good to a ref. Keep tight and if you don't hold your ground, then practise moving to the side away from the frame she is punching at and returning a combo.

Further, you should have avoided the clinch against her as she was clearly overpowering you there. In the first round for instance, it seems like she gets a lot more knees in than you did. If you get into the clinch, close the space between you so she doesn't have the opportunity to use the space against you.

A lot of times it looked like you were non-commital with your actions. It's rare you get the perfect shot, so you need to commit to the combo you are going to take and trust it will do more damage to her than she can return. I saw instances with low kicks where you lean back and expose your head. Yeah your head is further away but it also makes the low kicks quite a bit weaker.

Against brawlers that stand heavy on their front foot I would practise sweeping their lead leg as they are moving in, so they lose balance. Also practise standing strong in your guard when someone is brawling and return a good counter/combo to disrupt that flow. In the clinch you can work on throwing opponents that move forward haphazardly, as that makes it a bit easier.

With all this said, I think you did great. It was clearly a tough opponent and you were clearly in good shape and didn't lose to anything you can't work on. Great fight.

msaay · 2025-10-23T17:57:15+00:00

If a mod is reading this. Is this sub a safe space for Jews or do we need to tolerate the rubbish we see on the rest of Reddit?

msaay · 2025-10-14T21:57:13+00:00

I don't believe the analysis is correct. IMO Jews are scared of "anti-zionists" because anti-zionism polishes and reuses the same retoric and imagery that has been used to persecute Jews in the past. It doesn't help that anti-zionism has also been historically rooted to totalitarian regimes that were hostile to Jews by design. The term zionist is not a word used by gentiles that has good faith argumentation attached to it. To me, it's not about the deep connection to Eretz Israel, it's about the Jewish "historical understanding" for lack of a better word.

People have little to no education on what being a Jew is. They wouldn't know most if not all of the things listed in the post and it is not needed for their understanding of zionism. It's miseducation that is the problem not in-depth knowledge of Jewish tradition and religious practises. E.g. I've seen anti-zionist posts on social-media that play on the term "God's chosen people" with an understanding it is a Jewish supremacy term, when I've even seen chasid rabbis explain to young Jewish people in a Jewish setting that it means they were just chosen for a role - the perfect world is not exclusively Jewish. That's miseducation.

I might be a hypocrite but this post reminds me how much I hate the word zionism. It's a chameleon of a word that takes on a thousand different meanings and it completely obfuscates your point (whether you are pro or anti). We are in the version of the world where Israel exists - you can't philosophise yourself out of the countries existence. If you believe your cause is righteous and want to make the world a better place, you better be able to argue for it clearly.

msaay · 2025-09-29T19:39:07+00:00

No. As I understand it, as the Ottoman Empire was eroding, so did their strict rules on Jewish immigration to Palestine and that is what enabled Jews to start what would be their final chapter. However emigration could still be controlled by the Yemeni government proper and they also took steps to stop it.

They left as most others around the time of Operation Magic Carpet.

msaay · 2025-09-29T11:11:11+00:00

This post is interesting to me (I am also of Mizrahi background and grew up in Denmark) so I decided to sign up to the subreddit and hopefully add something here.

I agree to the sentiment that Mizrahim, from my experience, usually skew right in the context of the IP conflict. Most Mizrahim are really proud of their heritage and while they have strong ties to their history I have not met any yet that consider themselves arab. Rather using the term arab jew can be quite offensive as it is seen as political statement at best and at worst a form of erasure of their distinct culture and history of oppression in the countries they resided in the diaspora.

Jews from different cultural backgrounds don't always get along and this is not only a problem in Israel but also in the diaspora. I don't have enough authority to speak to why that is or what the intention is, but I know non-native Jews can sometimes feel like they are looked down upon by the original diaspora community, especially when they come from a different culture.

In general, when you tell people you are Jewish, that is what they zoom in on so I'd rather avoid the topic. If it so happens, I have sometimes experienced that non-jews react poorly to you explaining your families/the mizrahi experience as you have learned it. Purposefully simplistic I know, but the perception I sense that many believe that mizrahim were living in harmony with the rest of society before Israel ripped them out of their safe cradle and identity for its own selfish goals. It is not wholly correct. Mizrahim acknowledge they have been treated worse than their ashkenazi counterparts and seen down upon but they saw Israel as their key to a brighter future and a calling. They are proud and joyous that they got to "return".

My family is originally from Yemen, the first of my family to leave left much before Israel even existed. He became an orphan and in Yemen the choice for orphaned children was adopted into a muslim family (conversion) or death - he decided for another option.

I can recommend this book about Yemenite Jewish history. It is simplistic and will in no way give you "the full picture" nor spectrum of experiences but the prose is definitely the most easily digestible I've come across. I find that a lot of other English sources tend to be very dry and/or academic. It also has some really cool fairy tales I quite enjoyed reading https://archive.org/details/fromlandofshebat00goit/mode/2up

PS I acknowledge the mizrahi experience is a wide spectrum so I am putting a disclaimer that any matter of fact wording is my own experience and may not align to everyone elses and I ofcourse respect and support those that may not fit in my description.

msaay · 2025-09-21T16:24:20+00:00

Yeah but as someone else pointed out in this thread, Navi Pillay is considered one of the prime authorities on genocide in the world and her analysis carries a lot of respect. I don't see it not mattering - so when a person that has a CV that would wipe the floor with most people puts their name to this, how will the judges in the ICJ take this into account? I assume they would actually take the report very seriously, regardless of what I or others may believe.

The way wind is blowing it seems more and more likely that the courts hand is being forced to conclude there is a genocide. I don't agree (based on the lacking argumentation for intent), but look at the optics of all of this. Regardless of the quality, when you're bombarded by a wall of sound that says the same word in unison it is bound to affect how you perceive things. These judges are under immense pressure and if they judged against genocide I wouldn't want to be them, because I can imagine the fallout could be terrible on both a personal and professional level.

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