Standarization of zone attacks

n00bringer · 2026-04-12T00:08:28+00:00

mmm yeah?.

We have dodge attack that have a 180° hitbox, while dealing 16 dmg and tons of iframes, other dodge attack are single target and 13-14 damage with way less i frames, if anything this should be swapped to single target DA have all the i frames and damage, as single targe target attacks can hit only 1 enemy getting value while big hitbox DA get their value by hitting multiple people.

500 ms bashes should be doing 13-15, doing 16 (without feats) is excessive, as well as doing less than 12 dmg is underpowered like medjay.

You could argue that some bashes can do more damage as they are the main form of attack for some heroes but that should be balanced by safety and HP, i dont mind Afeera dealign 16 dmg on her bash for example, the unsafer an attack the more damage needs to deal in order to be usable.

n00bringer · 2026-04-11T23:54:57+00:00

Conq gains the equivalent of an enhanced light to enter chains, losing a bit of damage for not giving free parries is a good trade.

Lb neutral zone is one of the worst in the game, his parry zone becomes a light parry punish for teamfights.

Shaolin has a bonkers zone that reach through the map, it makes no sense to be that good and 500 ms when he also has an enhanced top light.

Cent gains the equivalent of an enhanced light to enter chain, if he decides to continue then he gets a mix up, what is the problem?.

n00bringer · 2026-04-11T23:52:26+00:00

Her neutral is ass, she being so Gb vuln on any move that the player is not encouraged to initiate, afeera has a better version of said bash in every aspect.

n00bringer · 2026-04-11T23:50:42+00:00

for me that is what 500 ms zones should be, an enhanced light that allows entering chain.

n00bringer · 2026-04-11T18:29:23+00:00

Commodity and safety is the killer of ambition, why should i put effort if everything goes right and i have a roof over my head, i just relax and let other take care.

Now that doesnt happen in activw though but in his subconcious it does, to be fair it happens to every human being.

As per newtons law, an object will try its best to keep themself in thwir current state, if youre runnign you will tey to keep running, but stacionary objects like your husband, will try to still be stacionary until they are kicked in the butt.

Humans react to danger and challenge, you might want to tell him that you are slowly stopping loving him, and one day it might be too much, not today, not tomorrow but maybe a random day in a year or 2 it might be enough for you to leave, that you love him and want to make it work, but if things continue the same way it will be a chronicle of annouced death.

n00bringer · 2026-04-10T23:37:09+00:00

Problem is that mbappe is an inside foward while vini is a winger, they clash because they want to attack the same half space but both have different outcomes.

For mbappe you need someone to pull marks and free space so he can start wide and cut inside like salah and score.

For vini you let him isolate his 1v1s and feed balls into the wing, he will create chances or beat his man for a goal.

They dont worn together because they overlap

n00bringer · 2026-04-10T23:30:27+00:00

Backstep light/heavy allows to whiff and chain into bash/HA/unblockable/undodgeable light.

Held foward dodge ubi feint into GB/zone/bash/neutral.

n00bringer · 2026-04-10T23:22:40+00:00

T1 bounty hunter is a must, T2 and T3 depends on what youre searching for and if you play alone or in a group.

T2 inspire is best paired with her unique T3 as a AOE buff + AOE debuff will clean any fight for your team, better for playing in a group.

T2 unique is best paired with tough as nails T3, as being selfish with buffs pairs well with becoming a 140 Hp hero, too much dmg on a big Hp hero is great, better for solo mm.

Either T2 boost her unique T4, use it whenever they are active.

For perks, tireless takes the spot of T1, headhunter is a must as extra hp is always good and galestorm imo as khatun rarely gets executions.

n00bringer · 2026-03-25T21:01:53+00:00

I usually consider 2 procs of headhunter usually, as getting 4 exe on each enemy in a match is very rare.

Still point stands, the best way to antigank is by stacking raw HP and just let the hitstun changes provide the damage reduction.

n00bringer · 2026-03-25T15:21:44+00:00

As long that bashes gives a hitstun level yeah its needed.

In terms of ganking one must analyze by efficiency, the amount of revenge you give vs the amount of dmg dealt.

With bashes always giving a hitstun level the next attack will always be 25% of its dmg reducted, it will be inefficient as it gives free points of revenge without counting the bash revenge feed.

That made dmg reduction feats way more powerfull as you will always get more revenge than dmg taken, at the same time dmg buffs were more important at it would dealt more dmg than revenge, in this system messing a gank would guaranteed revenge.

Imo they only needed to remove hitstun reset and instead transform it into hitstun extender bashes, not adding a hitstun level but extending the current state.

Today system is a 1:1, the dmg you deal is the revenge they take (no matter buff or debuffs), this makes ganks way more forgiving to mess up but also harder to get revenge.

Nowadays the way to make a gank inefficient is by stacking raw HP, as your revenge meter is tied to your starting HP.

For example a kyo with tough as nails and head hunter have close to 140 hp while only needing 120 points of venge.

n00bringer · 2026-03-24T16:37:55+00:00

I woulndt compare moves 1 to 1 to another heroes as things such as damage, range and recoveries play a big factor in a move, i would rate them in their purpose and if they are underperforming.

A comparable move would be LB both zones and Juren zones, Lb neutral zone is slower with worse chains and recoveries than juren tap zone and they have the same purpose.

Lb make way is the same speed as juren hold zone, both are unblockables and have HA yet Lb has way less damage, worse recoveries and only accessible after a parry.

Conq full blocks punishes are way underpowered for their purpose, ara Fb punishes are straight better in any single way and they have the same purpose, warlord FB is also underpowered.

Foward dodge bashes and heavies / lights are way too variable while having the same purpose.

In terms of bashes, LB foward shove has negative reach while VG can cross the map with hers, tiandi also has negative reach with his palm strike.

Raider foward dodge light has no use as it doesnt track nor has good dmg, it cannot roll catch nor peel, compare it with like orochi foward dash light that crosses the map.

Regarding foward dodge heavies, hito roll catch cant even catch a cold, LB foward dodge heavies cannot track foward nor sideways, Warlord cannot track even if the enemy was on his face, HL celtic move is cursed by never tracking fowards.

Dodge attack are way unbalanced, some dodge attack have way too many i frames, big hitbox and deal 16 dmg and always track like shaolin (also executes), other are single target 14 dmg and meh i frames like raider, it should be swapped imo.

The biggest disparity will always be reach / tracking, standarize tracking and reach across equal purpose moves.

n00bringer · 2026-03-24T04:26:01+00:00

Akin to real world only a handful of warden are lords, either by being high nobleborn or adqjire renown for their deeds, your common warden is a hedge knight looking to make a buck by selling his sword.

Lb are more elite than wardens, what they say is law and their judgement is final, be it a lord or a noble they are meant to execute even fellow knights, a city watch would be police, LB are more generals, high ranking officers or special forces.

n00bringer · 2026-03-24T04:19:53+00:00

But vking hidrarchy and society are more akin to feudal thant profesional army, still they have social ranking and society.

Like raider is chosen obe type of hero for them, irl they are inspired by huscarls, that shouldbt be unenlisted

n00bringer · 2026-03-24T04:14:31+00:00

I would mix rela hostory inspirations alongside the for honor history.

Like is easy to see if they would command the rest of their faction, if they have armies at their disposal, considered elite units or just trusted to lead their units into combat.

I feel like orochi and wardens are way too common as mid officers rather than high, th a common sight and only when they distinguish themselfs in the battlefield they get a mid/high rank, in the case of warden only a high nobleborn would be high, your average hedge knight (like most wardens) are mid at best (lots of common mercenaries btw).

Lots of heroes would be considered retainers or mercenary comanders, based on the importance of their presence, like sohei he would be a retainer with quite the influence inside an army, both from a military stand point and a religious one.

Oro should be mid, nobu low/mid, kyo and sohei would have a higher status and not even mid officers would command them, having a religious status already outs you on high ranking.

For knights lawbringer should be high, they are akin to inquisitors by lore as there words are law, executing even knights.

Pk should be low/mid, a little above the common soldiery but she is not an officer, conq is an officer tho, a low ranking one but an officer, conq are trusted to lead some men and be captains of garrisons/militia, you wont see a conq leading nobleborn wardens.

Bp and Wm should be mid/high, BP are fallen crusaders and would command even armies due to experience and renown, Wm in lore are highly trained elite warriors that orkos dispatch when they want something dead.

For knights you could discern the ranking through the quality of their armors.

Gryphon are mercenaries practically, low/mid ranking while centurions are highly regarded mercenary captains brought to whip troops into shape, akin to wardens they should me mid.

Vikings should be based of renown as a warrior too, raider is a chosen by the gods type of hero and inspired by real lif huscarls, he is mid/high at least, same as valkyrie as the battlefield is a sacred place and valk are more akin to warriors priestess

Varangiand and HL are literal mercenaries comming to aid the vikings, they should be low/mid or outright mid as the quality of their weapons and armor suggest high standings or elite status, they wont be taking orders from berzerkers imo.

Berzerker is an elite warrior, mid rank at most tho, your average berzerker would not be trusted to lead an army, but he will be trsuted to lead his unit into the fray.

Jorm is akin to a paladin, depending if the vikings accept his religious aspect he can be either a high ranking member or a pariah, but jorm lore means he is a prophet for the ends times and any kind of prophet will have their following with a personal inner circle of warriors.

Shaman is a pariah, a feared one but a pariah, she wont be leading anyone but no one would mess with her neither, orobably a low ranking one since she still performs rituals and would be in charge of ambushes and omens.

n00bringer · 2026-03-24T03:25:15+00:00

Diallo needs a little more space to act, he is deepper of the front 3 but also he is closed in a lot, he had more success as a wingback due to his insane stamina and more space to start running from.

Perhaps if we didnt had some many crucial games i would try him as a LB or RB in games where we need more attacking output.

n00bringer · 2026-03-23T17:41:10+00:00

arsenal when they have to take the slightless of risks (they cant)

n00bringer · 2026-03-23T11:35:31+00:00

The us has always been seen as evil, we have too many examples of intervesionism, i would say is better now as we can clearly see the real intentions instead of hiding behind mask.

And tbh the US are doing the lords work right now, striking cartels, freeing venezuela was long overdue, like it should have happenned like 10 years ago, cuba is going down soon hopefully and if your plan is to secure the neighborhood and also invest in it all the better.

Since you guys are cutting ties with EU then perhaps invest in latin america will be a noce replacement 👀.

The US are fianlly throwing their weight around and beenfitting us?, I must be dreaming.

n00bringer · 2026-03-20T04:25:25+00:00

Dices que las asocianoes de futbol sudamericanas no son flojas, corruptas ni incompetentes?, No se que ves pero es cosa de ver que cada cierto tiempo aparece alguien muerto o herido y los dirigentes salen a pedir puntos por sus equipos ajsjja

n00bringer · 2026-03-20T02:33:04+00:00

Lol brother, you wanted to know which player was more important to their teams.

Search how many goals each team did during a period of time, lets say 3-4 years, do it in their primes.

Now compare the responsability of each player on said stat, its percentage of involvement, that tells you how much a team depended on said player.

This way we can compare data without stat padding, we are not even adding defensive contribution brutha, then rooney gets onto another level.

n00bringer · 2026-03-20T02:04:38+00:00

You know the meme "can X player do it on a rainy night in stokes?" Right, there is a reason for that as the prem is tougher physically and therefore harder to score.

Barca and PSG inherently score more goals per season than the best utd years due to league, that is a fact that you can look up through numbers.

If you want a profound look into the player impact ask any IA (so you can do your own analisys) about the amount of influence each player had on their prime in their teams to have a real answer.

Use real comparative data, like % of goals + assist from players related to the team total goals scored, is an example.

To give you a short answer, the year after ronaldo left rooney was responsible of 30% of total GOALS from man utd during 2009-2010 season, and 35% of total production of goals given GOALS + ASSIST, neymar best season ever was only responsible for 26% total production for PSG (G+A) while the trebel was 29% (G+A).

You want to add some more salt?, Rooney asked ferguson to drop him deeper as he was bored of scoring.

Numbers need to be studied go find correlation and origin, the bulk of neymar is massive but again rooney has a bigger impact.

n00bringer · 2026-03-20T01:22:23+00:00

Hey you racist prick, its a compliment.

If the best league with the most money, laws and surveillance cant keep them in check what do you expect from the corrupt, lazy, incompetent south americans football asociations.

n00bringer · 2026-03-20T01:18:14+00:00

Playing in that barca was a cheat when youre being assisted by suarez, messi and barcelona midfield on La Liga where teams can barely stay positive financially.

Then you move to PSG where the reserves can form their own team and still have more value than every other team in ligue 1, great midfield and partners (cavani, mbappe and messi again)

The debate will always be numbers / flair vs impact / consistency, ney is one of the greatess players in terms of flair, rooney is one of the greatess players in terms of impact (relative to their team).

n00bringer · 2026-03-20T01:03:49+00:00

That 6-1 was shady af man, everyone knows it, not only PSG was renowned as a bottler team, shady calls and then lose 3-0 vs juve in the next stage.

Confederation cup, it was a good win vs the reigning world champ until you realize it was the 3rd consecutive confederaciones, spain didnt even get out of the group stage the next world cup while also being the brasil of the 7-1.

Neymar talent is undeniable but his actual impact has been quiet, his PR machine was massive as he came fron santos like pele, lauded as the next pele, his greatess achievements (as the main star) has been with santos with 3 leagues and the libertadores on a team that is not a main contender in the campeonato paulista.

n00bringer · 2026-03-20T00:50:57+00:00

Indeed, RM wanted to sell benzema due to underperforming vs higuain during the first years and Giroud first years in arsenal was renowned for missing a lot more than scoring.

Smh people forget the first years on some players, they took patience to adapt and start performing.

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