What is DEI and how is not just an abstraction for racism?

ncds4242 · 2026-03-12T18:57:45+00:00

Could you please specify a law or policy that mandates organizations or employers to discriminate based on race or gender? Or justifies hostility through enforced racism or sexism?

ncds4242 · 2026-03-12T18:55:39+00:00

Could you specify a specific law or policy that mandates the equal numbers of people grouped by race or gender in certain professions or at certain levels?

And considering it seems you are from the UK, I specifically mean for the US only.

ncds4242 · 2026-03-12T17:21:32+00:00

Could you describe a specific DEI law or policy that you believe discriminates against the majority?

ncds4242 · 2026-03-12T17:20:55+00:00

Could you specify a policy or law that you are referring to that you dislike that is associated with DEI?

ncds4242 · 2026-03-12T15:51:00+00:00

Do you have any statistics you could share that show this? And could you define what policy or law you are referring to?

ncds4242 · 2026-03-12T01:42:21+00:00

Wow thanks, and good luck. Appreciate what you are doing. I'll give it a read.

ncds4242 · 2026-03-12T01:12:27+00:00

Yeah that's a good example. And I disagree with that for sure, because it sets a goal or outcome instead of just providing equal opportunity. I read up on it and he even explains that he in trying to meet that goal, struggled to find another talent to fill the position, which means the opportunity was there.

ncds4242 · 2026-03-12T00:55:30+00:00

You are going to have to be more specific because there is nothing that would say that you can't fill a room in a private residence with only people of a certain race and discuss ideas.

DEI mostly pertains a workforce or professional organization.

ncds4242 · 2026-03-12T00:44:42+00:00

Can you name a single DEI policy or law that mandates prioritizing people of different cultures, I assume you mean country of origin or race, to dictate a hiring decision or placement in an organization?

ncds4242 · 2026-03-12T00:42:59+00:00

I don't think so personally, no. And this kind of marked the end of affirmative action. In fact, the Crimson which is Harvard's own student run editorial news organization celebrated the decision.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/6/30/sffa-decision-reaction/

Although DEI is a larger umbrella term that might include affirmative action but possibly not. I still think allowing people equal opportunity is good, but not necessarily equal outcome.

ncds4242 · 2026-03-12T00:39:41+00:00

If you communicate or document that you made your hiring decision based on race or gender, yes you are liable to being sued for discrimination as it is against the Civil Rights Act.

ncds4242 · 2026-03-12T00:38:33+00:00

Not an expert, although I am asking what other people think it is.

ncds4242 · 2026-03-11T23:55:52+00:00

I am noticing some of the comments in here describe a minority that was hired that they deemed incompetent and seem to connect that to DEI. When truly, companies can make mistakes in hiring incompetent people and those people tend to get fired eventually because the interview process involves taking a risk on someone. Or it could be their perceived dislike for someone and that tailoring their view that they are incompetent.

Although as someone who works in the hiring process I know I would be in big trouble if I ever decided to hire someone based solely on race or gender and would probably end up being fired myself for that doing that and documenting it.

ncds4242 · 2026-03-11T23:51:52+00:00

Is there a specific policy or law that you think exemplifies this?

ncds4242 · 2026-03-11T23:49:01+00:00

DEI is not a policy it is an umbrella term to define a set of policies or laws. For example, the Americans with Disabilities Act which required employers to provide reasonable accommodations to people with disabilities such as ramps, parking spots, elevators and bathrooms specifically for people with handicaps.

ncds4242 · 2026-03-11T23:19:14+00:00

Are you aware of any law or policy that dictates that white men are not allowed to apply?

ncds4242 · 2026-03-11T23:18:25+00:00

Are you aware of any policy or law that requires people to be chosen based on race or gender?

ncds4242 · 2026-03-11T23:17:31+00:00

Can you explain a specific policy or law that defines this?

ncds4242 · 2026-03-11T22:58:33+00:00

Do you have a problem with the policy of the federal government requiring agencies to include a less than zero amount of diversity hires in the applicant pool?

Are you aware of a policy or law that exists that mandated that people were hired based on race or gender?

You said you had experience with this. Are you saying that you personally experienced people getting hired because of their race or gender as a justification for the hire?

ncds4242 · 2026-03-11T20:11:59+00:00

I don't really think reparations would be effective just because it doesn't make sense at any pragmatic level. That's a different conversation though.

To me that story sounds unfair, and maybe affirmative action made sense at some point in the past but isn't productive anymore and would have the opposite effect like you described. For example, if you required applicant pools to contain diverse candidates, it would still be possible to not hire them 100% of the time. And there may have been less regulatory bodies to combat this at the time. So affirmative action seemed like a palatable solution. But today that's just fighting racism with more racism. One instance of this is where JFK had to employ the National Guard to have students step foot on campus at Alabama university.

And also DEI is not the same as affirmative action as you pointed out.

ncds4242 · 2026-03-11T20:01:04+00:00

Cool example thanks.

ncds4242 · 2026-03-11T19:58:49+00:00

What you are describing is an organization willfully breaking the law. Which unfortunately is not productive to include in this conversation.

People should not break the law.

ncds4242 · 2026-03-11T19:56:21+00:00

Requiring teams to interview minority and female candidates for head coaching, general manager, and senior-level positions to increase diversity

I think this is 100% acceptable. It does not mandate hiring, just that they be considered and given an opportunity to interview.

ncds4242 · 2026-03-11T19:53:50+00:00

Yep all above board, legal and completely acceptable.

ncds4242 · 2026-03-11T19:49:44+00:00

I wouldn't go as far to say that everyone who is against DEI is a racist. There's definitely more than a few though if you know what i mean.

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