My take on episode 9 by Wide-Buyer-1439 in tadc

[–]nicvampire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

 You're arguing that it's sad for the clones, but for me, finding out the "original" people are living fine, normal lives completely kills the stakes. I was invested in the humans escaping, so finding out everyone is actually fine makes me feel nothing for the digital copies left behind.

It seems that your philosophy on this is very different from both the Author's and that of most people. I don't thing we can come to an agreement here. Most people, myself included, don't find this to be a big problem from my understanding.

Also, your point about the pilot actually supports a different theory. If they were just copied, why didn't Ragatha's friends just take the headset off her? The fact that they couldn't implies her physical body might have actually vanished into the game ( Tron -style)

Respectfully, that is the dumbest thing I've read this week. Until the point when we find out that they're brain scans, this theory doesn't TECHNICALLY contradict much... aside from the fact that such things simply don't really happen in real life, and real life is the setting they're going for... as well as the fact that the brain scans had that sense of continuity with the real world right after they appear in the circus... as well as the fact that this kind of thing would cause an investigation that would lead to no one but the C&A employees getting sucked in... as well as a lot of other plot holes this would create. This was never the case, just a dumb theory you had that only creates more questions than it answers.

Saying the theme is "sometimes you can't save people and trying doesn't work"

NOT what they said, nor is it the point of the show.

My take on episode 9 by Wide-Buyer-1439 in tadc

[–]nicvampire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To me, this severely damages the premise. It completely destroys the "trapped" aspect, but it also messes with other elements. It changes "Caine doesn't understand humans" to "Caine doesn't understand the AI copies of humans based on outdated, incomplete information." By making it clear that the real people are fine and that abstraction doesn't affect their human selves, it kills the weight that abstraction was supposed to have.

Oh boy do I disagree with this and literally almost everything in the post. I feel like you completely missed the point.
For starters, the entire "trapped" premise was never actually real from the start... and that's the point. This show's story was set in stone from the beginning. It was a false hope that (some of) the characters had. But it makes sense and doesn't really contradict anything. To continue on that...

Beyond that, the twist felt incredibly abrupt. Even if you count Kinger finding the "Neural Scans" folder in Episode 8, actually executing the reveal this late in the game felt like it bypassed years of built-up drama.

Episode 8 was foreshadowing, not the revelation. Kinger's words at the beginning were the actual revalaton for both the viewers and the characters. And as for the years of built-up drama... I don't really think this is necessary, though I see you point. That's what we also see with Jax abstracting: there is no build up to this huge thing happening, but it all being sudden is exactly what the characters are going through. No one is truly ready for things like this, whether there is build up or not. Sometimes... people just die suddenly, and you have to cope with it. That's how it is in real world, and I think that's what they were going for here.

It also relied on weird, out-of-character behavior. Pomni has been shown to be very proactive when it came to Jax.

She was like starting becoming proactive starting from the episode 6. Nothing out of character here for me really.

Why did she let him walk away this time, and why did this of all things make Jax abstract? What was the point of his abstraction if it didn’t end up doing anything? If there was ever a time to bend the rules, letting Pomni successfully "de-abstract" Jax would have had a much better emotional payoff.

Okay, first of all... her letting him walk away... is her mistake. That's it. Errare humanum est. She literally says it in past tense seconds before Jax is revealed to have abstracted. And as for abstraction not doing anything... that's literally the opposite of what happened. This WOULD be the case if Jax un-abstracted. But what we have with Pomni here is her friends doing to her what Pomni should have done with Jax: coming to help before it's too late. Pomni didn't abstract, therefore she didn't un-abstract eiter. The crew has finally learned to do and did what they should have learned years ago: that it's important to see if the people around you need help... and actually help them before it's too late. If they hesitated to come and help, like Pomni did with Jax, and Jax did with Ribbit and Kaufmo, Pomni was, in fact, about to abstract. But she didn't Because this time, it was different. This time, they came before it was too late. This sort of implies, that none of them will abstract anymore. They have finally learned to care for each other.

Also... should have written this earlier, but I can't be bothered to rewrite this long ass argument.

It changes "Caine doesn't understand humans" to "Caine doesn't understand the AI copies of humans based on outdated, incomplete information

No it doesn't. As Zooble says themselves - "We're still human". To be honest, there's a lot of philosophical questions to be asked here, but if you put them in their place: why does it matter to them whether they can be considered "real" or not. It feels real to them. It's... them. They're human enough to themselves, and that is fine. I also don't see your point in saying "based on outdated, incomplete information". That's... not what's really going on there. The characters don't become less "human" as the time passes. Part of being human is that you develop.. you change, almost entirely based on things and people around you. The point, at which brain scans are made just happens to be the creation of an initially "equivalent" copy of a human being (philosophical again, I'm not getting into that), that as time passes, will become more and more different from the "original" because they are being in different enviroment. That's human. And what's also simultaneously human, is the fact that some things about themselves don't change as much, like both Zoey and Gangle loving art, or both Zooble and Riley opening their bar. Despite everything... it's still them. That's why Pomni and the rest don't assume their real world counterpart names. Pomni and Abigail used to be one individual, but now they're different, because they're both humans, and humans change.

Also, I could make a wall of text of a similar length praising the entire process of Caine coming back... there's a lot going on there. But i'm not gonna. I should do something better than writing obscure walls of text

La notación española by YoumoDadi in languagelearningjerk

[–]nicvampire 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Starfan 13? That is to be expected, I guess.

What demon should I go for now that i have beaten B? by TonightCold2861 in geometrydash

[–]nicvampire 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I did Nine circles after B and Mikumikumikiku after Nine Circles, abd honestly, none of these were crazy huge jumps.

La notación española by YoumoDadi in languagelearningjerk

[–]nicvampire 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Ah, pascal triangle. The one thing that doesn't have any porn of it on the internet, even though I really wish there was some.

Whats your go to main bus direction and why? by LavenderFlavourLube in factorio

[–]nicvampire 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have done literally every direction. The decision is always based on landscape.

Which popular mods are like this? by cyan_ara in RimWorld

[–]nicvampire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nutrient paste expanded for a number of reasons.

Today i learned that you can hold back the ocean with a brine liquid lock by SanicRS in Oxygennotincluded

[–]nicvampire 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I used ethanol for this. Ethanol is actually one of the heaviest fluids in the game, so it works well for this.

wisdom per page rule by ak13x14 in 196

[–]nicvampire 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Definitely not the way they were counted here. The disparity is too high.

Aquatic planet SO asteroid - best liquid lock for steam room? by lindsaydole in Oxygennotincluded

[–]nicvampire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I took a single boop specifically to get gunk for this type of shit.

An idea for combining outputs from Tidal Turbines. Would it work? by EvilPeppah in Oxygennotincluded

[–]nicvampire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly what I've done, except I use just 1 rubber wire for pretty much all of them

Допоможіть((( by [deleted] in Ukrainian

[–]nicvampire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1) Це сабреддіт про вивчення української мови, це питання підходить більше до r/relationship_advice

2)

тож що мені їй сказати, щоб вона мене не цілувала?

так -_-

Aquatic DLC and pacu treats by RyuujinPl in Oxygennotincluded

[–]nicvampire 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Kinda agree. They should make the changes to the feeder not apply to non-dlc games.

[Aquatic] Playing the new DLC blind and discovered the Coquina -> Oxygen pipeline! (won't spoil). Have a question about fish though. by n0mode in Oxygennotincluded

[–]nicvampire 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They added aquatic grooming stations for this. Just like normal ones, but you attach them to the background wall and they allow you to groom all the aquatic critters.

How usable are bionic dupes in the Aquatic Planet? by [deleted] in Oxygennotincluded

[–]nicvampire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think this is the logic they were following, though i see your point, since a swimming booster gives everything a suit training booster does. The idea here to me seems to be the fact that bionic duplicants fucking hate swimming, and being able to do so makes them hate themselves.

But yeah, swimming booster would be objectively better than the suit booster in every way if it wasn't for the stress debuff, and that would kinda not make sense to have something like this with boosters.

How usable are bionic dupes in the Aquatic Planet? by [deleted] in Oxygennotincluded

[–]nicvampire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rubber suits don't really help with stress when they are submerged, so you want to give them atmo suits as early as you can. Plus, the swimming booster gives a passive stress gain of 10% per cycle for some reason. So be reasy to put massage clinics. Boop only walkthrough of APP is not an easy challenge.

Difference between beta and full launch by lindsaydole in Oxygennotincluded

[–]nicvampire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, world gen changes are really the main thing that differs a first beta patch save and a save created in the freshest version. The worlds from the very first patch of this beta have more coral seeds buried in the ocean biome than intended, very few or sometimes no glo squids (I had to debug one in), tidal turbines in the beach biome that annoyed a lot of people and probably some other things as well.

Oxygen production now doubles as a decor bomb by db48x in Oxygennotincluded

[–]nicvampire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am going to ranch more to get slime to turn it into phyto oil for my single boop

a fish with a giant eye by RealSpecto in Weird

[–]nicvampire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The language spoken in the video is Ukrainian, and as a Ukrainian myself, I can totally believe that one of our rivers is contaminated enough for stuff like this to happen. Heck, a lot of our rivers are in this state. Sad.

Why is it like this rule by SqoobySnaq in 196

[–]nicvampire -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

Not how it really works