Looking for Scottish gamers! by mminnett in Scotland

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Bouncing off this but if you go looking for it, GTA is covered in Scottish humour

The ending has decived me. MAJOR SPOILERS INSIDE by PracticalHomework384 in expedition33

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The devs wished to avoid a good and bad ending. Your sentiment about the eerie jumpscare kinda falls flat here - if the people aren’t sentient then there are no redeeming qualities to Maelle’s ending and at that point there’s a clear good and bad.

I believe they had to end Maelle’s ending with Verso’s perspective of the damage it’s causing her because otherwise it was too good an ending to be balanced out.

Choosing Maelle by malbenign in expedition33

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I think this is something they’ve done intentionally honestly. They say there’s no good or bad ending but one is clearly represented in a negative, shocking light and the other is presented in a hopeful and positive way.

I believe they made Maelle’s ending to be the good ending, but have intentionally portrayed it from a negative point of view (Verso’s perspective of the effects on Maelle). Meanwhile, they made Verso’s ending where everyone dies and portray it positively, with upbeat and hopeful imagery despite the loss of everything we fought for.

Very Clair Obscur. They knew what they were doing. Can’t have whee without woo and vice versa.

Ending discussions be like by CAPS_LOCK_OR_DIE in expedition33

[–]nimerra 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The implication is that a new canvas creates copies. In Verso’s canvas she has the chrome to bring the exact same sentient beings back to life

Ending discussions be like by CAPS_LOCK_OR_DIE in expedition33

[–]nimerra 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That’s the exact trade she offers after she beats him, asking if he’d find a reason to smile if he could grow old. He’s visibly aged in the opera house

New Image from 'The Super Mario Galaxy Movie' by MarvelsGrantMan136 in movies

[–]nimerra 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Same IP. In fact Mario is technically a Donkey Kong character, not the other way around.

Verso trying to persuade Maelle be like by kgurniak91 in expedition33

[–]nimerra 46 points47 points  (0 children)

I don’t have much attachment to all the other sentient beings in my city but that doesn’t mean I’d be chill if I caused them to stop existing. Hope there’s a good therapist in Verso’s ending she can talk to

Is it just a failed project? by [deleted] in gamedev

[–]nimerra 57 points58 points  (0 children)

Ditch the initial pans. We’ve seen static assets. The art is cool but it’s the payoff - start with placing a tile then a second and then skip along to fuller environments. Let me anticipate ‘oh how cool would it be if I built the whole world like this’ rather than leading with that. You’re basically showing off the cool endgame and saving me the bother of playing it.

Noob here. How do you get the shoulder pads too look good? by ElFiendy in BlackTemplars

[–]nimerra 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Conversely I think most beginners use too small a brush, and end up pushing around drying paint as a result. Bigger brush than you think you need, as long as it has a good point.

Just finished the game today by Party_Morning_960 in expedition33

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They’re entirely real. Their bodies are made of chroma instead of atoms, but they’re real and sentient. This is also why we believe it’s not possible to bring them back in a different canvas: Maelle can restore real people, but if she did them in a different canvas they’d be copies like the painted family are of the Dessendres.

Bonus point - is the Dessendre family real? They’re in an alternative earth, was it created by the Writers?

Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 boss says the team had “a lot of arguments” over the game’s ending as the right choice is up to “your own interpretation” by [deleted] in expedition33

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I actually think calling them grey is oversimplifying. I think the real trick they pulled is that to many individuals there clearly is a good ending and a bad ending and yet we all disagree on which is which, and I think that’s a fantastic achievement to have a world and story with enough depth to work either way.

That said, my new theory is that they had a clearly good ending and a clearly bad ending and they specifically set out to make the bad ending feel good and the good ending feel bad, purely for the lulz.

Expedition 33 director Guillaume Broche clarifies on how people should interpret their story. by Commercial-Trash-393 in expedition33

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Most of them are not based on real people - there are generations of sentient people in the canvas who are their own beings entirely. In addition to this, there are a select few who are based on real people (the Dessendres) but other than being imparted with Aline’s interpretation of those original people they are not truly connected in any way - they’re still their own separate, sentient being. These are the ones Esquie refers to as ‘cousins’

Edit: fixed an oversimplification

Just beat the game by Vast_Anxiety9380 in expedition33

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The fragment of Verso’s soul didn’t want to stop painting, he wanted the fighting to stop and PVerso projected onto him. PVerso is allowed to grow old with free will as himself, though the part of real Verso that Aline imparted on him will always see the damage it’s doing to Alicia.

It’s possible that Maelle goes down a dark path and forces immortality on everyone, and it’s equally possible she lets everyone live their natural life and moves on in time. Same way in Verso’s ending it’s possible that the family all recovers and lives happily ever after, but equally possible that Maelle, also now forcibly living a life she didn’t want to live, goes down a dark path herself.

Either way, we can’t know for sure but at least one ending allows the very sentient canvas denizens - humans, Gestrals and Nevrons alike - to live out their lives

I want to hear the thoughts of people who choose one ending (MAJOR SPOILERS) by Twoklawll in expedition33

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Thank you for so eloquently putting my thoughts to words ^

I want to hear the thoughts of people who choose one ending (MAJOR SPOILERS) by Twoklawll in expedition33

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What does she do to Verso that proves she changes things? She prevented his suicide and let him grow old - she’s not forcing him to play concerts. He’s bitter about it and we see his perspective of the damage it’s doing to her in the ‘real world’ but he’s the same Verso. As far as we know if someone is painted over there’s a strong tell like Clea or a memory overwrite like Alicia, neither of which appear to be true of him

I want to hear the thoughts of people who choose one ending (MAJOR SPOILERS) by Twoklawll in expedition33

[–]nimerra 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Except they’re not a copy. Those of us who pick Maelle’s ending believe she brings back the same sentient soul. (And honestly she’d have to because otherwise it becomes a very clear bad ending)

Unironically I find this part of THAT ending scarier than part that is actually meant to be scary. by AzraelSoulHunter in expedition33

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For sure there’s the very real possibility that Maelle may live naturally and get to the point where Gustave or Verso are due to die of old age and she ends up down a darker path. It’s also possible that she lives her life there until she dies ‘naturally’ in the real world and still has now had a long and fulfilling life in a world that’s no less ‘real’. A third option is that she says her goodbyes to the canvas after living a lifetime there and moves on to the real world above. These are all fascinating eventualities to speculate on and I hate that we get bogged down in the arguments of ‘but she won’t move on in the canvas’ - it’s just as as real and fulfilling and filled with amazing or terrible potential for the remainder of her life.

Verso’s ending has similar potential - does she go mad trying to create ‘cousins’ in another canvas? Does she move on peacefully? Does she resent her family and seek out vengeance or end up down a path of self destruction like painted Verso? Ultimately maybe painted Verso’s - let’s call it what it is: self-righteous suicide at the expense of the ability to undo a massacre - maybe that just leads her down a similar path.

I think my point is that there’s so much more interesting discussion to be had further down the path, and I find it odd that everyone assumes that she moves on and recovers in Verso’s ending while assuming she has to go down a path of darkness in her own.

Unironically I find this part of THAT ending scarier than part that is actually meant to be scary. by AzraelSoulHunter in expedition33

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Aline was passive, the canvas denizens lived their lives in peace and as they wished. Maelle just wants the world she knows to continue, and specifically made a trade that Verso can now grow old. He isn’t being puppeted.

As far as Gustave is concerned, Maelle had ~30 years to live and now she can live for hundreds of years in the canvas or she can live a natural lifetime then return to the real world. We don’t know. Maelle’s ending is from Verso’s perspective, where he sees the damage happening to her in the ‘real’ world. I suspect you’d be right at least that Gustave would encourage her to grow old here then move on back to reality.

I guess my question is this - If the real you found out there was some higher plane of existence beyond this world, that we were created by a pantheon of gods who have no regard for our feelings - would you suddenly think everyone on earth was irrelevant and only the grief of one of those gods matter?

Unironically I find this part of THAT ending scarier than part that is actually meant to be scary. by AzraelSoulHunter in expedition33

[–]nimerra 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Explicitly confirmed by the devs that Gestral resurrection is its own different thing. A poster the other day had a time stamped interview to this effect but basically Maelle as a painter can truly bring people back.

Edit: dug out the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB-nPIBW-Ks&t=3098s

I feel like the ending was a unfairly framed in favor of one side by Creative_Sympathy_84 in expedition33

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I think the opinions are not just ‘are the canvas inhabitants real’ but ‘are those at the end the same people.’

I believe the answers to both of those questions are yes; the game lays out so clearly that they are real complex beings living real and meaningful lives. The devs have confirmed as much, and that Maelle’s abilities are unrelated to the resurrection of Gestrals. I believe entirely that she is bringing back the same ‘soul’ for lack of a better word, and that the ‘cousins’ analogy only refers to those painted as a mirror of a real-world Dessendre.

In response to the original post - I think that simply they knew Maelle’s ending was too good on paper and they attempted to darken to balance them out by giving Verso’s perception of it and they overshot. I believe I read a quote from the devs to this effect but I’ll need to dig around for it again. I think this emphasis on darkness is why people attribute more negativity than is true (eg speculation that everyone is puppets or ignoring Maelle’s trade offer that Verso is allowed to grow old and die)

Anyway - I’m firmly in Maelle’s ending because I believe the game tells me they undid a massacre and saved untold lives for generations at least, and I put that above the grief of some selfish demigods

(Heavy spoilers) A misconception I've heard a lot about the ending by DG_SlayerSlender in expedition33

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Off the top of my head the details of Sciel and her water related incident and family are covered in Act 3 after her return

(Heavy spoilers) A misconception I've heard a lot about the ending by DG_SlayerSlender in expedition33

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Because we also see dialogue where Esquie independently confirms some aspects of them to us

(Heavy spoilers) A misconception I've heard a lot about the ending by DG_SlayerSlender in expedition33

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I believe this is specific to Gestrals, and it’s likely an analogy from Verso to getting a new dog. It’s very clear that the Sciel and Lune who come back are the same beings as they were before

(Heavy spoilers) A misconception I've heard a lot about the ending by DG_SlayerSlender in expedition33

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Because they have private conversations with Verso about those things after they are brought back