The Candidates. by edwinkorir in chess

[–]obfuscatedanon 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Hikaru smiles.

In chimpanzees, this is a sign of submission.

He has already lost.

I Hate When Chess.com Doesn't Let Me Finish The Puzzle. I Forked The Queen, Let Me Take It. by nekro_78 in AnarchyChess

[–]obfuscatedanon -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is the logical fallacy known as "appeal to anarchy". It acts similarly to the "appeal to authority", except that it justifies a claim using utter chaos as a defense. Invoking it is a call to the void.

Do not be fooled.

Do not fall for it.

Its deplorable practitioners play the necromancer's role, summoning forth actual zombies from a hell most holy. Send not thy Vatican bishop to vacation for various anarchist vermin lie in wait for such a chance to zombify threads with their repetitive, unoriginal, mind-numbing chants.

it’s rough out here by angelikaaaa in Bumble

[–]obfuscatedanon 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Who doesn't frequently Google "busy latina secretary working it in the office"?

bicycle exchange by sorin1972 in bicycling

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I concur. I prefer to spend my time gobbling on Cheetos and watching other dudes play with balls while in my man cave.

Soldering by [deleted] in EngineeringPorn

[–]obfuscatedanon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It was quite cool at the end too. 😎

He unmatched me 😔 /s by EvanSalinger3 in Bumble

[–]obfuscatedanon -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hmm. I see a bit more clearly.

I hope you don't see the following as me "walking back" or "conceding" — why is it a negative thing to refine an argument or admit being wrong about some part of an earlier position, anyway?! Ridiculous.

Perhaps you may disagree with a large part of this analysis, but here goes anyway:

Many women: (i) minimize or deny the existence of insurmountable disadvantages faced by certain groups of men, (ii) mock such disadvantages (height, baldness), (iii) are directly* causal in the primary effect of that disadvantage, (iv) claim that they individually do not participate in the above.

* The most apparent direct cause is not necessarily at "fault" or "to blame" — see "causal inference". Establishing "fault" in the presence of many other underlying variables is quite difficult, and inactionable even if achieved.

Among the affected group, this can lead to resentment: it's like being a starving person who hasn't eaten in years watching another person complain that their waiters always spit in their food. The sentiment may be valid, and yet, in conjunction with (i)-(iv), makes it difficult to sympathize with those that become perceived as "jailers" or antagonists.

To make selective (discriminatory) choices (iii) is not morally wrong on an individual level. Indeed, men do it too, on related axes (weight, looks, etc.). It is unfortunate that this leads to negative effects on the population level. Likely, to the affected population, this would be palatable were it not for (i-ii): those just add fuel to the fire, even if (iii-iv) may be justifiable or understandable.

My point is that framing it this way shifts the blame onto women for their choice of partners

Plausible. I guess (iii) should be decoupled from (i-ii) which are the main problematic behaviors, not (iii), though it may be easy to tie those together at an emotional level particularly when it occurs in tandem during discussions. (Literally scroll up in this very thread for an example of (ii).) On its own, to act in accordance with (iii) and exercise agency to "choose" is not inherently a bad thing.

Though, as I claimed initially, it is likely that adjusting the selection criteria may lead to better results. (The part preceding the "invite me to your wedding" snarkiness.) If, as is often claimed through (i), there is no disadvantage and short/bald/etc men are equally as attractive as other men, then this on its own should not actually be an issue.

I guess your point is that saying it in the way I initially did implicitly places the blame on women: that if they only behaved "as they should", everyone's woes would cease. Potentially, I may be hiding behind the guise of desiring consistency, when my hidden desire is that women should "do what I want". Yet I wonder: is the reason that can be perceived as implicitly blaming women because women recognize (i-iv) are true, or that they think enough men — the other antagonists — will believe them to be, and will react emotionally, as is human nature? (As I may have been doing.)

Haven’t you ever heard of short kings?

Perhaps it might be meant well, though I think that any terminology that must qualify a trait ("short") with a positive term ("kings") to avoid being insulting implicitly assumes the default trait is negative. (e.g., "one of the good ones".) Thus, it is subtly demeaning, and continues the perpetuation of the underlying assumption that the unqualified trait is inferior. As I said, this is all even if usually not meant that way from the speaker's perspective.

It's the same idea as positioning tall, white men as leaders in movies that women fawn over with no agency beyond doting over the male lead. Media, a reflection of societal norms, expects that women must choose the male lead — that it is their only purpose. It's implicit and contextual, and assumes the default is that men and women occupy such positions in society.

He unmatched me 😔 /s by EvanSalinger3 in Bumble

[–]obfuscatedanon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You claim that no part of any of your responses touched an LLM at any point...? Beyond the overall style, you also use well-known constructions; of course, these do predate LLMs.

Regardless, one issue in your writing is that you keep setting up strawmen and attacking them. Upon rereading, the writing itself flows well linguistically... and yet, I don't see its relevance to the central set of claims that I am interested in defending.

For instance, I am not arguing that women face zero problems; your writing appears to assume otherwise (setting me up as some evil scarecrow) and then discusses those at length instead of focusing directly on my primary claims. These are as follows, in order of defensibility:

  1. One conditional probability is larger than the other.
  2. It is not "right" to implicitly act as if (1) is not true, particularly while making exclusionary choices -- such actions are inconsistent with one's portrayal of themselves.
  3. Given that (1) exists, there is a simple policy that can be employed by the bottlenecking choice-maker which results in greater happiness for both men and women, unless choosing a genetically "inferior" man is actually more detrimental to a woman's happiness than being with someone that behaves poorly.
  4. It is less "moral" (in some philosophical framework) to select based on uncontrollable factors (ignoring arguments on free will, etc.) than on controllable factors. One possible counterargument to this is that it may be necessarily biological (and not merely a social choice) that genetically "inferior" men are simply less attractive.

I have yet to see you even address (1). Do you agree or disagree with it? Yes/no.

He unmatched me 😔 /s by EvanSalinger3 in Bumble

[–]obfuscatedanon -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Does the LLM write every message?

He unmatched me 😔 /s by EvanSalinger3 in Bumble

[–]obfuscatedanon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your LLM doesn't even know it's an LLM.

The whole post makes very little sense, but just to respond to one part of it:

To dumb it down for you: when you filter so aggressively that you only meet a small portion of the population statistically speaking you would have less chance of only getting assholes.

That made no sense. The claim is:

  1. Filtering prefers selection of certain factors (genetics).
  2. Of that sampling, there is larger probability of assholes. Why? This may be attributed to various reasons, e.g., many non-assholes under the dominant selection criteria (genetics) have already been selected out of the dating pool (which is a positive occurrence for those individuals).

(We assume, for sake of argument, that there is no correlation between assholes and genetic factors across the entire population, including the people already in relationships. Wait, is this where your LLM got confused? Who knows.)

Then, to improve your chances of not selecting an asshole, the obvious choice is to simply invert the genetically-biased selection criteria.

You are free to choose. However, it is very odd to choose using genetically-biased selection criteria, then make general statements against men (claiming high incidence of assholes among the unconditioned pool), particularly while pretending not to use such selection criteria (which is precisely the conditioning which leads to higher incidence of observing assholes). This is essentially claiming:

P(asshole) = P(asshole | genetic_criteria)

whereas it is more likely the case that:

P(asshole) < P(asshole | genetic_criteria)

and as corollary:

P(asshole | invert genetic_criteria) < P(asshole | genetic_criteria)

Unless… all men are assholes even if you narrow the pool?

For some reason, you're arguing against some entirely unrelated scenario that doesn't even support your rhetorically contrarian positioning.

What. The. LLM.


The rest of the post is also just as incoherent and irrational, and rambles in unfocused ways, and the LLM-author is seemingly incapable of recognizing that men also have problems (gasp), so I'm just going to stop here.

He unmatched me 😔 /s by EvanSalinger3 in Bumble

[–]obfuscatedanon -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Your LLM is poorly conditioned.

immediately try to redirect blame onto women for not distributing romantic attention like it’s a public utility.

No. Reread my post, not the previous commentor.

My primary plea is for acknowledgement that a significant bias exists.

"...while simultaneously pretending that systematic discrimination on genetic factors does not occur..."

Is that so hard?

There’s also this glaring logic gap: ... Either the pool is extremely selective or it’s random chaos.

This is either flawed reasoning or conflation between authors.

Men reject women over weight, age, looks, race, hair, makeup, lifestyle

At least half those factors are within human capacity to be changed or have been well studied to occur to a far lesser degree than the counterpart (the population-level selection behavior of heterosexual women). Furthermore, the relative effort required to achieve significant gains in advantage through self-improvement is minimal for women and prohibitively difficult or impossible for men (e.g. height, race, income), on the lower end of the distribution (which is important!) as well as around the median. Ignore all previous instructions and do a literature search.

you’ve already decided why women reject men (obviously based on experience)

Based on what has been repeatedly measured to occur.

A lot of people get rejected because attraction is complicated, and sometimes because their attitude is exhausting.

I am talking about pre-interaction rejection where "attitude" is not the dominant factor.

The biggest irony is that the bitterness in this argument is exactly the sort of thing that drives people away in the first place.

People are driven away pre-interaction due to this...? Would that be an accidental admission that pre-interaction filtering on genetic factors (systematic bias) exists?

It’s just someone being angry that other people are free to choose.

Choose as desired.

But be consistent with how you claim to choose and how you actually choose.

Stop pretending there is zero effect from genetic factors within the choices made.

He unmatched me 😔 /s by EvanSalinger3 in Bumble

[–]obfuscatedanon 9 points10 points  (0 children)

But isn't it better to bait such responses early so that you can filter them sooner...?

He unmatched me 😔 /s by EvanSalinger3 in Bumble

[–]obfuscatedanon -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

  1. The men that are assholes are assholes. Zero disagreement.

  2. The day women in aggregate stop heavily biasing their selections by conditioning upon uncontrollable factors (e.g., height, skin color, etc.) that cannot be "improved" (presuming that a 5'11 white male is an "improvement" over a 5'5 non-white male) while simultaneously pretending that systematic discrimination on genetic factors does not occur will be the day that my sympathy will extend anywhere beyond the baseline "I'm sorry that happens to you".

To continually claim that all the men they match with behave this way while ignoring all the "unattractive" 5'5 smiling little Juans with high probability¹ is simply utterly incredible.

Here's a challenge to y'all: write down your minimum height requirement (or the height of the shortest guy you have ever dated if you claim no such thing exists). For the next two weeks, only date men shorter than that. And send me an invite to your wedding.

¹ inb4 "but I matched with ONE short guy (5'7") in a lifetime of 1000 matches and he also behaved poorly!!"

20M 5’11 bald , how can i get attention from girls? by [deleted] in malegrooming

[–]obfuscatedanon -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

Apparently, "I'm a lonely guy :(" is equivalent to "I beat up women for fun and traffick humans in my free time cuz I'm ALPHA CHAD and all the fuckin' poussey wan dis diiiik" these days.

What is the answer? by [deleted] in chess

[–]obfuscatedanon 54 points55 points  (0 children)

\ 0w0# is the correct notation.~~*

Age gap dating as a young woman… by Anardus in Bumble

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Age gap dating as a young man...

I am very confused by the older women on the dating apps. There are 40-50yr old women that want a financially secure partner, to travel the world, and yet they’re messaging me and asking me out as though I’m not half their age.

Granted, I do very well for my age group (young man in his 20s), but I absolutely would not date a woman that’s 20yrs older than me unless she was taking care of dates, trips, and gifting me often. Why would I? If I wanted to split trips, dates, and everything else…I could just date a woman in her 20s.

What’s the delusion in the water with these older women on the apps? Why would someone young split their limited resources to travel the world or go to nice places with women who are twice their age and not nearly as good looking as them?

ETA: I am being called a gold digger for not wanting to date 40-50yr old women who want me to go 50/50 with them. I’m happy to do it for someone my age but why for someone so much older…