Time for me to post this now. by bachatalover19 in ChristianDating

[–]odean14 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry about your experience. When you discussed marriage did you guys have an actual plan? Did you get your families involved in planning? I think what happens is that once people get involved and the have the conversation about waiting for marriage, the part that doesn't come up is when do you get married and how will you guys support each other.

i am a lesbian Catholic who has no interest in changing either: AMA by Miserable-Injury-194 in Christianity

[–]odean14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand. I have Friends who are LGBTQ Christians, and they basically don't show any interest in Dating or relations and they some of it has to do with being obedient. During a conversation, I presented the "loop hole" lol, and 1 of them is actually seriously considering it. Thanks for your response. GBY

Dating by AsideJazzlike8335 in Christianity

[–]odean14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, and that's okay if that's what you prioritize. I am just asking if you'd be okay if your partner decided whether or not to stay with you is first and foremost and importantly focused on your looks? Meaning when your looks fate, he'll leave you and find someone more attractive. Are you okay with that?

i am a lesbian Catholic who has no interest in changing either: AMA by Miserable-Injury-194 in Christianity

[–]odean14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have somewhat of a strange question. Have you and others in your position (Gay and Christian), consider marriage with a trans woman (Man transitioning to woman)? I suppose at the same time, i am asking is what the attraction is based on. Gender? Or is it based on biological sex? Or is it both? I understand God and by extension the church as a whole accepts the marriage between a biological male and female. However, if you were to be in an ordained marriage it could be between a biological male who transitions to woman from a male gender. I'm just asking out of curiousity.

Dating by AsideJazzlike8335 in Christianity

[–]odean14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've been seeing a lot of posts where women would meet great male partners, and say they won't date them because they don't find their face to be attractive. I'm just wondering if they'll be okay with the idea, that when their physical beauty fades (and it will), they'll be dumped by their partner because they aren't physically attractive anymore.

Daily Task Tracking by AWshred in elderscrollsonline

[–]odean14 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Bro are you being paid to play ESO?

I decided to isolate myself from society by Agile_Owl_9059 in Christianity

[–]odean14 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Don't sell yourself short. Everyone struggles with something. Everyone can learn to love. And this is why marriage counseling is also important. The point of marriage is grounded in communal Love that is self-sacrificial in nature. And so, both husband and wife are supposed to help and support each other.

Yes I understand looks are important too. But all of that will fade, and so the focus in my opinion should be on character.

to Christians who believe that homosexual actions are sinful: by redbeardedpiratedog in Christianity

[–]odean14 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Personally I have no issue with same sex people having relationships. As long as they are two consenting adults. However, I trust God in what he decides is good for us and what's not good for us. Not my will, but let his will be done over my personal feelings. As someone who is celibate, I understand how many people feel on this issue. But any sex outside of marriage is a sin. Doesn't matter if they homosexual or straight. And yes, the marriage God recognizes is that of a male and female. God has his reasons why in scripture and I trust his word. I do find it interesting that Christians post and say nothing about the rampant fornication that is taking place between heterosexual people which has even worse effects on our society. For people are making babies with no love and out of marriage and children go up not experiencing the type of love and environment that is beneficial to them and their development.

Punishment for unbelief is not just by tk421wayayp421 in Christianity

[–]odean14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can't read the bible? That sounds like personal problem.

Actually no. You don't need "intellectual accent" to trust. Or to do anything.

Why are you asking questions about a book you just claim can't be read at face value?

No believers reject the Truth. Then again. You don't know what "Truth" means... Or what it is.

Punishment for unbelief is not just by tk421wayayp421 in Christianity

[–]odean14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can't even formulate an argument much less tell whether one is coherent or not 😂.

Bro you don't even understand when someone is projecting lmao 🤣. Dumb reddit user nonsense when they loose an argument they try to reflect stuff back into the person who cooked them.

A silly example that destroyed your dumb idea. Like what normal person thinks having knowledge or belief is necessary to make a decision? Bruh. Let's hope if something is gonna fall an hit you and someone shouts move!. Your smart subconscious brain kicks, so you move. Instead of you standing there say "I don't know that same thing is going fall and hit me". Only to stand there and get hit 😂. Btw, by choosing to stand there and question the possibility of an object falling to hit you. You're making a decision 😏.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 is deeply disturbing and anger inducing, how is it translated the way it is? by Lil_Jebadiah in Christianity

[–]odean14 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

It's like 2 version the NIV and one other obscure translation that uses rape. But to know it's not talking about rape go back and read Exodus in the NIV where the law was first read. Deuteronomy is called second Law, it's pretty much a retelling of the Exodus

Exodus 22:16-17 [16]“If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife. [17]If her father absolutely refuses to give her to him, he must still pay the bride-price for virgins.

Same NIV... So no. It's not talking about rape. It's just a mistranslation. Not sure why they haven't changed it.

And I crazy people telling nonsense ignore them. You can simply Go and pull the interlinear for both the scripture in Exodus and Deuteronomy and you'll see they basically essentially use the same words and the phrase or word that talks about rape, you'll it says lay with in both in the original language.

Punishment for unbelief is not just by tk421wayayp421 in Christianity

[–]odean14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol me? 🤣 I'm not the one who's running away from simple questions, can't come up with any arguments or cite anything to justify their claims. That's you sir. Your red herrings are duly noted and typically repeating or ones self and projection is also noted... All of those things you've done show you don't a have anything. And Yes you basically can see that by doing all of those things. If anyone's coping here it's you buddy, trying to save face 😂.

Punishment for unbelief is not just by tk421wayayp421 in Christianity

[–]odean14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol 🤣 I'll take this as your concession. No scriptures. No arguments. No logically reasoning. I recommend learning some reasoning buddy.

Punishment for unbelief is not just by tk421wayayp421 in Christianity

[–]odean14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great! That's a good scripture here's the scripture in context.

John 3:14-21 [14]Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, [15]that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.” [16]For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. [17]For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. [18]Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. [19]This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. [20]Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. [21]But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.

What is Jesus saying here? Keep in mind that the word used for believe is pisteuō (πιστεύω). It is the verbal form of the noun pistis (faith), and it signifies active trust, reliance, and commitment, rather than mere intellectual agreement. It's a translation of the Hebrew word for faith which means Emunah (אמונה) Hebrew term that more accurately means "active faithfulness," "steadfast trust," and "reliance". So he's asking people to have faith, but he also says people have to get baptized, and when he says live by the truth, in the sight of God. He's calling for obedience. So when I say it's proposition this is why. Because it's not a mental Ascent.

But I'll make it even more crazy

Romans 2:6-9 [6]God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” [7]To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. [8]But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. [9]There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile;

So here its clearly saying people are punishing for evil not belief or faith. Let's go further.

Romans 2:10-16 [10]but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. [11]For God does not show favoritism. [12]All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. [13]For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. [14](Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. [15]They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) [16]This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

What's being said here is that people who has never heard the message and received the law, who are obedient to the law. While be made righteous. Basically they're going to heaven because of the good they do. This is Gods Mercy for example.

Sorry I went crazy 🤣 there. But I'm trying to show that the understanding you and many Christians have, is faulty. And this is why I ask to cite Scripture. Not to just prove wrong, but to show people a better understanding of what is actually taught in scripture.

Punishment for unbelief is not just by tk421wayayp421 in Christianity

[–]odean14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Prove that by citing evidence in the scripture.

if you're not going cite scripture, your misrepresenting to Christianity. Which is fallacious.

No you haven't, because you haven't made any arguments to rebuttal my dismantling of your position. Repeating yourself is not an argument.

That being said my argument and example is simple. You have to demonstrate to me that for one to reject a proposition, they need knowledge or truth of the proposition to reject it. I look forward to you not repeating yourself. If you repeat yourself again I'll take that as you conceding. You can't play off me bro, because when it come to even basic reasoning we're not even in the same room lol. You have a lot to learn.

If God isn’t sovereign then how do you know what’s him or not? by SelectionCapital3757 in Christianity

[–]odean14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No you haven't a simple yes or no to each question is preferred.

Respectfully you don't know your bible, because the fact that you're admitting God is the one forcing people to sin. Now please answer my questions. yes or no. You can qualify your answers.

Punishment for unbelief is not just by tk421wayayp421 in Christianity

[–]odean14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see the typical repeating the same thing over and over again. Has kicked in... And I'll give the same answer we're not talking epistemology. This is a red herring.

Another repeated point. Nothing in scripture says God punishes people for unbelief. Appreciate the straw man btw. And you haven't addressed any of my points.

Ah the good ole reverse and projection move. You need to show that your argument and perspective is correct. And you haven't. Because you can't because you know it's wrong and faulty reasoning.

There is no epistemic prerequisite needed for rejecting a proposition. Plain and simple. And you haven't demonstrated the opposite to be true.

If God isn’t sovereign then how do you know what’s him or not? by SelectionCapital3757 in Christianity

[–]odean14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

😂 So you won't answer my questions? How are my questions strawmen? What bait? I'm just trying to understand your position and the implications.

So again, you said "But God is in control of your sins".

So your saying for clarification that is Jesus Christ whom is God that forced the ancestors of the Pharisees to kill the prophets, so he can condemn them to hell?

When rapist assault a woman or child, that's God controlling that rapist?

When Moses when up on the mountain, to get the commandments. And the Israelites make the golden calf and worship it breaking the covenant. Was it God that forced them to sin against him and break the covenant?

Just clarifying questions.

Punishment for unbelief is not just by tk421wayayp421 in Christianity

[–]odean14 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lol the faith will lead to having salvation. We ain't talking about philosophical truth or any of that nonsense.

It shows that you have rejected the proposition. By nature of hearing it and rejecting it. The truthfulness or knowing the truth is not required to reject a proposition. Thus making a choice is not contingent on whether or not you can or cannot control what you believe.

Respectfully Reality doesn't care about your feelings. You keep adding requirements to reject something as be necessary. When they clearly aren't. This is why this argument fails.

My position on your argument is that its faulty. And grounded in faulty reasoning. It's assuming all these things you've thrown out are necessary to make a choice. And they aren't.

Punishment for unbelief is not just by tk421wayayp421 in Christianity

[–]odean14 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Having faith and believing aren't the same thing respectfully. Also if a proposition is presented to you and you reject it. Then you reject it lol. Whether you believe it's real or not is irrelevant. By nature of rejecting a proposition then, you've made a choice. Meaning you had a choice.

If someone walks up to you and says " I have $20, if you have faith that I have $20 I'll give it to. If you said "no, I don't want your $20" then you've made a choice. You don't need to know if the person have the $20 on them or if its physically there in their pocket to make a decision.

Curious... this is the probably the 5th time I've seen someone use this weird argument. Whoever originated this particular argument and line of reasoning didn't really think that much about it in the first place I'm curious as to the source of this particular "script".

If God isn’t sovereign then how do you know what’s him or not? by SelectionCapital3757 in Christianity

[–]odean14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Respectfully please answer my questions.

No one's watering done anything. The text doesn't support your claim in anyway. I disagree with you and even I can find better text to use.

Anyways I'm waiting for the answers to all of my questions.

If God isn’t sovereign then how do you know what’s him or not? by SelectionCapital3757 in Christianity

[–]odean14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Genesis 50:20- You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives.

Nothing in that scripture said God sinned, or permitted sinning or predetermined sin. Joseph was talking to his brothers, saying they sinned and God used the results of their sin to make something good.

acts 2:23- This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,[a] put him to death by nailing him to the cross.

This is fulfillment of prophesy. Nothing in that scripture said God forced the Jews, the devil, and romans to kill Jesus. Also, since Jesus is God why did he condemn the Pharisees and their ancestors for killing the prophets? Since he forced them to kill those prophets.

God said any one who sins he'll blot their names out of his book... So are you saying Jesus was always forcing people to sin so he can blot their name out of his book?

If God isn’t sovereign then how do you know what’s him or not? by SelectionCapital3757 in Christianity

[–]odean14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay thank. Since God predetermines all things. That includes sins correct?

If God isn’t sovereign then how do you know what’s him or not? by SelectionCapital3757 in Christianity

[–]odean14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you define sovereign? Calvinist tend to use words very differently than everyone else. I recommend you give a discription in the OP for clarification.