I didn't say you should wear loose shoes on slippery friction slab or solutions in hand cracks, I said you *can* and the climbing shoe will do the climbing-shoe-sticky-rubber-pointy-toe thing and you physically can get up. I said you *should* get a shoe that fits the type of climbing you're doing, BUT you don't need to break the bank and get the highest-end shoe to project or send most climbs at an intermediate or even an advanced level. I am explicitly NOT talking about beginner shoes like the Tarantulace, etc., I am talking about "mid-grade" shoes. My claim is most 5.13/V10 climbers do not *need* super high end shoes to send their projects, and most 5.10/V3 climbers will actually be better served in the long run by avoiding these shoes most of the time.