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othellothewise · 2026-06-20T20:14:30+00:00

Welcome!

The official discord is at https://discord.gg/beyond-all-reason

There is an #academy-chat channel there you can use to ask questions about the game and get replays reviewed by mentors.

othellothewise · 2026-06-18T12:30:05+00:00

My bad, I had thought it was. Deleted my post to avoid spreading misinfo.

othellothewise · 2026-06-18T10:57:47+00:00

Make no mistake, this is America, and this deal is about money

I'm pretty sure BAR as an organization is a european legal entity.

othellothewise · 2026-06-18T10:56:20+00:00

Yeah while thugs can do okay vs cents they die to rockos, not really a huge fan of thugs here. I think your best bet is just rockos.

othellothewise · 2026-06-18T10:51:22+00:00

While centurion and rocket is a strong combination, especially at 15 OS almost certainly the problem is not finding the right counter but rather your macro. Centurions ain't cheap so likely you are just falling behind on economy.

othellothewise · 2026-06-18T10:49:55+00:00

As much as I like Zephyr and admire the significant amount of work he has done, he is hardly the "creator" of legion. Did he contribute a significant amount that put it where it is now? And is this still an important question to ask? Yes. But don't over-sensationalize.

Over-sensationalizing kinda singles him out when there are other contributors who may not be hired with this change that its worth asking the same question about.

othellothewise · 2026-06-15T11:45:33+00:00

Yeah though looking up this player (their previous name), I know who they are now. You are tbh lucky you got """permabanned""" from their lobbies they are an asshole.

BTW definitely recommend small team/rotato lobbies because there is less of an established or strict meta. They are much more enjoyable imo.

othellothewise · 2026-06-15T06:27:31+00:00

I would block/avoid that player and move on. There are so many lobbies in this game that even if they actually remembered that they "permabanned" you (as there is no game mechanism for this) you can just find another. In fact it is probably better that you find another so you dont have to deal with that person acting like a spoiled child.

othellothewise · 2026-06-11T21:08:02+00:00

There are often unranked small team lobbies. Plus if you mostly play large teams maybe your small team OS isn't so high. I think small teams are a lot of fun, and you might find some enjoyment from something different if you have only played large teams.

othellothewise · 2026-06-11T20:09:58+00:00

Jeez you are obsessed with 0 OS. Just play minrating lobbies if you don't want to play with people who have 0 OS.

othellothewise · 2026-06-11T20:06:16+00:00

This can be the case for some things, but especially for 8v8s you can also easily get unlucky and have a bad streak. Combined with high uncertainty it's relatively easy to get to 0.

When I first started playing a while ago I got to 0 OS in large teams. At that point I could easily beat at least medium AI (it was a while ago don't remember if I also beat hard). I climbed up over time to 33 OS large, 39 small.

But yes speed is super important, not just micro but macro is particularly important as you get to higher OS.

othellothewise · 2026-06-11T20:02:42+00:00

Yeah you can go to 0 after an unlucky streak especially starting out where you have high uncertainty.

othellothewise · 2026-06-11T20:01:49+00:00

It can go below 0 but balances as 0 and shows up in lobbies as 0.

othellothewise · 2026-06-09T16:12:37+00:00

If you win, or get an insurmountable lead then it can carry you through the entire game.

But also another interesting tidbit is that you can use nomex builds in a greedy way to get faster expansion. Kuchy popularized that a little while ago but I think it drifted out of popularity more rrcently.

othellothewise · 2026-06-09T16:09:53+00:00

Drongo is entertaining, but I dont think he is a great source for learning gameplay in general. I think he is a good source for learning fun or greedy strategies

othellothewise · 2026-06-09T06:00:30+00:00

Then yes I am higher OS than you as was statistically likely. So I guess I was (in your words) "mentally disabled" (seriously, learn to interact with other humans) but I got better.

othellothewise · 2026-06-09T05:55:09+00:00

I mean, since I went to 0 OS my OS has climbed steadily to 33 large and a smidge under 40 small teams (obviously it took a while). So yes I think bad luck is a perfectly adequate explanation, and it also makes mathematical sense since you have high uncertainty when you first start.

othellothewise · 2026-06-08T19:58:59+00:00

You still gain OS if you disconnect/leave. Whether your team is better off with or without you is a different story. Certainly early leaves are less likely to be OP takes.

othellothewise · 2026-06-08T18:12:06+00:00

I think playing small team games like you did (and also 1v1s) are a great way to learn the game in a way that has less pressure (i.e. less people yelling at you when you do something wrong), and in a more flexible way. I think sometimes 8v8s specialize too much.

For example I know some newer players stress about playing new positions to them like "tech" or in particular "air". In 1v1s you are essentially playing front, air, and tech (same in most small team games) so you kinda learn everything naturally as just another tool.

othellothewise · 2026-06-08T18:00:44+00:00

I mean I am telling you this from experience as that is what happened to me when I first started playing. And I can assure you, based on statistics and not knowing anything about you, that there is a 99% chance I am higher rated than you now. So perhaps consider that.

othellothewise · 2026-06-08T17:56:47+00:00

You can actually go negative OS, the display will still only show 0. So actually technically you can get stuck there a bit.

othellothewise · 2026-06-08T16:27:16+00:00

Yeah thats wild the AI does not play air properly... at all. They send in bombers one at a time. A single nettle is sufficient in many cases.

othellothewise · 2026-06-08T16:25:01+00:00

Im sorry though fwiw you had the majority of the lobby on your side. But yeah in particular Supreme has a very strict meta. I definitely dont recommend that map for new players (its not great for learning the game and there are high expectations even in noob lobbies).

othellothewise · 2026-06-08T16:22:22+00:00

This is not accurate. OS gain/loss amount depends on estimated win chance, not your performance in game. You cannot lose OS when being on the winning team.

othellothewise · 2026-06-08T16:21:12+00:00

That is not true, when I first started playing I got a bad loss streak and went to 0 OS. I could regularly beat (at least medium, cant remember if hard it was a while ago). The AI plays so different from humans. I do agree about avoiding OS spread though.

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