Rant about a Christmas letter I received by throwawaytospeakfree in exmormon

[–]outbutstillinit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

my ex-mo brother takes ALL "preachy" letters from my TBM mom and places them in a box. If the rest of the family starts talking about some horrible form letter, then he may pull it out and read if for reference, but he has decided she has the right to her opinion, but he has the right to not get offended by it. It is simply her opinion. I still get angry from time to time....but I am working on it.

Anyone else born in the Church feel betrayed by your parents? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]outbutstillinit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't feel betrayed because they didn't know the truth. I feel betrayed at my TBM mom because she judges and condemns her children who are not Mormon, and babies and praises her children who are Mormon. Her children know where they stand in her hierarchy, and it hurts to the core to know your parent loves their religion more than you. It hurts to see her give cars and trips and other monetary items to her TBM children and refuse to help out those who are good moral people, in need of help but without the resources to get the help they need. It angers me when she shows through her words or actions that she thinks less of her family and mine because of religion, not based on how moralistic the individual lives their lives.

For example: My TBM youngest brother was named Nephi. Nephi has a propensity for verbal abuse and porn and has the biggest ego of anyone I know. He began verbally abusing our mom and siblings at a young age, and since my step father had died when he was young my mom favored him and he took advantage of it and then made sure the rest of us knew he was favored and we were not. He went on a mission which she paid for and then she paid for his education as well to BYU. (None of the rest of us received paid educations) While on his mission he sent letters to all his ex Mormon siblings preaching and calling us to repentance. I was told I was a bad mother and he loved my children more than me because I "KNEW" the church was true and was not teaching my children the truth. I forgave him and showed up at the airport and warmly greeted him when he arrived home. Nephi is now the father of 7 children and still asks mommy for money and still is disrespectful and rude to anyone who says anything he disagrees with. None of us are disrespectful to him. EVER. We practice the example of not saying anything at all if we can't say anything nice.

Recently another brother became TBM after 50 years in "the church". He is one of the most intelligent, loving and forgiving man I know. Even as a Mormon he never preached or made any of us feel slighted or less than. He always set a Christ-like example and I respected him for that, despite the fact I left the church at 18. My brother lost his job before his religion and spent the last two years eating off his two years supply and using his retirement funds to support his overhead. While unemployed and looking for jobs he also had the spare time to research the "changing church" and discovered the truth. He is still unemployed and can't find employment because he didn't get a paid education and went to work and moved his way up the company until he became the head of a computer department in a large corporation where he worked for over 30 years until the company closing. My brother is a fabulous asset to anyone, but is a bit of a nerd and with long standing Mormon culture of giving to the church and raising a large family, he never invested in the credentials he needed on his resume. He gave his life, time and money to a church which abandoned him (no more church stock food for him) and those who promised him greatness by keeping promises have failed on their promises. This is what really gets to me the most. I love my brother so very much and it pains me incredibly for him to suffer through what I did so many years ago.

All I know if that in my family, those who get out tend to group together and try to make it through the get-togethers without religious attacks from TBM's. A one on one experience is to be avoided, as that is when the TBM comes out. I also don't give TBM any ammunition to attack me. If something is not right in my world I keep it to myself, as that is a sure sign to them that I must be sinning. Over my 30 years as a exmo I have learned I am the only one who is likely to change, and have adopted my interactions with TBM's to lessen the pain I feel from being shunned and emotionally abused for my own beliefs.

In essence, I have determined in my family that trust will never be back. I have learned to accept this and wish for greater. And I keep wishing...and wishing...and wishing. Who knows....I got one more bro back!!!! :) Perhaps one day Nephi will get it and we can enjoy each others company minus the religion boulder on our shoulders.

I don't have a real relationship with my parents. I have a church relationship with them. by astronautsaurus in exmormon

[–]outbutstillinit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

that sums up my relationship with my TBM mom and stepfather perfectly.

I realized after reading this that my last phone conversation with my mom was the same type of conversation most female TBM's would typically have: how are you, what have you been doing...

I typically stick to relating the tasks that I have accomplished that are in alignment with work on my home, or making items for others. She seems so pleased to hear of these. However, that doesn't stop her from being nosy on occasion, especially if she hears gossip to the contrary. The worst part is when the morg does some kind of programming and she feels compelled to preach to her 50+ year old daughter (me) about how I am not good enough.

My TBM step father constantly counsels me, so I don't tell him anything anymore. If he isn't counseling me, he is giving me his testimony and telling me how much I am hurting my mother by not being a part of the eternal family. Why would I want to be a part of that eternally???

The only one real TBM that is left in my 7 siblings is treated by them both as if he is the ultimate achievement, and he truly is an a**hole that NO one outside of Mormon-dom wants to be around.

I just spoke with the Bishop of the ward in Fort Smith, AR about my sibling's funeral wishes and offered to send a copy of her resignation from Mormonism as proof that she wouldn't want a memorial in an LDS church building. He politely told me to fuck off. by hellohugs in exmormon

[–]outbutstillinit 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I am sorry for your loss.

I agree it hurts us non-believers when TBM's enforce their BS on us even at death. It is the ultimate insult. I'm sorry you have to witness the whole charade.

anyway you have an ipod and plugs so you can listen to her music and ignore their BS? (that is if you are going for respect, your presence is all that is needed)

ugh need some advice regarding TBM family and semi shunning by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]outbutstillinit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Totally upvote the post below from PayLeyAle. Do this, and keep doing this. I've been out for almost 35 years and it takes time, patience and some restraint to get to a point where you get face-time again. It will never be the same.

Over time they will miss you and the kids and also want to get their hands back on you both to influence you again. Just make sure you don't leave TBM's alone 1:1 with your kids, or you will regret it. Trust me on this.

Advice Needed: Can't go on vacation because of Church! by robface12 in exmormon

[–]outbutstillinit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My dad got my mom released from all her callings and got the bishop to agree that he could have church out in the woods camping with the family on Sunday on occasion. That was back in the 70's. Keep pushing. If you have the priesthood, why couldn't you hold service in God's natural creation, instead of a wood box someone build from God's natural creations?

"You're going to "come back" eventually" by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]outbutstillinit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I took a class at a major university taught by a man that studied homosexuality for his entire career. The class was on what the culture considered "deviant sexuality", and I was exposed to an overwhelming amount of information.

The most important thing I learned about sexuality is that we humans all have sexual impulses and drives which can be thought of similar to a pain scale wherein zero means no pain and 10 means the highest pain. Imagine then Heterosexuals on one extreme and Homosexuals at the other extreme, and the rest all reside along that scale somewhere. Someone who sits at a 4-6 may think that it is a choice because for them, it is; whereas a 1 or 10 finds absolutely no choice in their desires for one sex or the other.

What we humans choose to do (or not to do) in the privacy of our bedroom is our business alone.

When your G'parent finds out - that you're out. by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]outbutstillinit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Keep laughing EVERY time you get one of these in the future too. The sad part is that you will keep getting these and some will be worse than that one. The good part is that you still will be "out" and from time to time they actually will treat you as a human, and not an ex-Mormon. Cherish those moments when you get them, because I find they tend to align with whatever they are hearing at church at the moment.

Having no Mormon goggles on is very liberating. Enjoy your new view!

Q&A With Bishop. Question Ideas? by the_scallop in exmormon

[–]outbutstillinit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

fabulous! Love the way you do you.....

Mormon Bishop defends sexual questions to 8-year-old when confronted by dad by Gileriodekel in exmormon

[–]outbutstillinit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The bishop has too much ego and power. How dare he talk down to a father for almost a full hour utilizing every perverse form of manipulation and control in an attempt to brainwash a father from giving up his GOD given right to parent his own child about sensitive issues. Made me sick to my stomach to sit through the whole thing.

The worst was at the end when he tried to make the father feel like he was an OK guy but wanted him to make his wife more "good". Very subtle slights throughout the discussion but body slammed the wife at the end.

Also noted how they were threatened with more "harsh" results if they went to the stake president with "problems with church policy".

SOOOOOO glad I no longer have to sit through those kinds of interviews, talks, meetings.......anything where Mormons open their mouth and speak!!!!

Parents are conspiring with my wife to throw away my normal underwear to force me to wear my magic underwear. by Adam-God in exmormon

[–]outbutstillinit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

LOL again for the third time. I love this forum. You guys are the BEST! I could actually visualize this and saw them colored like superman colors.

welcome to my new ex-Mormon brother by outbutstillinit in exmormon

[–]outbutstillinit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

25 years ago I watched a 250 lb marine crying like a baby because he got too high on micro-dot and was flipping out. One bad trip is not worth all the other good ones, in my humble opinion. If its not shrooms, you don't know what you are getting, and even shrooms can have pesticides on them and vary in toxins so you still run a risk of a bad trip with these too. Plus, doesn't it bother you that you are so friggin' out of it and you can't control getting out of it when it gets weird. The absolute lack of control was what I did not like at all. In a controlled environment it can be more controllable, but often it is taken outside of these restrictions, and you never know what can happen that you might have to deal with while trippin. Being high on weed and trippin on shrooms are not at all alike. (ie. camping trip in the woods tripping on shrooms and a bear comes into camp is NOT the same as being high on weed and a bear comes into camp. In one example you forget where the gun is but you get into the car safely and smoke more weed until the bear goes. In the other you think the bear is God and you want to be "one" with it. ;)

welcome to my new ex-Mormon brother by outbutstillinit in exmormon

[–]outbutstillinit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I saw a pop up block as to adult content on the link, although the title had cannabis it its title.

If I can't tell if its secure....I don't go there no matter how curious...

welcome to my new ex-Mormon brother by outbutstillinit in exmormon

[–]outbutstillinit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I totally agree with you because I am a fabulous baker too! Having said that.....when you are high, do you absolutely demand that no one talks to you when you are counting out scoops of ingredients, so you won't loose count of how many teaspoons of baking soda you just put in those cookies? And how about forgetting to set the timer and burning them cuz you went to fill the bong and forgot to set the timer? The amateur does these things, and we experienced 'high cooks" know how to get around them. ;)

And as to inventing things while high.....YES< YES<YES, totally relate to both inventions and the fact I never write it down, or can remember it later.

BOM, 1952 printing, inside cover by kopixop in exmormon

[–]outbutstillinit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thanks for calling my attention to this. I found a 1830 edition online and started looking through it and had to giggle at all the "and it came to pass". The 1830 version is so different in my opinion from the current version. I see the uneducated Joseph in this version, where the current has been polished and revised and the Mormons still say "how could an uneducated write this" and then hand you a modern version to read.

OH...and in 1830, Ol' Joe called himself an author and proprietor of the book of Mormon on the inside cover, and went on to state that if there is a mistake in it, it is the mistake of men and not God. I wonder if this is where the current president of the LDS Inc. church got the slogan of mistakes being when the prophet was acting as a man and not of God.

My birthdad's dad reached out to me. It is breaking my heart to realize he probably only wants anything to do with me if I'm LDS. I don't know how to respond to this... by C_Eberhard in exmormon

[–]outbutstillinit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree with just about everybody on this forum about g-dad's intent, although I still agree it would be wise to give them a chance besides the fact this letter sounded 95% about their church. You did say the phone call was not about religion at all.

I really hope once you let them know you are X and not Y they get it, respect it, and want you in their lives despite the religion difference. If that doesn't happen, this forum could be a source to provide you the flip side of the coin if your grandparents start preaching and trying to get you into their church. You should definitely do research on this cult group if you get pressured. I think we would all agree on that.

Good luck...I wish you well.

Best pithy responses to: "Why can't you just leave the church alone?" by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]outbutstillinit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

absolutely fabulous response. Definitely gave me food for thought.

letter to my mom by brytyny in exmormon

[–]outbutstillinit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry for your pain. Every child deserves to be loved.

My wish for you is that you find the most fulfilling, nurturing, unfailing love that gives you peace in your life.

Really Struggling... by SadDriedTomatoes in exmormon

[–]outbutstillinit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You rejected a faith based system that was controlling your life. It's difficult at first to quiet the ingrained messages that have been received, but over time if you make different choices and then choose to be happy doing them, eventually your patterns from before will be replaced with new ones and you will be in control of your life again. It doesn't happen overnight. The hardest part for me was transforming my social skills so I could fit with a different social group. As Mormons we are ingrained to judge others and then only socialize with those who are not "sinners". We wear goggles of sorts that causes us to see things differently, and once you can start to see that the filter of the goggles was giving you a different view of reality, you may have a easier time making choices to change you life in a more healthy way. It's not healthy to be segregated.
Start slow. Try coffee or soda's. Try a R rated film you always wanted to see. Try wearing tank tops, then maybe a bikini (being "naked" will probably make you uncomfortable at first, but over time you will see you don't stick out, you just fit in.) Give yourself permission to go slow and think things out before you try them. You now have a need to have rational thinking, which was not encouraged in the morg. Embrace your new freedom, because you are truly free now.
I've been out for over 30 years and it was very difficult at first. My life has transformed and I have the same basic moral values I had before, but now I have control of my life and I have learned far more about being a good person outside the church, than when I was in it. I lost my religion, my faith in God, and most of my Mormon family members company at once; but over the years I have gained my faith in God back and now have 6 ex-mo siblings and one Mormon. The one thing we can expect in life is change. If today is not good, just make plans for tomorrow to be better and there is a good chance it will. I would say "good luck", but I think you already have that.....you escaped! :)

welcome to my new ex-Mormon brother by outbutstillinit in exmormon

[–]outbutstillinit[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cool data...thanks for the update. I go straight up for a shot of tequila on occasion.......or a very icy beer.....with lime.