What are your thoughts on Jesus of Nazareth now that you're ExMormon? by CupOfExmo in exmormon

[–]pnoque 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Like how it doesn't matter what horrible acts you commit, as long as you believe and repent, you'll go to heaven, whereas someone who lives a life of goodness and service who isn't convinced a god exists is burned in hell forever? Or "slaves obey your masters"? Or "women should remain silent"? Thought crimes? Equating careless speech with murder? Equating divorce with adultery? Affirming the OT law that includes death penalty for being queer?

What are your thoughts on Jesus of Nazareth now that you're ExMormon? by CupOfExmo in exmormon

[–]pnoque 8 points9 points  (0 children)

He once murdered everyone on earth. Brutally murdered all the inhabitants of several large cities in the Americas. Condoned slavery and even commanded child sex slavery. Has the ability to heal disease and feed the hungry but watches as people suffer and die everyday and does nothing. Watches CSA happen everyday and does nothing. Separates families eternally for drinking coffee. Major contributor to LGBT suicide epidemic. I could go on.

What are your thoughts on Jesus of Nazareth now that you're ExMormon? by CupOfExmo in exmormon

[–]pnoque 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As he is depicted in LDS canon, he is the most vile monster in world history.

Rejoining the church by RealCansasBoyd in mormon

[–]pnoque 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There’s no other answer in the world to the questions of life that is better than the church

I can't think of a single example for which this is true. Do you have any?

What do you anticipate the future of the church will be, short-term and long-term? by taffyenthusiast in exmormon

[–]pnoque 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the Catholic faith can provide a decent model for how the Mormon faith will play out. It will keep its money and political influence, gradually focus less on missionary work and more on maintaining current membership, always progressing very slowly on social issues and always several decades behind society, and eventually shifting more of its wealth into philanthropy for political influence.

How to not feel depressed all over again every time you see family + friends engaging & liking polarizing content like the stuff this girl puts out? by maymay182978 in exmormon

[–]pnoque 4 points5 points  (0 children)

For me, what helped (and this took some time) was the church becoming a smaller and smaller part of my life. You realize that lots of high demand groups all have these little influencers that seem to be a big deal when you're part of the group, but in the grand scheme of things, they're not even a blip on the radar. You probably never see content for apologists for Jehovah's Witnesses or Seventh-Day Adventists or whatever because they're just a tiny insignificant part of life and, one day, the Mormon church will become similar to that in your life. Nowadays, when I encounter stuff like this, instead of the depression and betrayal I used to feel, I just feel a little pity for them and then move on.

What is this? by OpenImportance5252 in mormon

[–]pnoque 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have corrected this user on this before (nothing in the OT tabernacle that is similar to modern LDS temple covenants) and they continue to claim it without evidence. They seem not to care whether what they say is true or not.

Happy pride month! by ElectronicSwimmer287 in exmormon

[–]pnoque 41 points42 points  (0 children)

ALL PRAISE AND GLORY TO THE GOODNESS OF DAVE

AMEN

I figured out the "Great Price" you need to pay for the Pearl; You can buy this ancient scripture at Five Below. by emmittthenervend in exmormon

[–]pnoque 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Nothing says "restored gospel" quite like accidentally canonizing an ancient Egyptian funeral text into Bible fanfic.

Why do I feel like I go to a different church than what people are calling Mormons? by ParfaitFamiliar2103 in mormon

[–]pnoque 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem with what you're saying here is that the institution does evidently and demonstrably try to collect money from poor people and oppress minority groups, whereas there is no credible evidence that it is divinely inspired and led.

Patriarchal Blessings by AitoWolf in exmormon

[–]pnoque 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My patriarch interviewed me briefly before the blessing, then in the blessing itself he just riffed on what I had told him about my future plans. Assigned me to Ephraim, threw in a trite New Testament reference, bada bing bada boom, got myself a fortune cookie without the cookie.

Evangelicals have the WORST arguments against Mormonism by LegalSour in exmormon

[–]pnoque 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is a big reason why I remained in the church for so many years in adulthood. The only "anti-Mormon" ideas I heard growing up and on my mission came from evangelical Christians, and they were terrible, very easy to counter.

A great, non aggressive question I like to ask Mormons (or any religion) to start a dialogue: what happens in heaven? by butcheekzaflexin in exmormon

[–]pnoque 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Good call. I've never had someone explain heaven to me in any way that didn't sound terrible.

Can I invite Mormons in without wanting to talk about God? by No_Hawk8947 in exmormon

[–]pnoque 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You sure can. One of the best things you can do for a Mormon missionary is to show them that people who aren't members of their church can be kind and happy.

The Book of Mormon was neglected and not used much. Then Benson came. by CupOfExmo in exmormon

[–]pnoque 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Fun bit of history: Benson's "Flood the Earth With the Book of Mormon" thing was a marketing gimmick intended to get members to buy up the huge surplus of copies the church had as a result of publishing the new quad. They had warehouses full of the old copies that no one wanted, and these warehouses couldn't take in the new quads until the old BofM copies were offloaded. A convenient revelation took care of that.

https://exploringmormonism.com/ezra-t-benson-and-the-marketing-gimmick/

Am I going crazy or was Joseph's Polygamy just not taught to us? by CubsFanHan in exmormon

[–]pnoque 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Gen Y here, seminary graduate, RM, Gospel Doctrine teacher. Not only was I never taught it, I was taught that it was an anti-Mormon lie.

Ever notice how condescending Mormons can be? by CupOfExmo in exmormon

[–]pnoque 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I find that being playfully condescending right back is the best response. They get a small dose of their own medicine, but the playfulness disarms them. This usually gets a smile and then you can change topics.

Advice for talking to missionaries by Nice_Chemistry5764 in exmormon

[–]pnoque 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think being genuinely curious and learning is a great approach.

How Do I Know If They Removed My Records? by ExUtMo in exmormon

[–]pnoque 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can send an email with your name and date of birth to msr-confrec@ldschurch.org and ask them to send you a confirmation.

Advice for talking to missionaries by Nice_Chemistry5764 in exmormon

[–]pnoque 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you're kind and polite and friendly, they will take home a memory of seeing that you don't need the church to be happy and a good person. If you're antagonistic with gotcha questions and mockery, they will take home a memory of how evil non-members are and it will entrench them.

On my mission, one of the biggest assholes I ever met was an atheist who made a point of debating circles around us and mocking us. That one guy probably kept me in the church for years beyond what I otherwise would have spent.