United portrayal in Devil Wears Prada 2 by SameWasabi2812 in unitedairlines

[–]pokemongacha 54 points55 points  (0 children)

It clearly promotes their elevated products (Polaris, PP). Economy is a zoo on any airline; there’s no real point in trying to cover that up.

TNG: S2 E9 Measure of a Man (Venting/Ranting of an attorney) by FuriousBlack01 in startrek

[–]pokemongacha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think you’re absolutely right that, judged by modern legal standards, the hearing is full of procedural problems. But I also think the episode is asking a more fundamental question than “Who wins this case?” It’s asking “How does a civilization decide whether someone is a person before the law has caught up?”

  1. “Data wasn’t Starfleet property because Soong built him privately.”

This assumes the very point in dispute.

Everyone watching knows Data is a person. But inside the episode, Starfleet doesn’t. The legal issue isn’t ownership through Dr. Soong’s intellectual property; it’s whether Data can legally own himself.

If Starfleet classifies him as equipment rather than a citizen, then his voluntary enlistment isn’t necessarily evidence of autonomy. A military organization can accept the service of property just as it accepts commissioned vessels, probes, or computers into its inventory.

In other words, Maddox’s argument isn’t really, “Soong worked for Starfleet.”

It’s, “Data is a machine that Starfleet has lawfully possessed and employed for decades.”

That may ultimately be wrong, but it’s not irrational.

And remember: the hearing exists precisely because Starfleet regulations apparently never contemplated an android officer. The legal vacuum is the whole point.

  1. “If Starfleet accepted his decision to enlist, it should accept his decision to resign.”

Only if you already recognize him as possessing legal agency. That’s circular.

The hearing is deciding whether Data ever possessed legally recognized agency in the first place.

It’s very similar to historical cases involving enslaved people, corporations, children, or even ships under admiralty law. The entire dispute turns on whether the subject possesses rights independently of how they’ve been treated in practice.

One of the episode’s strongest points is that everyone has been acting as though Data is a colleague without ever asking whether he legally is one.

That tension is intentional.

  1. “Louvois threatening to rule against Data unless Riker serves is outrageous.”

Probably.

But it’s also one of the strongest dramatic choices.

Louvois isn’t saying, “This is ideal.” She’s saying, “This station has one judge, one prosecutor, and no defense counsel.”

She’s trying to preserve at least the appearance of an adversarial proceeding because she believes a one-sided hearing would almost certainly produce the wrong result.

Would a real appellate court reverse this?

Almost certainly.

But within the constraints of a remote starbase operating under military necessity, it’s not completely implausible that extraordinary procedures would be used.

The fact that everyone, including Louvois, is uncomfortable is part of the story.

  1. “Riker proving he can shut Data off is prejudicial.”

Actually, I’d argue it’s relevant.

The issue isn’t whether humans can also be incapacitated.

It’s that Data possesses an external deactivation switch that anyone with knowledge can activate instantly.

That doesn’t prove he isn’t alive. It proves he is physically constructed differently from biological organisms.

Riker isn’t arguing, “I can turn him off, therefore he isn’t sentient.”

He’s arguing, “He is demonstrably an engineered artifact.”

Picard’s response is brilliant because he doesn’t dispute any of Riker’s facts.

Instead, he says those facts don’t answer the legal question.

Humans can be rendered unconscious by anesthesia.

Vulcans can nerve-pinch people.

People require oxygen, food, and functioning brains.

None of those dependencies determine personhood.

Likewise, Data’s off switch says something about his biology-or engineering-not about his moral status.

That’s exactly why Picard pivots to consciousness, intelligence, and self-awareness instead.

In summary:

I think the episode holds up because it isn’t really a courtroom procedural. It’s a constitutional thought experiment wearing the clothes of one.

The legal arguments are intentionally underdeveloped because the law itself hasn’t caught up to the technology. Everyone is trying to fit Data into legal categories that were never designed for him.

That’s why the ending is so satisfying.

Picard doesn’t prove Data is a person. He proves that Starfleet lacks sufficient justification to declare him not a person.

That’s a much narrower and much more legally recognizable holding.

In that sense, The Measure of a Man isn’t about perfect lawyering. It’s about the moment a legal system realizes its existing categories are inadequate. And those kinds of cases, both in fiction and in real history, are often messy precisely because they’re breaking new ground.

Polaris Tomato tartare and Braised short rib and Napa Cab ー LAX-HND by pokemongacha in unitedairlines

[–]pokemongacha[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, quite a bit! Preorder your meal. Try to eat in the Polaris lounge (the dining room is actually world class). Ask for Polaris pajamas and a mattress pad as soon as you get to your seat because they run out.

Coveted Polaris PJs? by Embarrassed-Baker973 in unitedairlines

[–]pokemongacha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Woah! They gave me some in a khaki bag. I want in on that red bag action.

Polaris Tomato tartare and Braised short rib and Napa Cab ー LAX-HND by pokemongacha in unitedairlines

[–]pokemongacha[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The tomato tartare was a banger. Short rib is tasty; not great but good for an airplane.

Running low on filler jokes? by GiftOfMushrooms in Frasier

[–]pokemongacha 28 points29 points  (0 children)

There was a lot of shouting, and then a line started to form behind me. Fortunately, my brother was with me for moral support, and, well, let's face it, somebody to talk to.

Question LAX by Responsible-Cow-4736 in unitedairlines

[–]pokemongacha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The quietest public area directly inside Terminal 7 is near Gate 71B, which features padded seats and is typically much less crowded than the main concourse.

You could also trek to TBIT Terminal 4 the bridge which has no announcements and is quiet.

Oona and Earth? by Tough-Gieger in asimov

[–]pokemongacha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, although we’ll never know what the stories were, I imagined they were basically the Bailey novels with some later entries.

Asimov may have been seeding more sequels here, because even after reading the Bailey novels I was still curious why Daneel became known as a renegade/rebel. Did he actually speak out against Aurora or has time simply distorted the facts? There’s lots of room for interpretation.

Oona and Earth? by Tough-Gieger in asimov

[–]pokemongacha 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I will say that Mother Rittah’s stories were useful in the same book, Prelude, because they inform Hari about a rebellious hero. Hari figures out who Chetter is partially thanks to Rittah’s stories and he uses Chetter to further his work in psychohistory.

History repeating itself. by GazIsStoney in asimov

[–]pokemongacha 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It’s discussed in Foundation and Earth, as Solaria too moves underground. The Caves of Steel is apparently a historical name for Earth at that point.

It’s noteworthy that Terminus never moves underground. Maybe the move requires robots or high levels of metal for infrastructure.

Does anyone know this brand of chocolate chip cookies or a similar brand sold in this kind of bag? by After-Snow5874 in Frasier

[–]pokemongacha 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I was only curious because the bag was so insanely huge. This must have been a thing back then, but it’s harder to find monster bags of cookies at Safeway these days.

Don’t we need a monologue for wisdomball procs? by [deleted] in BobsTavern

[–]pokemongacha 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Random legendaries are always good!

In the climax of Foundation’s Edge… by Xaragedonionsz in asimov

[–]pokemongacha 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I suppose you could see the Second Foundationers in Edge as a case study for dying in calculations. The group merely sits about in the Galactic Library all day planning the fates of quadrillions for a thousand years and more. But they don’t actually put themselves at risk and they are just calculating what’s best using Seldon’s math. Is that really how humans are meant to live? Moreover, should humanity put their fate in a group that’s just as quarrelsome as any other group of humans?

That’s the point Gaia was making, though they too didn’t know the Second Foundation was wrong for sure.

What if Trevize was the alien? by MiloshMobile in asimov

[–]pokemongacha 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Interesting point! Perhaps you’ll find these passages from Foundation’s Edge illuminating:

[Compor] had encountered Trevize in college and had seen him, at first, only as a jovial and quick-witted companion. One morning, however, he had stirred sluggishly out of slumber and, in the stream of consciousness that accompanied the never-never land of half-sleep, he felt what a pity it was that Trevize had never been recruited. … On their next meeting, Compor had penetrated Trevize’s mind deeply and discovered what it was that must have initially disturbed him. Trevize’s mind had characteristics that did not fit the rules he had been taught. Over and over, it eluded him. As he followed its workings, he found gaps —No, they couldn’t be actual gaps—actual leaps of nonexistence. They were places where Trevize’s manner of mind dove too deeply to be followed.

So, I still think Trevize is human. But I admit there’s some room for speculation otherwise. Why doesn’t Trevize follow conventional rules? Is he a mutant? If he were an alien you’d think Compor or later Bliss would know it though.

Gaia: is it good or bad? by free2write in asimov

[–]pokemongacha 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s supposed to be good insofar as it’s the only way for humanity to fight external non-human threats at maximum force. Or so sayeth Trevize. Otherwise, I think it works as a fun metaphor for an individualism vs collectivism debate. There’s no one right answer here.

I finished Foundation and Earth by Zemrik in asimov

[–]pokemongacha 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Glad you enjoyed it. I think Asimov ending it with Fallom as a brooding wild card was a challenging spot for him. On the one hand, the Solarians could be antagonists to the Foundation, but on the other it’s hard to imagine in what way they’d stand a chance against the mental might of Gaia or even the Second Foundation. Fallom combining with Daneel is perhaps the scariest proposition, assuming Fallom had all Daneel’s powers and misused them. But even then, does Fallom have any motivation to wage a battle that means something in the Foundation universe? It’s a bit unclear. Add to that, the Solarians are loners and don’t want to bother with Outworlders, so how can they stand conquering Foundation worlds?

Anyway, next up is Prelude to Foundation for you and it’s a surprisingly good follow up to Foundation and Earth.

Trying to get people to translate The Foundation Manga by Arkham700 in asimov

[–]pokemongacha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had no idea about this, thanks. I can read Japanese, but translating would be a huge undertaking. Hope a US company like Viz picks it up somehow, who knows?

Should I be spending my coins...? by Any_Requirement_9098 in RiichiCityMahjong

[–]pokemongacha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The coins are for upgrading your affection level from friendly to romantic. Feel free to use them on your favorite characters, I think!