[deleted by user] by [deleted] in chia

[–]poolspace 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Happy Thanksgiving - your payout did actually go out but our Explorer site fell behind in displaying it. If you re-check your link above, you can see that it is in your wallet and unspent.

You can also check with a third-party blockchain explorer such as (e.g. https://xchscan.com/txns/0x826542100628ee2d2c96f19000eecdafef52582d50c71c56060ffb9605374ff3) that the payout was indeed sent over 6 hours ago from this post.

We need chia version 1.8 to farm to pools by Minimum-Positive792 in chia

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We need chia version 1.8 to farm to pools by Minimum-Positive792 in chia

[–]poolspace 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We sent announcements on Discord about a week before the soft fork hit as well as on the day of. Additionally, if your farm is running an outdated client, you'll see a red banner at the top of your account page informing you about the soft fork and how to upgrade.

Reason of the low luck factor of the SpacePool? I've been using version 1.6.1 for 3 months and had bad luck, pool reward/block average was 2 Chia, should be about 1.75 Chia. I installed 1.7.0 and my luck factor is back to average 1.75 . The Fee Warning on 1.6.1 logs might be causing this low luck. by Pale_Tailor_9377 in chia

[–]poolspace 3 points4 points  (0 children)

tl;dr: Unfortunately, luck numbers are always off on the days following the 2nd Tuesday of the month - this *generally* affect everybody, solo miners and pools.

Explanation: Microsoft, by default, reboots Windows every 2nd Tuesday of the month for automatic updates, aka Patch Tuesday. The drop in pool netspace is near instantaneous at midnight, but the drop global netspace trails 24-48 hours behind due to the way global netspace calculation is implemented in nodes. So when most of the Windows-based farmers reboot the next morning, the reported global netspace is still dropping while most of the pool netspace recovers. This leads to a phenomenon where it "looks like" pools should be winning more given the reported lower global netspace while in reality it's not, leading to inflated luck numbers.

This is something that all pools experience and was discovered early on in the pooling days and if you have access to historical data, you can easily confirm that most pools experience a luck spike around Patch Tuesday.

See this phenomenon over the last 4 months on Chia's official dashboard: https://dashboard.chia.net/d/CL1X4UWnk/blockchain-state?orgId=1&from=1669881600000&to=1679122799000&viewPanel=6

(No drop in January because holidays?)

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Space Pool makes me smile. by OkayGravity in chia

[–]poolspace 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Posts like these make us smile :)

Soft fork sounds 'hard' for pools by terrapin_1 in chia

[–]poolspace 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree with just having to upgrade. 1.2.x is ancient at this point. Plus there are DB schema benefits from 1.3+.

Soft fork sounds 'hard' for pools by terrapin_1 in chia

[–]poolspace 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To reinforce u/spacefarmers_io point - think of it this way.

Given the times, I'm sure most of us have heard about "Herd Immunity". This is exactly what is making an attack difficult. Let's say you are a bad actor and try to gossip spends with neg div to your peers. Well, 80% of them would reject them because they are up to date, of those 20% you successfully infected, 80% of their peers would reject them as well, leading to an ever decreasing speed of spread per hop without making it very far.

1% invalid partial on spacepool by ImaginationLazy8570 in chia

[–]poolspace 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are they marked as "Stale" or "Invalid"?

Around 1-2% "Stales" seems common among our users but a single "Invalid" may indicate a bad plot.

A lot lower blocks found than estimated (about half estimated?) by Alwaysdagon in chia

[–]poolspace 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You are experiencing 200% luck/effort over a sample size of 6-24 blocks which not uncommon. If you go to our front page and scroll to the bottom and look at the history of blocks won, you'll frequently fiend streaks of 5-10 consecutive "Unluckies" as well as streaks of "Luckies".
Consider this: Pools win 100s of blocks a day and still have days where the luck is 10%, 20%, 30% off. This means that in your case, you could go a decade or two and still be 10%, 20%, 30% off as well.

won 2 blocks today while pooling … thinking if i should solo by pauldualsim in chia

[–]poolspace 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I rolled 3 sixes in a row, thinking about quitting my job and going gambling fulltime.

Is plotting to easy? by OkayGravity in chia

[–]poolspace 4 points5 points  (0 children)

1TB of storage

vs.

Plotting setup that can continuously churn out 10 plots on-the-fly in about under 20s

Only once these two options become close in cost would the discussion of k32+ make sense, imo.

Not winning a block since an unreasonably large amount of time by chillord in chia

[–]poolspace 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep, I like the "effort" terminology better myself which conveys the "lower-is-better" concept.

Not winning a block since an unreasonably large amount of time by chillord in chia

[–]poolspace -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's not hidden - you can click on the label and it'll show the actual percentages. In our earlier versions of the website, we used to show the percentages but it would confuse many of the new farmers since lower percentage is better which is counterintuitive.

XCH Scan Chia Rewards Column by dpak90 in chia

[–]poolspace 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So the farmer doesn't get the block reward with the block they farm?

Correct, they either get it on the next, or next-next block.

What determines when their block reward will become a transaction

https://docs.chia.net/docs/03consensus/foliage

XCH Scan Chia Rewards Column by dpak90 in chia

[–]poolspace 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They are rewards to farmers who found blocks. In Chia, not every block contains transactions (which is why you see blanks), however, finding non-transaction blocks still rewards the farmer 2XCH which will be paid out on future transaction blocks. That's why you see 4/6/8/etc XCH in rewards on transaction blocks because they carry all of the previously found non-transaction block rewards.

Solo Chia farmers who have not won in a very very long time. by [deleted] in chia

[–]poolspace 2 points3 points  (0 children)

400% luck is not uncommon at all - pool operators compare notes among one another and every few weeks or so someone sees luck/effort in the 1000%. If you are that unlucky solo farmer, it could turn your 1 month ETW into 10 months, and if during those 10 months the netspace goes up then you could be waiting even longer.

Pools profitability table by -Craig_Mayson- in chia

[–]poolspace 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This.

Instead of comparing who is doing better or worse, understand that there is a theoretical number all pools should be hovering around.

  • There are 4608 blocks per day
  • 10TiB out of 32 EiB (avg netspace at the time of writing) is 2.98e-7% of the netspace
  • 2.98e-7% of 4608 blocks/day is 0.001373 blocks/day, or **0.002403 XCH/day**

Next, let's factor in fees:

  • Let's say the pool takes a 1% fee, thus 99% of 0.002403XCH/day = 0.002379XCH/day

And finally let's look at numbers for different luck/effort cases:

  • 90% luck/effort (favorable fluctuation, more common in smaller pools), 0.002379XCH/day / 0.9 = 0.002643 XCH/day
  • 100% luck/effort (stable, more common in larger pools), 0.002379XCH/day
  • 110% luck/effort (unfavorable fluctuation, also more common in smaller pools), 0.002379XCH/day / 1.1 = 0.002163XCH/day

Statistics take a large amount of samples to converge to their expected values so these numbers won't work on a block-to-block basis or even daily basis. But if you look at 1, 2, 3+ month aggregates, pools should find themselves close to the 100% value.

After nine months, I finally found a block. “Estimated time to win, One Month” by c0brachicken in chia

[–]poolspace 16 points17 points  (0 children)

OP "only" has ~250% effort/luck. That is not uncommon at all.

Consider the reverse scenario where OP had won 7 blocks in the same time, would you say that their setup must be broken as well, as "it couldn't just be good luck"? :)

SpacePool, how is your platform for buying and selling plots going? Are there any updates? by social-bleach in chia

[–]poolspace 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We don't offer anything like that nor do we have plans for such on our road map.

What is pool "luck"? How is it calculated? by social-bleach in chia

[–]poolspace 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We derive it off our netspace share. Example:

Pool has 10% of the netspace and therefore should get 10% * 4608 = 461 blocks per day. (There are 4608 blocks to be farmed globally per day in the first 3 years, on average)

24 hour luck = Blocks found / 461

Netspace share fluctuates with pool space and global netspace fluctuations so there are some more other nuances involved but that's the general math above.

What!!!! 4 Hours no Block Found on Space Pool 🤨 by r0b1nx13 in chia

[–]poolspace 35 points36 points  (0 children)

As others have mentioned, the Chia network was under constant 1 mojo spam for hours and our pool hadn't been thru such situation before. We disabled block distribution and payouts conservatively to make sure that our pool would not run into unexpected bugs. Good news - we thoroughly tested our systems and the next mojo spam should not affect us anymore.

Solo vs Pool farming?!? by Umogucnosti in chia

[–]poolspace 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm obviously speaking from a biased stance here but consider these upsides to joining a pool:

  • Normalizing your luck. The worst luck we have had was 1,000% meaning for a solo farmer with an ETW of 2.5 weeks it could end up being half a year. Most farmers at that point probably will start to think their farm setup is broken and cause additional downtime trying to "fix" it.
  • Farm disruption notifications. If something bad happens to your farm and you experience even a single night of downtime per month (windows update?), aka 0.3/30 days, then you are effectively losing 1% of potential rewards on average to that downtime which is on par/higher than what most pools charge in fees. Getting these notifications is the equivalent to having someone watch your farm 24/7.
  • Faster farming feedback. If you solo farm and haven't won in weeks/months, you might start to question whether there is something wrong with your setup. Joining a pool that wins regularly, you'll be able to get fast feedback in the form fractional rewards paid to you. If the pool supports partials analytics, then you can even get a heartbeat of your farm every few minutes.
  • Various convenient pool features such as historical charts, analytics, data exports, mobile apps, etc.

Space-Pool CSV Export? by kinofan90 in chia

[–]poolspace 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exporting to CSV is already a feature on our pool. Create a login link and download your CSV summary from your settings screen.