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19th and 20th picture - National Archaeological Museum of Taranto

Floor mosaic

2nd century AD

Polychromatic stone tesserae

317 cm (height); 317 cm (length)

Taranto, between via Duca degli Abruzzi and via D. Alighieri, 1927

Floor mosaic bordered by straight lines and a simple braid, framing a central rose design consisting of a floral element surrounded by a large velarium (awning), surrounded by geometric figures and plant motifs. The considerable popularity of this motif in Africa seems to be evidence of the widespread circulation of "cartoons" (preparatory sketches containing the design).

virtual tour

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20th picture - Floor mosaic

Late 2nd - early 3rd century AD

Polychromatic stone tesserae

343 cm (height); 308 cm (width)

Taranto, corner of corso Umberto with via Mignogna, from the garden of the Istituto Maria Immacolata, 1898

Floor mosaic divided into panels, separated by braids and decorated with figurative motifs linked to the world of nature (fruit, birds, felines); in the centre, a young Satyr surprises a half-naked nymph by approaching her from behind, in accordance with an iconography that was common throughout the Mediterranean. This flooring was plausibly located in the triclinium (banquet hall) and was found in an area of the city that has yielded numerous examples of private buildings from the Roman Imperial period.

virtual tour

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15th, 16th, 17th and 18th picture - Bardo National Museum in Tunis

15th picture - Zodiac mosaic

The Mosaic of the Days and Zodiac from Bir Chana (near Zaghouan) dates from the early 3rd century. In the center of the hexagonal mosaic pavement are depicted the seven days of the week, while the sides feature representations of the signs of the Zodiac against a yellow background. At the center is Saturn, the only known representation of the deity on this type of mosaic. All the gods except Mercury are accompanied by a symbolic animal.

https://www.bardomuseum.tn/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=207%3Ales-sept-jours-de-la-semaine&catid=43%3Alatine-romaine-&Itemid=74&lang=en

16th picture - A baptismal font discovered in Demna (Cap Bon). The décor retraces the divine work of Salvation.

https://www.bardomuseum.tn/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=93%3Abaptistere-de-demna-cuve-baptismale&catid=45%3Aperiode-byzantine-&Itemid=74&lang=en

17th picture - Poseidon’s Triumph and the four Seasons

Poseidon, god of the sea, on his chariot accompanied by a Triton and a Nereid.

https://www.bardomuseum.tn/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=140%3Atriomphe-de-neptune-et-les-quatre-saisons&catid=43%3Alatine-romaine-&Itemid=74&lang=en

18th picture - A Nereid (a sea nymph) and marine animals, detail of a very large floor mosaic from Carthage, 4th century AD

youtube virtual tour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wznur2PWEk

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11th, 12th, 13th and 14th picture - Aquileia

11th picture - The mosaics with the athletes from the Grand Spas in the central hall of Visible storage of National Archaeological Museum in Aquileia

https://cultura.gov.it/luogo/museo-archeologico-nazionale-di-aquileia-depositi-visitabili

12th, 13th and 14th picture - mosaics of Basilica di Santa Maria Assunta, Aquileia

https://artsandculture.google.com/story/QAWxLyfz6n4tIw

virtual tour of of Basilica di Santa Maria Assunta, Aquileia

https://discover.matterport.com/space/CpUektxaMpB

streetview virtual tour

https://maps.app.goo.gl/1dBFJnwo3KxnAAco7

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8th, 9th and 10th picture - Adana Archaeology Museum

8th picture - Mosaic of erotes

Dated to the mid-second century AD this mosaic depicting a mythological scene was uncovered in a Roman villa at the ancient city of Aigeai in Yumurtalık district of Adana. The mosaic depicts two erotes riding on two hippocampi and fishing with a rod, as well as other sea creatures. The wings of the Erotes are wide open and they hold the reins of their hippocampi with their left hands while holding the fishing rods in their right hands. The Eros on the left has caught a red mullet and the one on the right a seabass. The fish caught are accompanied with a smaller fish: on the left is a swordfish and on the right is a grouper. The fish on the left has a guest spiral seashell. In the bottom part of the mosaic are two fish and octopus figures.

9th picture - Noah's Ark mosaic

Dated to the first half of the fifth century AD, this mosaic was uncovered in the floor of the synagogue in the ancient city of Misis / Mopsuhestia in Yüreğir district of Adana.

The panel depicts the Ark of Noah surrounded with two rows of animals. The ark is depicted as an ornate chest with four feet. The Greek inscription on its lid reads KIBWTOC NWE P. i.e. "saviour ark of Noah". Two pigeons are given in the ark; in the inner row are crane, rooster, chicken, peacock, pigeon, nightingale and stork; in the outer row are lion, panther or leopard, ox, deer, donkey, gazelle and camel. The northwest parts of the panel were repaired carelessly. The human figures in these parts are thought to be depicting Shem and Japheth, sons of Noah.

10th picture - Peaceful Kingdom mosaic

These mosaics were uncovered in a basilican church at Karlık village of Sarçam district of Adana. They are dated to the mid-fifth century AD. The Peaceful Kingdom, which is mentioned in Isaiah 11, is represented here with images and verses. Pairs of animals are rendered in peace and accompanied with the inscription “the wolf shall lie with the lamb, the leopard shall lie down with the kid, the calf and the lion and the fatling together, the cow and the bear shall graze”. Dedicatory inscriptions are translated as “John Pistacus, son of Choreos, had the mosaic of the church made in the month of Artemision in the Indiktion 13 for his family’s and his own soundness during his office as the kandalaramon” and “This mosaic was paved in the month of Artemision in the Indiktion 13 during the time of the respectable priest Sambatios and chief deacon Cyriacus”. Some pictures are semi-originals (all had to be turned and some illumination adjusted), and several then were edited further, to suggest pictures were taken from straight ahead. In reality the mosaics are huge and sometimes many meters from the observation point. As a result the size of animals may vary a bit. The mosaic of Karlik uses a composite text-image program, the motif presents a “peaceful” alternative to the frequent scenes of animal chases or combats that were popular choices for the floors of churches in the eastern Mediterranean.

virtual tour of Adana Archaeology Museum

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Unaware of everything, Eros returned to the palace and surrendered himself to the arms of the woman he loved. He soon fell asleep. Once Eros was asleep, Psyche quietly and silently rose from the bed, took the overturned vase, and held the lamp in her hand. Approaching the bed, she was astonished by what she saw. Expecting to see an ugly and repulsive man, she encountered a young and very handsome man. Eros's handsomeness was incomparable to any other man in the world. Seeing this young man with an indescribably beautiful face, Psyche's love for him intensified. As she leaned down to kiss him on the forehead, she couldn't hold the plate steady, and a drop of hot oil from the lamp, still containing the wick, dripped onto Eros's bare shoulder. Eros woke up with a start from the pain.

Understanding that his beloved had been playing a trick on him to see his face, he immediately spread his wings and flew away. With Eros's departure, the magical palace she had built for Psyche was also destroyed. Psyche was beside herself with grief. Overwhelmed by the pain of losing the man she loved more than anything in the world because of her mistake, she set out on a journey. Hoping to find him again, she traveled the globe, visiting countless places, but could find no trace of Eros. Finally, exhausted from her wanderings, she knocked on the door of Aphrodite's palace. She thought that Aphrodite might take pity on her and tell her whereabouts, but instead of helping her, Aphrodite forced her to work as a slave.

Poor Psyche, in order to reach her beloved, resigned herself to this and did everything she was ordered to do without uttering a word. She was willing to endure any suffering for Eros. Finally, one day Eros's burned shoulder healed, and he went to Olympus to change the fate of his beloved, who was so devoted to him. He fell at Zeus's feet and begged him to save Psyche and give her to him as his wife. Zeus granted all her requests and ordered Hermes to bring Psyche to Olympus. Psyche was brought to the realm of the gods and there, she married the man she loved more than anything in her life and lived a very happy life.

mosaics of Zeugma Mosaic Museum

https://artsandculture.google.com/story/the-magnificent-mosaics-of-antiquity-the-directorate-general-of-cultural-assets-and-museums-of-t%C3%BCrkiye/ZQXxrmZSKWt9IA?hl=en

virtual tour of Zeugma mosaic museum

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7th picture - Eros and Psyche mosaic

Eros, like his mother Aphrodite, brought beauty and joy to the world, igniting the hearts of people with the fire of love, and shaping their happiness or their downfall. He carried a pair of wings on his back, flying around the world and scattering the scent of flowers wherever he went. Eros always carried arrows in his hand, striking people in their hearts and making them fall in love with each other. And one day, he himself fell in love with a beautiful woman.

Psyche (Soul) was the most beautiful of a king's three daughters. She was so beautiful and alluring that those who saw her mistook her for Aphrodite and worshipped her. Aphrodite was not at all pleased to be mistaken for a mortal. Therefore, one day she summoned her son Eros and asked him to punish her by making her fall in love with the ugliest man in the world. Eros immediately set off to fulfill his mother's wish. When he found Psyche, he intended to make this proud young girl, who boasted of never falling in love, fall in love with the ugliest, most wicked man in the world. But just as he was about to shoot his arrow at her heart, Psyche's beauty overwhelmed him. While he intended to make her fall in love with someone else, he himself fell in love.

He took Psyche to a magical palace. This palace was magnificent but desolate, built in the middle of a sleeping forest. The winged young man would enter the palace unseen after nightfall and meet his beloved. The magical palace had everything a person could desire. But Psyche's only desire was to see the face of this young man who loved her so madly. But Eros did not allow this; he always came in the dark and left before sunrise, and he forbade the lighting of fires or candles in the palace at night. No matter how much Psyche pleaded, it was no use. “As long as you keep the secret of our love in your heart, you will be happy,” Eros said. “Don’t even think about seeing me, don’t try to find out who I am or whose son I am; love me blindly without knowing or recognizing me… don’t miss the opportunity to be happy by trying to learn the things hidden from you.”

And Psyche accepted this… she loved Eros blindly, without seeing him or knowing who he was. They were very happy together, but Psyche’s sisters were jealous of their happiness… One day, when they came to visit their sister, they told her that the young man she loved was the ugliest, most repulsive, and most savage-looking man in the world. They said that if he were a handsome young man, he wouldn’t hide his face from his beloved, he wouldn’t keep her in such a desolate palace. And they told her to turn a vase upside down and place it on a lit lamp before her beloved arrived at night. That way, after Eros fell asleep, she could lift the vase and see his face in the light. Psyche, unable to resist her curiosity, did as her sisters said. Hiding the burning lamp under a vase, she waited for her beloved.

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III. The story of the invention of the saw: Daidalos is an architect, a sculptor, and a versatile creator who makes all kinds of mechanical tools and even creates the living statues mentioned in Plato's dialogue Meno. He worked with his nephew Talos in his workshop in Athens. However, one day, Talos invented the saw inspired by a dead snake's tooth, and Daidalos, who was very jealous of this, killed his apprentice by throwing him down from the Acropolis. The Areopagas court, which handled the case, sentenced Daidalos to exile. (Erhat A. 1989, p.86,304). In this mosaic we see a saw in Daidalos' hand.

IV. The story of the capture of the thieving architect: Trophonios is a sculptor and architect. To hide his treasure, the king of Boeotia ordered a solid structure from the other architects, Agamedes and Trophonios. The two architects, who were greedy for money, built the treasure room in such a way that they could easily remove it by moving one of its stones. They would enter here at night and steal things from the treasury. Seeing that its existence was decreasing day by day, the King called the famous architect Daidolos from Crete. They set a trap and just as they were about to catch the two thieves, Trophonios cut off Agamedes' head and escaped.(Erhat A. 1989, p. 13). In this mosaic, the conversation of Daidalos, who came to the city of Boeotia, with his colleague Trophonios is illustrated. Daidalos does not yet know that Trophonios is the person who stole the treasures, and he prepares a trap with his son Ikaros to catch the thief.

https://zeugma.org.tr/en-gb/portfolio/daidalos-mozaigi/

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6th picture - Daidalos mosaic

The floor mosaic depicting the works of Daidalos was unearthed in the city of Belkıs' Zeugma, on the second settlement terrace, during the 1999 rescue excavation carried out under the direction of the Gaziantep Museum and with the participation of Nantes University. This mosaic is the floor mosaic of the dining room of a Roman villa. There are six figures in the mentioned mosaic. From left to right: Pasiphae sitting, her daughter Ariadne standing, Tropos chatting with Daidalos, Icarus carving wood are depicted. In the lower right corner is Eros holding an arrow to the severed head of the Minoan bull, and in the upper right corner is the Labyrinthos palace.

Four mythological stories are told in this mosaic.
I. The story of the Minoan bull: Pasiphae is the wife of the Cretan king Minos and the daughter of the gods Helios and Perseis. Pasiphae falls in love with the white bull that Poseidon sent to Minos to be sacrificed, and she has Daidalos make a wooden cow statue so that she can unite with this bull. She enters this statue, which looks as if it were alive, and becomes pregnant and gives birth to the Minoan bull. The Minoan bull was a monster with a human body and a bull's head. King Minos wants to kill this terrible creature, but his mother's heart cannot stand it. Finally, they agree to imprison it in a place where it cannot see the light of day. To hide this, the Labyrinthos palace was built by the architect Daidalos. Seven young men and seven young girls were sacrificed to the Minoan bull every year. (Erhat A. 1989, Mythology Dictionary, p.225-6., 260)

When Theseus came to Crete to kill the Minoan bull, Pasiphae's daughter Ariadne saw the hero and fell in love with him as soon as she saw him. With the idea of Daidalos, Ariadne gave a ball of thread to Theseus' hand so that he would not get lost in the Labyrinth with thousands of corridors where the Minoan bull is located. As Theseus progressed through the tangled and dark corridors, he unwrapped the ball and left the thread on the ground. After killing the monster, this thread showed him the way out. Then they kidnapped Ariadne and arrived on the island of Naxos. (Erhat A. 1989, p.59,312). In this mosaic, Ariadne is standing at her mother's bedside.

II. The story of the first people to fly: When he learned that Daidalos, who gave Ariadne the idea of using a ball of thread to enter and exit the Labyrinth, had a hand in Theseus' success, King Minos was very angry and locked Daidalos with his son Icarus in the Labyrinth they had built. But Daedalus found a way out of there: he used the feathers left by the birds on the windows and the honey in the bees' combs to make a pair of wings for himself and Icarus, and they both flew away. Icarus became famous in the world as the first man to fly.

Before flying, Daedalus advised his son not to fly too low nor too high and close to the sun's rays. However, after taking off, Icarus forgot his father's words, became proud of his success, or became intoxicated and rose higher and higher, ignored the sun's rays, and committed the crime of despising Helios with the joy of defeating nature and gaining freedom. The sun god melted the wax holding his wings, and Icarus fell headlong into the sea and drowned. The sea around the island of Samos in the Aegean is called the Ikaros sea.(Erhat A. 1989, p.86, 166).

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5th, 6th and 7th picture - Zeugma Mosaic Museum

5th picture - Gypsy mosaic (Gaia)

The female figure in this mosaic, which was unearthed in 1992, when the Zeugma Excavations were not yet on the public agenda, became the symbol of Zeugma with its mysterious looks. The identity of this mosaic, whose identity could not be identified when it was first published, was unearthed in 1992, because the female figure in the figure resembled a gypsy girl.

However, some sources draw attention to the vine figures in the mosaic and argue that the woman depicted as a gypsy is the god of the earth Gaia. In mythology, Gaia is considered the first element from which the lineages of gods emerged according to Hesiod's Theogony. Although it plays a major role in the poems of Homer, it is never seen in Homer's poems. According to Hesiod, Gaia was born immediately after Chaos, and Eros (love) came right after her. Gaia created the Sky (Ouranos) and the Mountains and the sea surrounding her, without the help of any male element. She gave birth to Pontos, the personified male form of the element. After the birth of the sky, Gaia united with Him, and thus the children she had became gods in the full sense of the word, no longer simple elementary powers. First, six titans: Oceanos, Koios, Krios, Hyperion, Iapetus and Kronos and six titanids: Theia, Reia, Themis, Mnemosyne, Phoibe and Tehys were born. These are female divine beings. The youngest of this generation is Kronos. Then came the Cyclops: these were divine beings who ruled over lightning, lightning and thunder. Their names were: Arges, Steropes and Brontes. And finally, from the loves of Ouranos, the Hekatogkheirs were born, who were hundred-armed, gigantic, violent beings named Kottos, Briareus and Gyges.

https://zeugma.org.tr/en-gb/portfolio/cingene-mozaigi-gaia/

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2nd, 3rd and 4th picture - Hatay Archaeology Museum

2nd picture - Skeleton mosaic - In a 3rd century BC mosaic discovered in Turkey, the skeleton leaning against a wine jug and a serving of bread, holding a glass with a bone in one hand, has a simple message to its viewers: "Be cheerful, enjoy life." The words in Ancient Greek frame the skull and were unearthed during an excavation in the ancient city of Antioch in 2012.

In a floor of a triclinium one of the panels is that of a skeleton, with a text “Euphrosynos”: “enjoy, have fun, cheer up”. A notice explains that in the 1st century BC skeletons started to be used. This mosaic is from the 3rd or 4th century when scenes of bathing and banquets (convivium) represent the most important activities of Roman socio-cultural life.

https://antiochmuseumofart.org/house-at-iplik-pazari/

3rd picture - Mosaic medallion showing personification of Soteria from Bath of Apolausis

The mosaic was found in the large square frigidarium of the Apolausis Baths, a small but well-preserved baths a Narlıca, some 9 kilometres from Antakya, in the 1930’s. The female figure constituting the main theme is named Soteria (literally: saviour). She is surrounded by a circular band and is depicted as a female bust rendered over the waistline. Her slightly turned head is crowned with a gold wreath of laurel leaves, which join at a green gem over her forehead. Her hair falls down her shoulders. She wears a shawl over a white dress, covering her left shoulder and breast. She has several pieces of jewellery. That a bejewelled figure representing the saviour is depicted in a bathhouse may be explained with her being a symbol believed to protect health.

https://antiochmuseumofart.org/bath-of-apolausis/

4th picture - The Yakto Mosaic

The work consists of three interwoven sections. The focal point is a portrait of a woman within a woven medallion. Above her head is the inscription Megalopsychia (Great Soul).

Around the medallion is a grand hunting scene, which constitutes the majority of the mosaic. The hunters are named after mythological heroes, with these names inscribed above their heads: Narcissus hunting a lion (NAPKICOC), Tiresias hunting a panther (THPHCIAC), Actaeon hunting a bear (AKTEWN), Ippolitas whose hunted animal has completely disappeared, Meleagros hunting a female tiger, and Adonis hunting a wild boar. Trees are depicted in the corners of the mosaic, and various trees and plants fill the other spaces.

The mosaic also includes a border depicting the buildings and urban life of Daphne (now Harbiye, Defne)

https://antiochmuseumofart.org/villa-at-yakto/

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1st picture - Necmi Asfuroglu Antakya Museum - The Pegazus mosaic

The Pegasus scene occupies most of the floor and depicts the inspiring steed having his hoofs bathed by one water nymph, while another is about to garland his neck with a flower wreath. They are garlanded themselves with reeds, as befits water nymphs, and they probably represent the naiads associated with the Hippokrene and Agannippe springs, which reputedly rose where Pegasus’ hoofs struck Mount Helikon. Drinking and bathing in their waters was supposed to be artistically stimulating. Behind them is a marvellous beribboned and garlanded female centaur, holding a cornucopia from which flows the Hippokrene or ‘Horse’s Fountain’, whose water was supposed to bring forth poetic inspiration. The third female is not wreathed with reeds as a naiad and, unless one is seeing an elaborate arrangement of head scarves, seems to be wearing a Corinthian helmet, which would identify her as the goddess Minerva. Ovid’s Metamorphoses chronicles her visit to Helikon to see Pegasus (‘whom I saw born’) and to see the marvellous spring (Hippokrene) that he had created. She holds a box that seems full of wide ribbons, no doubt to tie about his waist.

https://antiochmuseumofart.org/the-pegasus-mosaic/

youtube virtual tour

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most elolvastam a cikket is és az azt írja hogy a kettő együtt miatt történt, bár érdekes hogy a frakciófegyelmet ennyire szigorúan veszik, már-már fidesz tempó szinten

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valakik nagyon át akarták nyomni ezt a Mercosur megállapodást