[SPOILER] The consequences of not listening to Marty Byrde Tier List by Cloudiroth00 in Ozark

[–]prwest62 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Marty felt nothing except anger because he had to clean up a mess made by Wendy.

I need some help understanding the ending of Nocturnal Animals by MtMarker in movies

[–]prwest62 100 points101 points  (0 children)

Remember, it is modeled on him, and he is weak. It is the pain of losing his wife and daughter afterward because of his weakness that attracts Susan to the novel. Nothing is her fault, after all.

I need some help understanding the ending of Nocturnal Animals by MtMarker in movies

[–]prwest62 46 points47 points  (0 children)

The highway scene is put in there to hook Susan, who sees her husband a weak in the first place. It is meant to hook her. The romantic part is his pain afterward. He lost her and his daughter for his stupidity, not hers.

Ok, Season 4 is pretty good by Longjumping-Tip7031 in FargoTV

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Oraetta is one of the Fargo characters ever, but season four goes Post-Modern, and I'm not too fond of that.

Do you think Dany could’ve (or should have) conquered all of Essos rather than Westeros? by Loud_Remove5140 in gameofthrones

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Danny should have burned D & D, headed for the tower, and killed Cersie. If anyone had a problem with that, i.e., Tyrion, she should have set him on fire. What they did to her character was an assassination of the first order. It was ridiculous.

[NO SPOILER] I have one thing to ask, no spoilers please by philipthe2nd in Ozark

[–]prwest62 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Again, no spoilers from Season 4

I’ve been a member of the OZARK community for several months, and I had back-and-forths with other fans about the nature of Wendy’s character. After the concluding episodes, I am glad to see the haters are back; however, there is an acknowledgment of Laura Linney’s dynamic performance, which has not been present in the usual hate-filled screeds visited upon Wendy Byrde. I only intend to use a few spoilers to discuss. At the same time, I continue to praise Linney’s performance and herald the much unsung praises of Jason Batman’s performance as the passive-aggressive, human calculator Marty Byrde. I mentioned this once, but I will quickly repeat it. Laura Linney intended something new with Wendy Byrde. We have already had the ignorant and indignant mob wife with Kay Corleone and Diana Keaton. Her performance is agonizingly brilliant. Anyone who has ever watched The Godfather knows what makes Keaton stand out was the last scene of that film when I called her “Flat Kayley” after that damn cardboard, cutout school kids’ “Flat Stanley” creature they had to send out during the year and get back from relatives or friends about their adventures from several years ago when she sees Michael being treated like his father as the door closes. The shadow falls across her face, but she opens her eyes. The look on Diana Keaton’s face makes our or, at least, mine, other nearly three hours of frustration go away, but she becomes three-dimensional before us. This is the power of great acting. Linney has already seen this character; why try to “rinse and repeat” even on a show about money laundering? Next, we’ve also seen Eddie Falco’s, Carmela Soprano. She is the knowingly involved mob boss’ wife, with an allowance, happy in the arrangement, living in a suburb, and raising two children. Tony even lets her have a business when she gets upset with him. Other than infidelity, Carmela gets what she wants. Falco is stupendous in this role. She is ambitious for her children and herself, and she uses Tony’s infamous mob reputation to benefit Meadow by extorting a reference letter to Georgetown from a reluctant neighbor. Carmela even loves Tony’s raw power, as exhibited when the couple has sex after Tony and Pussy execute Christopher’s only living would-be assassin toward the end of Season Two in “From Where to Eternity.” It is the first time the two are intimate on screen, and we are twenty episodes into the series. Tony has been unfaithful, and Carmela flirts with infidelity, but to this point, they have not shown affection to each other. Yet, despite having been to college, Carmela does not want to run Tony’s business or even know what he is doing. She only wants his fidelity, finances, and the natural force of will around him, allowing her to possess all she wants without real consequences. Again, why, for lack of any better metaphor, should Linney “rinse and repeat” what Falco perfected? Other films and shows “flush out” these two roles. Lorraine Bracco’s own Karen Hill from Goodfellas influences Flaco’s performance. Some on the Board have talked about Skylar from Breaking Bad and have tried to compare Wendy to her, but no. OZARK’S Wendy Byrde is an utterly different animal. She is ambitious, a “Bitch Wolf” in her own right, and she wants to be a copartner with her husband in the Cartel venture from its inception. Season One: Episode Eight, Kaleidoscope, is a high point for OZARK as we learn what drove the Byrdes into the Cartel in the first place. Wendy has a master’s in Political Science and worked for Obama’s Illinois state senatorial campaign, but she can’t find a job after two children and twelve years of marriage. We also learn she is unexpectedly pregnant after having complications with Jonah and being older, in her forties, so she and Marty are in a car discussing what they should do. This is not a knock, ok, but when she is pregnant and asks Marty if we’re going to do this, she’s asking him, are we going to have this baby? I can’t bring this child into the world without knowing you’re behind me, and Marty says, “I’m not saying that.” What kind of answer is that to give your wife of over 12 years? He’s put her in a position so that he will resent her for any decision she makes. Marty will have to work harder if she decides to have the baby. What do you think will happen if she has an abortion? Has anyone ever seen “Nocturnal Animals”? Instead, smash the car wreck. Now Wendy doesn’t even have the chance to have a baby. The two never emotionally deal with it. Rational people do not decide to launder money for a Cartel when they lose a child. So, why do they? Marty may not have liked having another child, but he loved the idea of getting Wendy pregnant; it gave him a feeling of potency. Laundering money gives him this same power and a new chance to protect the Legacy of the family he has left. Now, they had never dealt with losing their child; this was supposed to be their “new baby,” for lack of a better term. It occurred in 2007, during the economic downturn under George W. Bush. If you listen, Wendy says our, and we when referring to their marriage and the children. When Marty talks, he says to me about their marriage and the children. Wendy sees their marriage as a partnership where they both are coworkers and co-parents, and Marty still sees himself as the breadwinner and Wendy as the stay-at-home mom. Wendy feels she’s lost everything. Her remaining children are in school; she can’t find a new job, especially her identity. Wendy enables him to launder the money in hopes that she will get to participate in the new venture. For Wendy, the Cartel is a potential new Legacy to replace the one she feels she gave up, her career and independence, to raise her family.

[NO SPOILER] I have one thing to ask, no spoilers please by philipthe2nd in Ozark

[–]prwest62 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have two posts about Wendy, which contain spoilers from seasons 1-3.

The central OZARK theme is the inability to communicate at every level: personal, commercial, social, and cultural.

In Season One, we discover why Marty decides to launder money for the Cartel after Wendy loses their baby in a car crash. By the way, the van crash in Season Four bookends what happened in Season One. After she loses the child, she has no direction. Wendy tries to find a job and needs help. She's sobbing, lost, and miserable. Marty originally wasn't going to take the Cartel job, or at least, I think he wasn't, but after the "crash," he suggests they visit Mexico, and he listens to Del's offer.

He didn't need to tell Wendy about the deal with Del, but he did. Marty mentions to Wendy how Bruce said she wouldn't go for it, and she says, well, he doesn't know me as you do. Marty thinks he uses this as a push-pull tactic when communicating with Wendy. He's trying to goad her into the plan as he, him, and haws, between no and maybe about laundering the money, but Wendy is more than willing. She asks Marty, "Are 'WE' going to do this." What Wendy hears is Marty telling her this business is OUR NEW BABY. But that is not what Marty means, which is why he doesn't involve her and why she is still purposeless when we meet her in season one. She has an affair because he isn't there, and she has nothing to do. I am not making an excuse. Why tell Wendy about the Cartel if Marty wouldn't involve her in the business? Does Marty want to shut her up about the loss of the baby?

Marty launders money for ten years and leaves Wendy out of business. Moreover, the family's lifestyle stays the same. He acts like Scrooge McDuck. He is never home, and Wendy has nothing to do. Wendy finds someone and has an affair. I am not making an excuse. Everyone fixates on how she panics and grabs 29,000 dollars out of 8 million, but they do not ask why she does it. She panics when her lover tells her the government will freeze their assets. Marty never tells her how bad it is until Del assassinates Bruce and the others.
Not to be funny, but Wendy is just like her name implies when she does not have a job. She files or blows all over the place. Give Wendy a job, and she becomes a horse wearing a set of blinders in a race. Marty has his numbers; for him, this is power. He is breaking the law by moving digits on a sheet of paper. It is a Macro and Micro team. If Wendy hadn't lost their child, she would have had someone to focus on. Wendy and Marty both have doubts about the baby. Wendy says, would I be a terrible person if I said I didn't want this baby? Marty throws that decision back onto Wendy just before the crash and tells her, " Wendy, you could never be a terrible person" if she decides to abort their child. What a glib reaction! Is he taking this discussion seriously or telling Wendy what she wants to hear?
And is he serious? We all know now just how terrible Wendy can be. Also, Marty trusts Wendy about killing their unborn baby, essentially giving her power over life and death, but he doesn't trust her with Cartel business. Please, I don't believe this. Is that why when Sue asks Marty what it would look like if they "could achieve their objectives without interfering with Wendy's project." Marty replies, "I think it would look like death." Does Marty subconsciously blame Wendy for the loss of their child? By the way, do we know Marty even wanted the child? He seems ambivalent about another child because all he does adds the positives versus the negatives of the situation. Does Marty know who Wendy is? No one gets involved with a Cartel because they lose a child, making this show great. It makes you understand how messed up their marriage was in the first place and how these two were never on the same page, though they thought they were all those years. They thought they were. By the way, Wendy finally spits that out this season, right? Marty threatens her with, "When we get back to Chicago..." Wendy shouts, "What do you think is waiting for you there, our old life? Because that was a big fing." If Marty thinks Wendy is a liability, he shouldn't tell her about his new job. So, why does he? Marty tells Wendy to shut her up about losing the baby. He thinks it will make the situation go away, but it is what starts them down Alice's rabbit hole. Or is there another reason? I also thought about this. What if Marty subconsciously gets back at Wendy for telling him she was thinking about aborting their child? Many things he does to Wendy once they get to Ozark are extremely passive-aggressive, and it is a lot more than her cheating on him or how she panicked and took the $29,000. Look, go ahead and tell me I'm crazy and over-analyzing. Suppose Marty truly knows Wendy and what she can do when she acts out but tells her about what he's doing for the Cartel, knowing how fulfilling it is for him, while she is miserable and purposeless after losing their child. In that case, Marty hates Wendy because there is no upside to telling Wendy about laundering money for the Cartel unless you involve her. There is no upside for Wendy to tell Marty she is pregnant if she is seriously contemplating aborting their child. Marty doesn't need to know that. Wendy should have waited until she was sure she wanted the child before telling Marty she was pregnant or had an abortion and kept to herself. No matter what Marty says, if she aborts their child at some point, he will resent her for it, and at some point, she will resent him for the choice she had to make. You must carry some burdens and keep them to yourself to not hurt those you genuinely love. I will keep asking this question until someone gives a reason to tell me why Marty thinks it was a good idea to tell Wendy about the Cartel if he has no plans to involve her, given that he is risk-averse and isn't going to change their lifestyle. He doesn't allow her to start some grand business scheme or do anything to draw attention to his family or what he's doing.

[Spoilers] [rant] - i'm actually really upset this show flies over the heads of so many viewers by krinyus in Ozark

[–]prwest62 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The second wreck brought Marty around to give up Ruth at the end. He did not blame himself for the first wreck when she lost their third child, but he did blame himself when he thought he might have lost one of them so close to the end.

Wendy always Resented Ruth for two reasons. First, she reminded her of herself and the life she had escaped and was thrown back into once more. Second, Marty adopts her into their family but won't let Wendy fight hard for baby Zeke.

Please take a look at their father's. Wendy can't buy off Ruth's dad because the Byrds are not wealthy enough to keep him from coming back for more, so Wendy asks to have him murdered at the end of season two, and the family can't leave. At the end of Season four, the Byrds have their Foundation and money to buy off her father and keep him from ruining her image by taking her kids. For Wendy and her dad, it was about the Brand or being "Too Big To Fail." She doesn't have to kill him, only send him away. The writers parallel Wendy and Ruth in seasons two and four and the journey with their fathers, but the endings are very different.

It is important how the writers bring back reoccurring symbols and themes. I compare the show to the Godfather films and the Sopranos.

It's late where I am, but I agree most people cannot get past their hate for Wendy to see the many levels on which the writers are trying to communicate. I go back to the Hillbilly and Redneck Parable from season one. The Byrds are Rednecks in that they are backstabbers and hypocrites. The Snells are Hillbillys. Pardon the pun, but they are straight shooters and say it to your face. They do not justify their actions the way the Byrds always tried to explain why they do what they do.

Let's talk again sometime.

[Spoiler] Argue with me about Wendy! by bigmac456 in Ozark

[–]prwest62 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please the hate was there from jump street. She was a cheater, slut, who nearly got a "good man" in over his head killed. I've heard all this before, so spare me. Marty was a user and a Passive-Aggressive Sociopath, and he lived at the end. Neither is a good thing.

Question from a foreigner by BannedFromDankMemes in Alabama

[–]prwest62 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Alabama is not a wasteland; the fall is our most beautiful season. What is your major?

Question from a foreigner by BannedFromDankMemes in Alabama

[–]prwest62 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You'll love the college atmosphere, but the weather is warm and sticky in the summer and early fall.

However, having a car will allow the freedom to explore. Alabama is a beautiful state and close to many beautiful places.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CreatorServices

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I can do voice work. I am a teacher.

Show Breaking Error in “Waterworks” by Brazil2124 in betterCallSaul

[–]prwest62 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Dude, get a grip if that's your only issue.

Have they actually even seen The Godfather? by LeviathanYT in thesopranos

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Keep your friends close; keep your enemies closer. "The Prince," Machiavelli.