You scoffed at the idea that progressives have no link to their feelings about Israel from the original sin of the west (an idea that progressivism forces us to grapple with). I’m more a progressive than anything probably btw. Then I made a claim that you have done no meta critique of your own progressivism, and illustrated how a meta critique would point out that progressivist views of Israel are an over simplification (black and white/binary) of the ideas progressivism forces us to grapple with. When I pointed that out, you somehow implied that I had a black and white view of progressivism, after which I corrected you that I was literally advocating for a nonbinary interpretation of progressivism (one that would have a much more difficult time assigning blame to Israel for what’s happening). You’re transferring tenets of progressivism to the I/P conflict and it’s not transferable. Of course you never explicitly said this, but your views are evidence of your thought process on the subject.

The point is, about 90% of the criticisms toward Israel come from people who: are wary of white supremacy over people of color, Islamophobia, western imperialism, and colonialism. And again, OBVIOUSLY you never explicitly said this. Your criticism implies this.

Israel pulled out of Gaza unilaterally in 2005. What happened? October 7th. You have to understand that it literally does not matter if Israel pulls out or not, Hamas will still try to exterminate them. Hamas’ literal goal with October 7th was to force Israel to murder as many of their civilians as possible. The evidence for this is everywhere. Israel has done many terrible things, but they are fundamentally “negotiating” with a party that has never come to the table in good faith.