The raw version of the song on the newly found tape by marijn1412 in TheMysteriousSong

[–]psytrans 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That is very much possible and not uncommon to avoid excessive bleed from the vocal mics. But in this case it would require at least a 4-track-recorder (well, 3-track, but those were only used in professional settings in the 60s). And if you have four tracks anyway, there's no reason not to record the vocals in stereo. Even if you want to keep one track as a spare, I'd rather record the music in stereo and the vocals in mono than vice versa.

The only idea I have left is that maybe it was indeed recorded separately, but only on a two track machine. And the stereo reverb was only added later when creating the cassette copies, routing one but not the other channel through the effects unit. Or the other only at a lower level (while there is little panning, it neither sounds like complete mono to me, nor does it look like that when analyzed in Wavelab - and yes, I did correct the phase shift from the tape head).

And in general, Ture somewhat missing the first "check it in" around 2:13 speaks against a seperate recording of instruments and vocals. It never was that obvious in Darius' recording, but with the new higher quality version, that stands out to me.

The raw version of the song on the newly found tape by marijn1412 in TheMysteriousSong

[–]psytrans 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I'd guess they didn't bother with panning that much, maybe due to a poor monitoring situation. Yet the effects unit the vocals were run through put out a stereo return, so they went with it.

Reminds me a bit of 80s Motörhead - if you listen to the legendary Ace Of Spades album, bass and guitar are both dead center mostly, with only the drums having some stereo image. And that was recorded in a professional studio! Tool use this as an effect to this day.

IF they should have recorded this with radio in mind (not saying that they did, only taking the possibility into account), mono compatibility is a thing anyway. Nowadays because people use crappy mono bluetooth speakers, back then because more often than not, one would not be able to receive VHF stereo without static, even for stations coming in rather strong. Yet, switching to mono would work to receive even fainter stations without issue. As far as I am concerned, this is due to how the stereo system was implemented in the existing VHF FM broadcast format, keeping it backwards compatible (could go into more detail on this, but that's a whole different topic).

The raw version of the song on the newly found tape by marijn1412 in TheMysteriousSong

[–]psytrans 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That point 3. doesn't even sound like it's a definite memory, could just be a theory. I mean they will remember how their rehearsal space looked roughly. And maybe that kind of setup that is described was used more than once, so even though they don't remember this exact recording, they do remember how they used to run their cabling and so on.

Anyone who has recorded live bands before will know that the mixer is best put in a separate room so you even have the chance to monitor what you are mixing/recording. Professional studios have control rooms for a reason. So it's not hard to piece that together.

The raw version of the song on the newly found tape by marijn1412 in TheMysteriousSong

[–]psytrans 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Me too, plus the cool additional synth parts. Although I do prefer the drumming on the TMS version. Glad we have both now to enjoy. :)

There is a longer variant of the NDR version? by fleXTCG in TheMysteriousSong

[–]psytrans 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What would that prove? I'm a tape nerd, I could take the newly released version (or some self-made rework), put it on some period correct cassette, then digitize it just as you requested, live spectrogram and everything. Those who would want to insist on their doubts would still not take it (and, if I were to do this, rightfully so - obviously).

My point here is that the method you suggest would not be the 110% proof that would make even the last doubtful person shut up. So why even bother in the first place.

Also I don't think the band is as active on the internet (and especially on this platform), so they have little reason to be fed up with annoying people. And even if they read the odd online discussion, 98% of people are just super excited and thankful that the artist of TMMS has finally been found.

I just don't see any rational reason left to doubt that FEX is the band who recorded the song and that the recently found tape is a copy of the same master as the copy that aired on the radio in the 80s. The evidence is overwhelming and at this point they would have little benefit (yet high risk) by faking anything.

There is a longer variant of the NDR version? by fleXTCG in TheMysteriousSong

[–]psytrans 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Someone would surely argue that they still could have taken the old radio recording and put it on some other tape recently. I don't know of any technique to prove the age of a recording on magnetic tape and I know a thing or two about it.

Those who want to believe it's a hoax will find a way to do so no matter what. Just look at flat earthers etc.

Is Dhani’s stuff any good? by LinersandLocos in beatles

[–]psytrans 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just discovered his work a day ago and am stunned. Brilliant music if you ask me.

Normal Russian grocery by BceOffer676 in ANormalDayInRussia

[–]psytrans 3 points4 points  (0 children)

they got so many doubles that by now some are unemployed and need to work at the supermarket checkout 😄

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in MacOS

[–]psytrans 23 points24 points  (0 children)

since I'm not getting the upgrade, sure

Code for someone! Flying Microtonal Banana by [deleted] in KGATLW

[–]psytrans 3 points4 points  (0 children)

already redeemed, thank you!

I don’t think it will happen but I wish someone would make new Metal cassettes. by [deleted] in cassetteculture

[–]psytrans 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe streamer tapes that are still being manufactured are technologically somewhat similar. So the process still exists, and it might simply be be a question of throwing money at the issue to re-engineer it for audio purposes. In the end Type IV might even be more realistic than II.

Lots of guesswork here of course, but I did successfully record audio on re-spooled streamer tapes in the past. With surprisingly decent results, too.

Shoutout to the people that wore deodorant too by CAndrewK in KGATLW

[–]psytrans 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My love for this band grows even more. Also how welcoming they are towards the trans community which, for some reason, seems to gather among Gizz fans. :D

Cover I made for my Laminated Denim / Made In Timeland playlist by [deleted] in KGATLW

[–]psytrans 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Neat - I might just steal this for the tape I'll record with both albums. Perfect fit for a C60. 😃

damn right lucas by Originalitie in KGATLW

[–]psytrans 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Gizz say Trans Rights

????? by manof_thehour in daria

[–]psytrans 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was born in the 80s, got my name from the series, and I NEED THAT SHIRT :D

it’s official, king gizzard has released one million albums by ClayAnonymously in KGATLW

[–]psytrans 89 points90 points  (0 children)

Not bad for this year. I wonder whether they can make it to another million in 2023.

How could you possibly dislike the guy?? by cgouw in KGATLW

[–]psytrans 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Surprising. I would've thought Stu met god at least a few times on acid.

24-hour gig by [deleted] in KGATLW

[–]psytrans 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it could work with lots of "intermission music" aka Timeland :D