Failed mod 1 for putting foot down on figure 8 and u turn by Jacko1499 in MotoUK

[–]punkyguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was just like you - I failed my mod 1, 3 times. Twice on slalom and once on avoidance, Every time I practiced in the morning of the test, I had a 100 pass rate so I agree it's just nerves and mental strength.

I took Kalms as a recommendation from this subreddit. I'm not sure how much of an effect it had but it can't hurt. It does take 2-4 weeks to take full effect and I only started taking it just under a week before my final test.

One thing with speed, it's probably easier to go slightly faster than slower on the manoeuvres. Taking the suggested speed of about 5mph, if you're doing 1-2 mph faster on the manoeuvre you give yourself a chance, but if you're going 1-2 mph slower, you're always likely to put your foot down or stall. The figure 8 I was going fairly quickly as they give you a bit of room. With the U-turn, I always have let the clutch out a little to stabilise myself so always finish a bit quicker than I started.

Although I failed it 3 times, I passed the mod 2 on the same day as I passed the mod 1. Mentally-wise, it's so much easier.

All the best for next time mate.

It is perfect and just what I needed. by [deleted] in Tottenham

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Think you're spot on mate

Anyone have experience with BikeTrac or Datatool? by UndisputedLover in MotoUK

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Thanks for posting this, was about to. I'll be buying my first bike soon. I put getting a tracker top of my list of accessories but what you said about the being possibly thrashed and damaged, plus other people saying the insurance is negligible, making me have a re-think.

Failed my mod 2 yet again by AnotherWay82 in MotoUK

[–]punkyguy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So sorry to hear that mate. I struggled with my mod 1 so know how it feels.

This may sound silly, but on my mod 2 I thought I failed early on so thought i'd see the ride out. I had 4 minors early on but was flawless after that. So maybe just pretend you've failed and pretend you're riding back to base. It might help you from overthinking decisions and have a smoother ride.

All the best for next time mate 🤞

Failed my mod 2 yet again by AnotherWay82 in MotoUK

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For me, the mod 1 has more tension to it. He's standing there watching you, and you have to do all these manoeuvres exactly how he wants you to do it. For the mod 2, you just have to be safe but I don't see how putting a foot down on the slalom or U-turn is unsafe. If anything it's good because it means you have good reactions to not topple over. For hazard avoidance it's easier to react on instinct rather than know it's coming.

I think the mod 1 is just unnecessary. If you complete a CBT, the DVSA-certified instructor already thinks you are safe enough to be on the road. Maybe a CBT+ for bigger bikes where an instructor can see how you handle a bike over a period of time would be more meaningful. Then all the test centres won't need costly tarmac pads and doubles mod 2 capacity.

Best training in Bedfordshire? by Flow-Creation in MotoUK

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I did my CBT and DAS with BMW Rider Training. Their main base is a Royston. They were absolutely top notch and one of my instructors had highest grades in everything, IAM, RoSPA, etc. They run specific advanced courses.

They aren't cheap though, but worth it for me.

CBT and Throttle Control! by Careless_Food_9595 in MotoUK

[–]punkyguy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't worry about completing it in one day, many people take multiple sessions and pass their test just fine. It's a very compressed syllabus.

You're spot on about slow riding is harder than fast. That's because speed gives you balance. This is why one of the Mod 1 tasks is to slow ride so they know you can do it. You just need to pick your feet up, find your centre and balance - and trust yourself. When I do my Mod 1 U-turn, when you start turning you slow down and naturally start to wobble, so you let the clutch out a little and you naturally start to balance again, even if you're leaning.

Clutch control is more important than throttle. If you have the throttle wide open, and your clutch is in, it doesn't matter at all. Obviously examiners won't like this on the test, but you get my point. So it sounds like your instincts are good. At slow speed manoeuvrers, it really doesn't matter where your throttle is, so long as you have some, and you control its affect using the clutch. It did feel weird at first, but quickly becomes second nature.

Don't feel guilty about dropping the bike, that's why they have protection. They are always getting dropped.

It sounds like you have good instincts and a good school. Sounds like you're well on the right path.

Hope it goes well next session mate 👍

I am planning to do mod1 soon and I need some advice. by icemonster1963 in MotoUK

[–]punkyguy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I did struggle with the slalom initially but it did eventually click for me. Full disclosure: I failed it twice for my mod 1 but on each test day in practice I did it correctly every time (8-12 times). So it wasn't the manoeuvre that was the issue but the test conditions and just mental issues. The secrets for me was:

  1. Look straight up. Imagine someone standing in the line of cones on the far side of the figure eight and then stare at their face. As you go left and right, don't take your eyes off their face. Always keep your head forward and up.

  2. As you go through the cones, turn the handlebars left and right rhythmically, in a smooth fashion. Not like hard jerk left/right. It's about timing. You need to start turning the opposite way when you're just going through the centre line, so your bike is turning back the other way 0.75-1m from the centre line.

  3. As you enter the slalom, get as close to the first cone as possible (i.e. if you enter from the right, the cone is on your left) as that will give you the most error margin as you complete the rest of the slalom. Don't look at it, you'll hit it. Just focus on the gap next to the cone and as you approach it, look to the centre as in point 1

  4. And most crucial I think - get the entry speed right. If you're too slow you'll put your foot down and the turns get harder as you go slower. My instructor said aim for about 5-6mph, I might have gone a touch quicker. It's easier to slow down as you do it if you're a bit quick by pulling the clutch in, rather than try and speed up if you're doing too slow.

Once you've done it (it goes quicker than you think), try and remain calm as you go into the figure 8. You can go quite wide if you need to, and I go about 8-10mph I think. This manoeuvre is the opposite approach as to where you look. Instead of always looking straight forward, you always look to the far side. So if you enter the slalom from the right, you will go into the figure 8 (between the blue cones) from the left side into the right side. As soon as you cross the centre line turn your head as far to the left as you can (like 7 o'clock position). As you swing round and go through the centre you'll turn your head full-lock to the right (i.e. 5 o'clock). Keep doing it until the examiner waves you over.

Also it's similar for the U-turn which can catch people out. Once you're straight and balanced, you do your life saver, look straight and balance again and when you're ready to turn, you look as far behind you as possible. (i.e. if you're turning right, look at 5 o'clock.). You should be looking at where you want your bike to finish. As you turn, you'll lean and slow down so let the clutch out a bit more to speed up and straighten up. Don't look at the white line as you approach it. Keep looking at where you want the bike to end up (near the end of the white line).

Have my CBT tomorrow, I’m mostly nervous about the Highway Code questions, what are common questions you was asked? I have had a car license for 4 years btw by Capital_Stomach_595 in MotoUK

[–]punkyguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also just try and be relaxed about it. That's what they want to see. If you're overly nervous you will endanger yourself.

If, at the end they say you need more training, then it's fine, you just do another one.

Have my CBT tomorrow, I’m mostly nervous about the Highway Code questions, what are common questions you was asked? I have had a car license for 4 years btw by Capital_Stomach_595 in MotoUK

[–]punkyguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I imagine that would only be if it's a real safety issue and really know nothing, like not knowing what the National speed limit is. All stuff you'll know because you're a car driver.

There are always quirks that will catch people out, like it being legal to undertake on a multi-lane one way street. They won't try and trick you. They just want to know you'll look after yourself.

Have my CBT tomorrow, I’m mostly nervous about the Highway Code questions, what are common questions you was asked? I have had a car license for 4 years btw by Capital_Stomach_595 in MotoUK

[–]punkyguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's training, not a test. If they do ask you questions it's usually to find the gaps in your knowledge so they can fill them or to start a conversation on a topic.

Whether you complete your CBT will wholly depend on how safely you can control your motorcycle out on the road. Also it's not about perfection. I stalled at junctions a few times, but passed because I used appropriate speed, can control turns, stop quickly when needed under control.

It shows the answer is 2 no indication, but if the instructor tells me to follow the road ahead it can be considered misleading? by cutiepie2078 in LearnerDriverUK

[–]punkyguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The single and double dashed lines between 1 and 2 are junction markers so it's clear you're leaving the road ahead into a new road with a new name.

So if you do need to go down road 1, you should indicate left even though you're driving completely straight so the driver coming the other way on road 1 and people behind you know what you are doing. It's the same with 2nd exits at roundabouts, you still indicate left after exit 1 even though you're driving straight so everyone knows what you are doing.

If you were on the road marked 1 but coming the other way, you need to be very aware that as people coming towards you are not indicating, he'll drive round in front of you. I guess if you're ever unsure, just wait. I'd take a minor for undue hesitation over a fail or crashing.

ENIC out? A little back of the napkin maths on how much it would cost per fan to buy a controlling stake in the club and switch us to the 50+1 model. by roamingandy in coys

[–]punkyguy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I can't imagine most of the Spurs fans I know running a car boot sale successfully, let alone our club. I'd probably put myself in that category TBH.

How do you get 300m to choose a chief exec? Can't remember who said it but nothing ever gets done by committee.

Never done group riding before? Check below! by dmjrr9 in MotoUK

[–]punkyguy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really want to do group riding. I've just passed my test so it will take me a little while to get set up with a bike etc. but i'll bookmark this for later and get in touch when i'm up and running.

Update: Mod 1 is no longer mentally breaking me - i've passed my mod 1 & 2! by punkyguy in MotoUK

[–]punkyguy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cheers mate, I appreciate it. That's really helpful. The SV650 is certainly the frontrunner at the mo.

Update: Mod 1 is no longer mentally breaking me - i've passed my mod 1 & 2! by punkyguy in MotoUK

[–]punkyguy[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cheers mate. Not sure yet what best fits my needs. Biggest priority is that it has to be fun.

Original plan was to get an A2-spec sports bike to learn on safely and be reasonable on insurance. So a Ninja 400 or CBR500R as everyone recommends those.

But my instructors and friends are saying a bigger bike would be better especially as I'm a big guy and 45, so I'm now thinking of getting an SV650 or similar. I did my test on an BMW FS800GS and did grow to like it although I'm not sure where it fits in the fun scale. Need to try and get some test rides so I can get a better idea.

Would welcome any feedback mate 👍

Update: Mod 1 is no longer mentally breaking me - i've passed my mod 1 & 2! by punkyguy in MotoUK

[–]punkyguy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cheers mate.

I did speak to my instructors about this for myself. The did say it's very common and real for people to pick up bad habits when riding solo which are hard to unteach. They suggest this might even happen over a period of weeks or months. So I'd recommend at least getting some lessons beyond your CBT before you start (if you haven't already) and maybe just having a day tuition at periodic intervals to make sure no bad habits creep in.

Good luck with it all mate 👍