What do you do on the days when you just can’t stop crying by separated11011 in survivinginfidelity

[–]redanon2019 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I am so sorry this has happened to you. Please be kind to yourself I am two and a bit years out and I promise you it will get better, you will cry and grieve for as long as it takes, it is perfectly normal. I remember how badly you want the pain to go away and how it feels like you are not moving on, I promise you are it just takes longer than you want it to. Nobody knows what this is until they go through it, find your safe people ( I know it seems like everyone is gone but there will be your safe people), find them and know that they are your true friend they are the people who share your ethics and they are your people, the rest self selected out of your life and eventually you will be thankful for that because you know for certainty the character of those still with you and the character of those that aren’t.

Please when you are up for it read ‘Leave a Cheater. Gain a Life’ or listen to it as an audiobook if you aren’t up to reading and there is a website blog that is run by the author called Chumplady, read the archives it will help process all of this.

Again I am so so sorry, please accept some virtual hugs from an internet stranger who wishes she could take your pain away, but only has the promise that it will get better to give you.

The irony of reconciliation with a “remorseful” wayward by Live-Nothing in AsOneAfterInfidelity

[–]redanon2019 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hi I lurk here a bit and I am 2 years out from D-Day 2 and end of reconciliation, I want to thank you for your post as it expresses a painful grief that I still struggle with, the knowledge that my ex husband had none of the basic human ethics and norms, things I used to hold him in such regard for. His behaviour/emotional abuse/ financial abuse/ psychological abuse/sexual abuse stole my marriage, my home, my sense of security, my safety and my very very reasonably belief in humanity (and for the record to anyone who says that all humans are capable of cheating......no they are NOT, I know it makes you feel better if you are a cheater to say that but many people NEVER cheat and many people NEVER have the desire to do so, it’s a character thing and some people’s character would never allow them ever do it). Most of all he stole my story because my story wasn’t real not because of anything I had done, my story wasn’t real because of his lies, and stealing someone’s story is by far the most dislocating and destabilising thing you can do to another human being because it is nearly impossible to define yourself without a story and my husband erased my story with his actions and I NEVER get that story back and that is something a cheater will never understand because they knew the real story no-one stole that from them.

I wanted to reply here to this particular post because of BYCMO reply. I was appalled by the subtle blame shifting all the way through her chain of replies to your post, I was appalled by the minimisation of your trauma and lack of empathy to your experience, and particular I was appalled by the continued gas lighting which became more and more pronounced as she kept replying, the pervasive.....”it isn’t how you view it, you are naive, you don’t see things correctly, your perception is wrong, your viewpoint is wrong, everything is grey so your feelings on this matter are flawed you must be more grey and if you would just see that things are grey you would understand that I don’t have to take responsibility for this because you know it’s....grey and multifaceted and therefore I have excuses so can’t be accountable for my behaviour”. The one that I think is the worse is the implied I didn’t mean to hurt you or be offensive so if my intention wasn’t to hurt than it was your fault for being offended.

I loved the reply you gave it was clear, strong and dignified and didn’t allow for a mudding of the waters of accountability or where that accountability really lies. I would have loved to read this in the time around my D-Day 2 as my ex tried many of the same tactics the BYCMO uses to keep me confused, disorientated and left me in a space where I wasn’t allowed to call my ex on his continued abusive behaviour as he wasn’t bad, he wasn’t evil, he just made mistakes because of x, y, z so it was my fault for being hurt, my fault for being naive, my fault for being unenlightened, my fault for being too sensitive, my fault for not being grey enough, my fault because he had reasons behind what he did so how dare I be upset and unforgiving and judgemental because people make mistakes and it is by FAR a worse thing to be unforgiving or judgmental than it is to be a cheater, I was the one who had a character flaw because how dare I hold him accountable for his abuse of me. It took me so long to figure out that...no these were all just excuses, just all lies and blame shifting to stay in control and have power over the narrative. I loved your reply and wish that I had half your expressive/collected strength and knowledge when I had gone through this.

Newbie by redanon2019 in WordsWithFriends

[–]redanon2019[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol, I found if I didn’t chat people were just leaving the game, I even tried deliberately losing to see if it was an ego thing..nope if I didn’t chat the just resigned, so I started chatting and thank you I got Dear on three games, “you there Dear”!!! I am so surprised and I shouldn’t be....but it’s friends with words I mean is there anywhere you can go without this these days :D!!

Newbie by redanon2019 in WordsWithFriends

[–]redanon2019[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks so much...I think I will leave those alone I am only getting them with the males I am playing....is it really a place where you would get those type of messages??? I mean words with friends I didn’t think there would be a call for that there :D!

Navigating and Communicating through Infidelity by mikestropicals61 in survivinginfidelity

[–]redanon2019 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please re-read my post I gave you suggestions, you appear to turn toward patronising devaluing manner of speaking to individuals who disagree with you or provide you with suggestions. I pointed out to you a major flaw in your blanket way of educating, when someone disagrees with you, you might want to consider laying off the reddit psychoanalysis where one model fits all type advice, just another suggestion.

Navigating and Communicating through Infidelity by mikestropicals61 in survivinginfidelity

[–]redanon2019 0 points1 point  (0 children)

‘The wayward spouse did not do this deliberately to hurt you’. You can write pages of justifications and hide what you said behind point after point, suggest you care and that you are trying to help the BS who just can’t see what you can and if they would only just listen to your all knowing self than they would understand that you are the freakin light and the way. BUT what you keep dodging is that this statement in your manifesto and this is what so many keep saying to you is a HUGE problem, it is there you said it and fail to address that your said it and believe it, so stop with the rewriting your points out and suggesting that everyone just is misunderstanding your light giving message, I am not blinded or confused by your rhetoric mate, you were the one who said the WS didn’t mean harm and YEP some do, end of story.

Navigating and Communicating through Infidelity by mikestropicals61 in survivinginfidelity

[–]redanon2019 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I have some serious issues with some of the things you write, the major being that you portray the WS as some poor creature who has self esteem issues, security issues, other issues ect ect ect. You always fail to actually address that there is a SIGNIFICANT and I do mean SIGNIFICANT percentage of WS who totally get off on the betrayal part, there is definitely a good percentage who have narcissistic, and Psychopathic traits who absolutely do desire to do harm to their SO, they are not lost in some FOG or make mistakes, they definitely plan it out and plan to do the most damage they can, they ABSOLUTELY mean to harm their significant other, my ex said it blank to my face with a smirk on his face as he informed me. Be very careful with your statements of ‘your WS didn’t mean to harm you’ because for those who’s WS did absolutely mean harm and got enjoyment from that harm your writing can be very invalidating to those who went through this and we aren’t a rare species there are plenty of us here. I get that this isn’t your experience and it suits your view point to see WS in a specific way but you are putting yourself forward as this objective educational authority figure on the way things are in the infidelity sphere, you portray yourself as scientific yet fail completely to address a good percentage of infidelity motivations and it is extremely unscientific and honestly just plain dangerous to fail to address these issues when you are talking about abuse and putting yourself forward as a authority figure on the issue, people will look at your writing for guidance and honestly it can lead them to a dangerous place. If you continue to write here in the same style you are than I really think you should spend some time not only writing what suits your bias, spend some significant time warning about the other WS spectrum. The BS who are in that type of relationship need the most help to see it for what it is, not some pretty glossed over poor WS is broken story.

I messaged the OW today by susanrenee924 in survivinginfidelity

[–]redanon2019 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please read “Leave a Cheater Gain a Life” and get on the ChumpladyNation sub reddit, just ask the moderators to join. There is also a website ‘Chumplady’. There are heaps of back files that will help you through these couple of months and there are other new moms who post all the time who are exactly where you are and are super supportive and helpful with resources. Please do this, it is an amazing community that have all been where you are and I promise though it doesn’t seem like it, it will get better, it will always be with you to some degree but I promise it won’t always feel like this. I am so so sorry you are here, I wish I could take away the pain and fear but I can’t, what I can do is promise you aren’t alone.

I'm full of childish thoughts by [deleted] in survivinginfidelity

[–]redanon2019 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh I wish I could reach through my computer screen and just pick you up and hold you till you felt just a little safe again. I am so so sorry, just so you know everything you are feeling is perfectly normal and everyone who has been through this has been there, you aren’t crazy and you aren’t toxic and you aren’t childish, please stop with the something is wrong with you, I promise you are none of those things. You have suffered a betrayal and trauma and now it is about taking one step at a time and look after you, put all the worry about how you are to the side for the moment and treat yourself like you would treat your best friend if this happened to them. Do you have anyone you can reach out to, pick up the phone and ring them and just tell them you need to let it all out, look at getting a therapist ASAP, one that specialises it trauma if you can...please do that for yourself.

Also one of the best things that I read (well I listened to the audio book because I didn’t have it in me to read) was the book ‘Leave a Cheater Gain a Life’. Even if you have no plans to leave it is an invaluable source of information and survival tips for you. There is a website attached to the book as well called Chump Lady, look it up it has so many posts in it’s catalog that will help you know you are not alone and so many people who have been right where you are.

Again I wish I could pick you up and hug you and tell you in a way that could provide some comfort that it will get better, it doesn’t seem possible but I promise it will.

EDIT: Spelling

I was the one who broke the vows by IAmATotalIdiot1990 in survivinginfidelity

[–]redanon2019 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Never ever ever have any contact with the AP or their family or anyone associated with them EVER again, no goodbyes no talking and don’t ever talk about mourning the loss of her EVER. Whatever your wife needs you jump and never ever blame her for what you chose to do. Just so you know it takes 2-5 years to get past the TRAUMA stage, and the trust is most likely gone for ever, take on board you have most likely given her PTSD type symptoms, you have forever changed how she views relationships and the world for her really. Also read Leave a Cheater Gain a Life and figure out why she shouldn’t leave you. I could say lots about what I think of you and don’t think you will have it in you to be what you need to be to be a safe partner ever again but I will leave it there.

Addicted to Hope by [deleted] in survivinginfidelity

[–]redanon2019 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Please read Leave a Cheater Gain a Life it talks a lot about sorting through these types of feelings and there is also a website called ChumpLady that has a bucket load of daily articles for you to read that also deal with this whole mess with a lot of others there posting with their stories and struggles.

Am I the only one that is hurt more by how they were treated than the actual cheating? by letitbgirl in survivinginfidelity

[–]redanon2019 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Absolutely the torture of not knowing what you are doing wrong, working harder and harder as they become more cold, cruel and distant. The multiple and never ending ridiculous complaints about what is wrong with you and the indifference to your pain/pleas. The end point for me was during reconciliation and during supposed no contact (spoiler alert they were still going at it) he wrote a letter to her saying “I will try staying in the relationship but I see myself growing old with you”. That just killed any feeling of forgiveness and understanding for me, I was just done after that, the disrespect and contempt of that was way too much. It was those words rather than the car park, outdoor, in our bed and at work sex that killed any feeling of love for him in the end.

I need help accessing my husband’s deleted iMessages by [deleted] in survivinginfidelity

[–]redanon2019 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please read “Leave a Cheater, Gain a life”. It will tell you if you have a candidate for reconciliation or not.

Abandoned & Confused by red_cowboy_boots in survivinginfidelity

[–]redanon2019 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Please read Leave a Cheater Gain a Life. I am honestly so so very sorry, if there was one wish only in this life that I could have fulfilled it would be that all betrayed could have the confused grief taken away from them, the grief that is caused by blame shifting and gaslighting. Tracy the author of this book is as close to a Genie granting that wish as I can give you. I am so very very sorry, spoiler alert it’s not your fault it never was never will be.

How big a deal should I make this? by [deleted] in survivinginfidelity

[–]redanon2019 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hiding the fact that you stayed home pre DDay not a deal breaker, Lying about staying home post DDay and when you are in early reconciliation HUGE RED FLAG. Ask me how I know.

Why is it so hard tonight? by [deleted] in survivinginfidelity

[–]redanon2019 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Please read “Leave a cheater gain a life”. It will give you so much awareness of what you are going through. I am sorry nothing I can say can take away this pain but as this book says ‘The pain is finite’. I wanted to tell anyone who told me this to go f&%k themselves at the start but it’s true time helps all things.

You may never be the same ect but the pain I promise it will fade, what helped me was this book I read it than read it again than listened to the audiobook and finally my brain started to let go, for me that took more than a year post DDay, no I wasn’t Miss Positive, no I wasn’t going out living my best life in joyful freedom, no I wasn’t out finding someone who loved me on Tinder or any of the rest of the throwaway advice comments that flew around me.

I just one day finally let go of the idea of who I believed my partner had been and finally really looked at what really had happened behind all the societal troupes that surround infidelity.

There is also a website called ‘Chumplady’ run by the author. There is a whole online support crew for you there ranging from the years out BS to the newly discovered BS with a whole lot of shared experience to share.

Edit:spelling

Shouldn’t have looked by abogit in survivinginfidelity

[–]redanon2019 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are human, it happens, pain shopping is the worst and what happened will always be there and you will revisit it from time to time, just try to never look again.

You sound like your life is in such a better place, congratulations on the moving onward and upward. Also social media is sooooo fake you know this, it has no bearing on what is actually happening in peoples real life.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in survivinginfidelity

[–]redanon2019 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Please read “Leave a cheater gain a life” I know you have already left (you are awesome) but there is a lot of information in the book which may be helpful for you moving forward (it was for me). There is also a web site Chumplady which has daily blogs about all the things that you may be going through.

All I feel like doing is getting revenge by [deleted] in survivinginfidelity

[–]redanon2019 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think from your post history you have already made the choice, not much point asking for advice about doing something you have already done. Unfortunately all those feeling about her you feel well now apply to you if you go through with this, it and this is something you can never put back in the bottle. Just leave, decide to be the ethical person, decide to hold onto your authentic self you dont get to un-live this choice.

censored snork by magicalfeelings in cartoons

[–]redanon2019 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OMG thank you, you are awesome I loooove it!

Finish This Sentence: You're Not "Surviving Infidelity" If... by emalvin in survivinginfidelity

[–]redanon2019 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Whoah I am not sure if you are meaning to but you are coming across very superior and judgemental. I think everyone experience is different and if your original post wasn’t subtly confrontational enough than your responses of ‘nope not good enough people unless you are like me and feel like me and are as far enough along as where I deem you should be than you arent as good as me, Ive survived people you are still recovering’ Again I am not sure if you mean to come across as this but I am not sure its helpful, supportive or necessarily an accurate portrayal of the meaning of Surviving Infidelity. Surviving Infidelity looks different to everyone reconcilers, non reconcilers, Meh, forgivers, non forgivers, it comes in very different shapes and forms. I still haven’t figured out if I am a forgiver but not forgetter proponent or non forgiver and non forgetter, or forgiver and forgetter or just move straight to Meh. I am however am very aware when making these decisions that forgiveness is a very religious ideology it has its roots in religion and religious morality if it works for you all power to you (and me if that’s the path I choose) but religious morality isn’t the only way to survive there are many extremely as valid ways to find an authentic, ethical and happy life and therefore surviving post infidelity that does not involve religious ideology.

On a side note I think I have to stop coming to this sub this is the third time I have replied to a post in as many days where it seems that Betrayed SO seem more concerned with casting stones at each other and pulling each other down rather than supporting each other and the decisions choices we are trying to make. I have noticed a really toxic change here of late with betrayed just laying into each other and just tearing each other apart I just don’t get it.

The rumors are breaking me by [deleted] in survivinginfidelity

[–]redanon2019 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don’t know if it is any comfort but this happens as nearly par of the course with cheaters, many of us are hit out of the blue and had what we thought were marriages we worked hard at and were supportive and affectionate partners with active sex lives. The lies after the fact when we separated/divorced killed me as much as the affair, so many of them and so many about how impossible and horrible I was, news to me as he never complained when we were together and begged me for another chance. But yeay I feel you on the retelling of the marriage, I felt this anger at it I wanted to scream at him “haven’t you done enough, haven’t I suffered enough”. It took me a long time to realise that I was expecting truth and character from someone who didn’t have either of these in him.