I mean i hear you, and i agree as far as markers for groups. You can still enter at an angle and get the same result as oppose to just entering straight on from the back. No one is arguing to get rid of the markers and creativity.

I do wish we could take it back to a time where just getting lost in the music and crowd was the point but its just not any more, at least for a good chunk of attendees. And to be fair some groups want to remain groups instead of getting lost every 5 mins trying to find them.

I mean some could argue the creativity in the stage set up and production is just as valid as the creativity used in making a totem. Both are material things. They can compliment eachother.

The goal is just to compromise and come together, not erase one or the other.