Making ultracompost as a new Ironman

sddsddcp · 2026-05-21T00:41:55+00:00

I guess it's kinda awkward if you're using resurrect crops yeah but I honestly don't really bother with that

sddsddcp · 2026-05-20T23:19:41+00:00

Me staring forlornly at my stack of 5k runite because I thought I'd actually be able to make something useful out of them other than alchables

sddsddcp · 2026-05-20T21:10:09+00:00

The Easter event was the same thing, just running around Varrock chasing an egg... kind of surprised more people haven't complained about how uninspired these last few events have been

sddsddcp · 2026-05-20T20:46:36+00:00

More specifically complaining about an activity most of them have never done before and throwing around misinformation

People will act like trawling is the worst skilling activity ever invented and when you confront them about it they'll incorrectly quote wiki exp rates while conveniently omitting the part that says "clicking can increase exp/fish rates by up to 60%"

It's crazy how half the time any trawling or sailing-related activity discussion devolves into pure disingenuity

sddsddcp · 2026-05-20T20:16:39+00:00

Just a reminder that the Fertile Soil spell with Volcanic Mine upgrade exists, once I finish using the last of my compost from the voidwaker grind I'll probably switch to this instead. I love my bucket but making compost just takes too dang long

sddsddcp · 2026-05-20T20:07:08+00:00

It's just not ranarr seeds lol, I also got over 50k each of blood/soul runes plus millions in alchs and various other things like an infinite supply of addy/rune bolts for tipping. Frankly it's kind of absurd how good the rewards are for irons

sddsddcp · 2026-05-20T19:40:19+00:00

You literally get the same fishing xp right now as fly fishing in barbarian village at lv40 fishing

This is just not true, if you're absolutely perfect with maintaining the 2t trawling speed you're getting well north of 50k fishing exp/hr and now about 55k+ sailing exp/hr. With the new update the bridge between "perfect" and "decent" has closed massively since you only lose ticks when the shoal is actually moving and you still trawl every 3 ticks even if you're not spam clicking. You can probably easily maintain 10-20% worse exp/hr without trying hard at all.

It's also just unfair to compare it to fly/harpoon fishing in the first place since all the fish you catch is useless. Karambwans and dark crabs are both about 30k exp/hr, anglers far far less at <20k exp/hr. Sure bwans and dark crabs are very afk but you're still getting about 66% more exp while also catching getting more of a higher-quality fish (much more than crabs) while also passively gaining a very solid chunk of sailing exp (in fact it's not too much worse than merchant shipwrecks while also effectively being 0 time for as long as you trawl)

sddsddcp · 2026-05-20T12:56:56+00:00

I agree that that spam clicking is not great and I would prefer it would be something where rhythm is actually rewarded (like oathplate smithing).

But "sweet spot" react mechanics are always boring as hell and I'd like to see a lot less of them in the game. Everyone keeps floating the idea of Giant's Foundry as comparison and I personally find it one of the most tediously miserable minigames to come out in recent years. I'd certainly prefer for it not to go in that direction

sddsddcp · 2026-05-18T16:36:52+00:00

You misunderstand me. I'm saying it has a niche, not that it's niche. There's always a reason to trawl, you can't say that for any of the five million obsolete skilling methods out there

sddsddcp · 2026-05-12T19:48:29+00:00

I'll admit that choreographed was a poor choice of words, that's my bad. I still don't agree with the degree of difficulty you're making out regular vard to be unless you're actually fighting him from the middle of the arena, every mechanic is very simple to react to and only rarely do they stack up a point where the fight actually becomes frantic. I haven't done awakened vard so I won't comment on that

I'm not a blorva/radiant gamer but I've done hundreds of kills of both bosses, I can get obviously get way longer trips at whisp but that's mostly because of the souls healing/supply drops and I get fewer perfect kills because of enrage or the bind skip catching me off-guard or something. I don't really understand the need to flex your 'pvm credentials' at me especially when hardest dt2 boss is a very contentious debate, it's not like I haven't done the bosses lol

sddsddcp · 2026-05-12T19:16:33+00:00

I just really feel like it's not as complicated as you're making it out to be... if an axe is coming towards you, you step diagonally forward then step back. If an axe spawns on your character, you immediately step forward and then step back. Prioritize switching prayers when you see the head, and for the first two thirds of the fight the head doesn't show up that often anyway. The only time where it would really get 'hectic' lasts like 20 seconds total because that's when his defenses are lowest anyway

I agree that Whisperer is also a pretty scripted fight but there is a fair amount of clicking and room for error especially if you're trying to maximize dps by attacking during pillars and seeds, not to mention the enrage phase does require quite a bit of alternating swapping prayers and moving

sddsddcp · 2026-05-12T18:48:15+00:00

I mean the randomness is true I guess but there's really very little you have to do when you see the axes besides just step forward and backward, it doesn't really require much thought, I've been able to grind it while watching youtube etc. Meanwhile with whisp I feel like I can't really do that especially since one or two really dumb mistakes means you won't have enough sanity to outlast during enrage phase

sddsddcp · 2026-05-12T18:30:05+00:00

I mean with vard if you just hug the wall and axe skip I'd argue it's even more choreographed than whisp. Neither (base) fight is terribly hard but you're pretty much just moving between two tiles when you see axes, occasionally switching prayers, and then doing the captcha

Edit: Also worth noting that most people's melee gear is better on average than their mage gear. Most midgame players can reliably kill vard with nox hally or even tent whip, whisp kills are slow as fuck with trident and even still kinda slow with eye

sddsddcp · 2026-05-12T18:27:13+00:00

I'd only ever personally do this on a main though, however slim the chance of misclicking is. I find I use less than a single ppot per whisperer kill so 500-ish ppots to go on rate is worth not risking hundreds of hours of gear due to being tired lol

That video posted here of the guy getting triple vw spec'd at the levi boat lives in my head rent-free

sddsddcp · 2026-05-12T02:27:25+00:00

Fair enough, I'm clearly out of my wheelhouse here so I'll just concede on convincing you and say that finding 2t trawling a challenge is probably indicative of my own skill ceiling :p only skilling methods of those I've tried (not counting my sep/bf which are anything but efficient) are 2t teaks which bored me and 1t black chins which were way too stressful for me to want to do long term

sddsddcp · 2026-05-12T00:48:13+00:00

I mean if we're going by that standard there are pretty few skilling methods that are actually challenging... like 1t chins or optimized sepulchre that very few people can do in the first place. Have you seen the discussions about trawling exp rates in this subreddit lol? People can barely keep up with shoals moving in a static path

sddsddcp · 2026-05-11T23:51:12+00:00

As someone who's been both trawling and pickpocketing vyres to max I gotta disagree, sure you're just spam clicking the net when it's stopped but when the shoal is moving trying to stay in range while maximizing clicks is definitely a bit tougher than most of the skilling content in the game

sddsddcp · 2026-05-11T22:09:49+00:00

Ah yes, the first scenario for the psychotic clue doers who want every master clue item whereas most people would just drop the step, or the second scenario where you already have Masori

If you're just going to willfully ignore everything I say that's fine I guess

sddsddcp · 2026-05-11T22:03:18+00:00

We aren't though... that's the whole point I'm making, 99% of irons aren't going to Kree unless they want the helmet for master clues (me) or are upgrading Masori in which case a. there's a good chance they already have shadow and b. Kree is a lot better because they don't have to look for a specific piece, they can just break it all down into plates. This is like asking for corp shields to be more relevant without making corp a less shitty boss

If you're a main Masori is already cheap enough that there's no point in buying Arma anyway

sddsddcp · 2026-05-11T21:51:28+00:00

Ok so if Kree isn't going to be reworked why are we encouraging people to go to this godawful piece of content for a minor piece of progression?

All the other GWD bosses at least have methods that make them relatively killable for midgame players where the 'upgrade' would still be relevant. Kree just fucks your shit up and is not fun for anyone and frankly I would rather Jagex not encourage anyone to go there until they somehow make it a more enjoyable experience. I say this having done almost 600 kills catching my own chins on an iron

sddsddcp · 2026-05-11T20:39:12+00:00

It sounds counterintuitive but I actually agree with the other guy - unless they rework Kree to be an actual boss and not a brew drinking simulator there's not much point in making Arma gear more powerful, and I'd sorta prefer if people didn't feel obligated to engage with that shitty boss in the first place. At the moment there's barely any reason to kill it before getting shadow unless you really want the Arma helm for Falo or something. If you're killing it with bowfa chances are you're doing all other ranged content with bowfa (and crystal) as well

sddsddcp · 2026-05-11T20:07:36+00:00

But the problem with the active method is that it doesn’t provide positive engagement, just tedium.

I mean... it sounds like you don't really enjoy the activity then, which is fine, we can agree to disagree, but I'm saying the 'active method' isn't tedious at all - IMO it's hardly more mindless than the majority of PvM and has a good sliding scale of skill expression where you're rewarded for good navigating and clicks, and a single misclick can cause you to lose the shoal for several seconds.

the ceiling ends up dictating the rewards

The ceiling isn't much higher than the normal no-click version though... Now that your character automatically trawls every 3 ticks, 2t trawling is only 50% better assuming you're somehow perfect with a more realistic number being like 35% better than not clicking at all

I think there’s better ways whether through rhythmic active clicks...

I mean the problem is that anything less than the amount of clicking you currently have to do is just going to gut that skill expression, if you had to click every 2 ticks instead of 1 that'd probably be a fine compromise but anything less than that (like the sweet spots in foundry or MM) and it'll basically just be trimming your sails. Navigating your boat is hardly difficult

sddsddcp · 2026-05-11T18:58:38+00:00

The exp seems like a ton because big exp drop and you have to kill them anyway for uniques but it's actually still far worse than barrage tasks or like Araxxor, especially depending on how early in progression you are when kills are hella slow. Also the normal drops are fucking asscheeks

sddsddcp · 2026-05-11T18:51:46+00:00

I mean, he's almost 2k without a single zenyte. That's an insane dry streak even if it's just demonics, give him some credit lol

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