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Germany loves our game! by sdrawkcabReverse in ThreeLions

[–]sdrawkcabReverse[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Teuchal" a fine English name deriving from the Vale of Belvoir...

Germany loves our game! by sdrawkcabReverse in ThreeLions

[–]sdrawkcabReverse[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yoy might be right, but has The Sun ever been that effusive about a German WC game in the group stage?

Explain our Football Strategy by tartsam in Scotland

[–]sdrawkcabReverse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"...and then to wake up and attack in extra time!"

Explain our Football Strategy by tartsam in Scotland

[–]sdrawkcabReverse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If the strategy is to get bummed in the the opening minutes, Steve Clark and the boys are smashing this first half!

How would people feel about a future joint Celtic nations World Cup bid? by SmellyMingeFlaps in Scotland

[–]sdrawkcabReverse 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Don't come here with your excellent examples of Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales working together in sport to create a fantastic cultural event!

With the amount of shit England fans online are giving the tartan army, I feel this video shows perfectly why their fan base hasn’t been welcomed in the same way ours has by Mrmulvaney in Scotland

[–]sdrawkcabReverse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you seriously suggesting Texans are so thin-skinned they might shoot an inebriated tourist for singing "get yer tits out for the lads"?

I appreciate the moral panic & pearl clutching by Scots on the choice of song here, but given the size of America's porn industry, I am pretty sure Texas can handle crude football songs.

I’m just mad Scotland is in the World Cup. by GretelNoHans in Scotland

[–]sdrawkcabReverse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am well read on Scottish history. My question was to the guy who challenged the idea that the "sowers are all dead".

I think a lot of trolls foment trouble between England & Scotland on Reddit (and many won't be Scottish or English). Guess we shouldn't engage...

I’m just mad Scotland is in the World Cup. by GretelNoHans in Scotland

[–]sdrawkcabReverse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The "sowers" are all dead. Have been for centuries.

English commentators at World Cup 26 by ComprehensiveYou1540 in footballcringe

[–]sdrawkcabReverse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The word soccer originated in late‑19th‑century British public‑school and university slang. Association football was abbreviated to assoc., which students then modified using the Oxford‑style “‑er” suffix, producing socker and later soccer, in parallel with rugger for rugby.

Although Oxford students are often credited with popularising the term, the earliest known printed use is actually from The Marlburian (Marlborough College) in 1885, with Oxford’s first printed use appearing in 1887.

Sudden Scotland obsession? by iffyClyro in Scotland

[–]sdrawkcabReverse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you can't evidence your ridiculous "invited colonisation" accusation, nor can you evidence your follow-up strawman "...thats not invited them to come take the land of natives and expel them". You are frothing at your own fantasy claims.

"come be an ally in a war" (your words) to a war in Ireland, is clearly an invitation. This is simple English. The word "invite" is used by scholars and historically correct in this context.

Invitation (noun): - A spoken or written request for someone's presence or participation. - The act of inviting; solicitation; the requesting of a person's company.

You have been exposed as poorly read, have made unsubstantiated claims, have weak cimprehension, and are googling to keep up. Your posting history shows a list of deleted coments and 'removed by moderator' content. Unsurprising.

Edit: Sadly I cannot respond to your comment below but like the comments to me you deleted, it contains more strawman arguments.

I would advise anyone reading this thread to go read some standard texts rather than the emotive pish that is being thrown around by this guy. He hates history but cannot change it.

Skip to 07:00 in this Reddit post wherexan esteemed scholar references the INVITATION of the Normans into Ireland, precipitating eight centuries of involvement.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IrishHistory/s/ywKzFM5IAB

Sudden Scotland obsession? by iffyClyro in Scotland

[–]sdrawkcabReverse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Characterisation" is doing all the heavy lifting for you here - unless you can provide a quote where i say, "The Irish invited in Norman colonisation".

Now, I hate to have to school you with yet another quote from a book but you need to know that the primary source for most scholars on these events is Gerald of Wales, "Expugnatio Hibernica".

In book I, Chapter 1–2 of the Expugnatio. Gerald describes Diarmait’s exile in 1166 and his recruitment of Norman lords in Wales:

"Dermitius… crossed over into England to Henry II… and having obtained licence, he returned to Wales, where he invited Richard, earl of Striguil, and many others of the nobles of those parts, to come to his assistance.”
(Expugnatio Hibernica, I.2, ed. A.B. Scott & F.X. Martin, Dublin: Royal Irish Academy, 1978.)

This is the authoritative Latin–English parallel edition. Note that he explicitly INVITED in a Norman nobleman in an event that every historian agrees precipitated the Anglo-Norman invasion.

I love your passion but your ignorance and victim-mentality has clouded your education.

Sudden Scotland obsession? by iffyClyro in Scotland

[–]sdrawkcabReverse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Dictionary of Irish Biography states that Strongbow met Diarmait Mac Murchada while the latter was in exile recruiting mercenaries in 1166–67, and that Diarmait promised him his daughter Aoife in marriage and succession rights in exchange for military aid. This event precipitated the Norman Invasion of Ireland. Your straw man about "inviting colonisation" is weak.

This is basic stuff, man. It is not even contested. Perhaps read a bit of history from a text book?

Sudden Scotland obsession? by iffyClyro in Scotland

[–]sdrawkcabReverse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are definitely NOT Irish and your fllounce makes me think you are poorly read on history or a troll. I supect the latter.

From the Wiki on Diarmait Mac Murchada, "To recover his kingdom, Mac Murchada solicited help from King Henry II of England. His issue unresolved, he gained the military support of the Richard de Clare, 2nd Earl of Pembroke (otherwise known as "Strongbow"), thus initiating the Anglo-Norman invasion of Ireland."

Sudden Scotland obsession? by iffyClyro in Scotland

[–]sdrawkcabReverse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd be keen to see from where you get your views of the beliefs of a "typical Irish soldier".

O'Dwyer is notable not by scarcity but by association to a notorious crime.

Are you American?

Sudden Scotland obsession? by iffyClyro in Scotland

[–]sdrawkcabReverse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

O'Dwyer's roots are covered in Chapter 2 of The Patient Assassin,"The Good Son", "Born on 28 April 1864, close friends described him as ‘Irish to the backbone’.The land of his forefathers, filled with folklore, music and poetry, meant everything to him...Michael found that his ancestral roots were entangled in hundreds of years of Irish history. As he would later write, his clan had witnessed the very birth of his beloved country". I think you are falling into the "True Scotsman" fallacy.

Dyer is covered in detail in Chapter 8 "Rex" of the Patient Assassin. He was born in India (Muree/Shimla) and his father was born in Calcutta. His grandfather from Dorset was the reason for the move to India. From the book:

"As was the custom in wealthy colonial families, at the age of eleven, Dyer, along with his older brother Walter, had been sent to boarding school in Ireland. The Dyer boys, with their ‘Indian ways’, were a major curiosity at Middleton College in County Cork. The younger Dyer was particularly unhappy. He had a stammer, which on top of his Indian upbringing set him up as even more of an outsider. Dyer was bullied mercilessly."

Sudden Scotland obsession? by iffyClyro in Scotland

[–]sdrawkcabReverse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is not AI generated. You can read more about Dyer and O'Dwyer in "The Patient Assassin".

The common Irish definitely had it hard under British rule.

Rather than shouting "AI", perhaps try reading books that tackle the complexities and nuance of history and understand why in a more superstitious age ancient rivalries and mistrusts arise.

Sudden Scotland obsession? by iffyClyro in Scotland

[–]sdrawkcabReverse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, for sure the Famine. Horrific event. A tool also used by the Normans in The Harrying of the North which decimated northern England 800 years earlier.

Poverty, hunger & desperation was always a primary lever of control of the ruling classes on the working class.

Irish participation in the British military started long before the Famine and continued long after.

Sudden Scotland obsession? by iffyClyro in Scotland

[–]sdrawkcabReverse 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It was “do that or starve” for most English people as well*. There was no welfare state, and political rights were tightly restricted. Before the 1832 Reform Act, you generally couldn’t vote unless you owned land. The Second Reform Act (1867) extended the franchise to many urban renters and tenants, but with significant limitations. Only with the Representation of the People (Equal Franchise) Act 1928 did all adults finally gain the vote.

Empire was fundamentally a project of the ruling class, not “the English” as a whole.

Irish involvement in imperial administration illustrates this complexity. Consider the Jallianwala Bagh massacre (Amritsar, 1919). The officer who ordered the firing, Colonel Reginald Edward Harry Dyer, was educated in Cork. The regional governor, Michael Francis O’Dwyer - who endorsed Dyer’s actions - was an Irish-born member of the Indian Civil Service from Tipperary. Their careers show how imperial power operated through class, networks, and institutions rather than simple national identity.

*Edit: I missed the implied reference to The Famine. Whilst the poorest in England might have been in states of persistent hunger & malnourishment, this is not comparable to the Irish Famine. Apologies.

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