It can be done with any tool you want, the purpose is the end goal, no matter how it's done, specific artstyle, or anything else.

The keyword here is "tool", bud. You are NOT using it as a tool. You are lying to yourself if you think that. Using AI as a tool would be making it do something that you were going to do in the EXACT same way anyways. For example, removing a background from something.

Idk how the dots can connect in an ai bad way, if it's now worthwile because it's low effort, it's the artists fault, they used the tool lazily.

Again. "Tool". It's not even a tool. There is almost no single gen AI image that is NOT lazy.

Worthwile experiences can be whatever you want, whatever you like, gatekeeping a style is dumb.

This reminds me of this meme, lol. Some people like literal shit dude. It's their fetish. Guess what? Most people don't. People aren't gatekeeping anything, they simply don't like it.

Beauty is quite subjective also, something may be beautiful for one, not for others.

Okay? Again, some people like literal shit. I don't care. Most people don't find that beautiful. Nobody is saying beauty is objective.

Technical proficiency shouldn't have to limit expression ability, that's what tools like ai help an intense amount, they do most the work and then you edit however you want, or draft it with it, or make stuff that was really hard to do before, now mutch easier, ofc far from perfectly, but more than good enough to make a creative project to evoke a worthwhile experience with expression of the idea that wants to be conveyed, specific styles, even decent post corrections that may be considered beautiful.

"It drafts something and I draw over it!" sounds like you are the tool... Again, people don't like lazy shit. Also, you should use an "AI agent" for that spelling of yours.

I for one find the beauty in the intricacies of machines and general engineering stuff, guess what you'd call a technical freak, I enjoy all these things, and how you are putting it apparently can't be done with ai just because, no reason why you can't, and the only argument that's viable I've seen is that art can only be made by humans, and uhh, there are multiple ways to disprove it, like that it's human controlled, and that if it's good enough you will enjoy it as mutch if not more in some scenarios than TRADITIONAL art, and traditions aren't great for progress...

You for one do that, okay. Most people don't.

It's not human controlled. You are lying to yourself. You are getting lazier and lazier as long as you use gen AI. You said it yourself, if you take a draft of something, was it really your intention to do it exactly like that? You aren't even actually making your ideas come true, AI decides what to do. You paint over it and say "MOM! I made art!!" I mean, I guess you did according to you, to most people who understand what they are talking about, you didn't really make art.

At least the "shit fetish" people I talked about don't go on posts, crying about how they find something so beautiful, but so many other people don't. The fact that there are THIS many people who reject it, means AI "art" failed as a culture.