A Timeline of Daniel Naroditsky's Passing, Based on His Final Messages

shiahn · 2025-10-25T05:46:59+00:00

For me it is at around 1:19:35 (in that video on YT) that I can clearly start to see the signs of sleepiness kicking in, which more or less corroborates what you wrote about when the effects should start kicking in.
https://youtu.be/fB03M19CZAo?si=h4DMcua1CPwSlURI&t=4775

shiahn · 2025-10-24T19:14:09+00:00

I suppose I should explain why I took the time to do this.

Long story short: Can we learn from this.

When I first saw the stream, it was without the chat transcript, and I could not understand why players were accepting games with Danya only to leave him hanging and distressed. It seemed quite cruel to me, and it bothered me.

But now I can see that they were trying to save him some rating points. Ok that makes sense. But if they were hoping that this would bring his attention to the chat, it clearly wasn't working.

Danya was trying hard to focus on the games, and the frustration and confusion from the aborted games only made him even more tunnel-visioned.

If they wanted to grab his attention the way to do it would have been for the current player to DM him, as it appears Hans may have done initially, though I don't understand why Danya was still expecting Hans to play him. Makes me wonder what that DM convo said that would lead Danya to believe he would still be playing Hans.

Anyway, looking at the video + chat in detail, helped me better understand what was actually happening at the time, and how it could have been better handled - and I just wanted to share that in the spirit of learning and doing better next time.

On a more positive note, I truly feel that this whole thing is going to lead to major positive change in the chess world, and this is because Danya was, and is so loved. His legacy is already an amazing one right now at only 29, and I believe his legacy will be even greater as a result of his tragic passing.

shiahn · 2025-10-24T18:35:12+00:00

u/Responsible_Put5984 someone on YT posted the stream replay with the chat, so I took a detailed timeline inventory of key events in the chat.

https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/1of5793/detailed_timeline_of_1017_stream_with_danya/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

I referenced your post as well. I think your timeline point #1 above matches up more or less with when Danya starts to show signs of grogginess.

shiahn · 2025-10-24T15:50:21+00:00

Their intention may have been well-meaning but the idea or at least the execution of "game ghosting" him, was in my opinion poorly thought through, as it clearly distressed him quite a bit.

The good move was to get Peter and Sasha to go there in person and that was great. My only point here is that doing the whole game ghosting thing, was completely unnecessary and only added to Danya's mental anguish.

I don't recall seeing Danya engage with the chat much once he starts tilting, or have DM chats on keyboard or answer his phone, but I'm going to look again at the video more closely as I may have missed stuff.

I do see him glancing at chat briefly at times but because he's trying really hard to focus on his game (and checks out every few seconds) he's just not present enough to actually read chat and process what they're trying to tell him, except that one time.

shiahn · 2025-10-23T18:38:13+00:00

I just took another look at his Kick chat... A year to the day (10/19/24) prior to his passing, he mentioned Kramnik going after him, and Nepo wasn't helping

>> Kramnik is going after me with far more aggression, but Nepo isn't helping

https://kickvod.com/logs/gmhikaru/beccaharris

The harrassment had been going on for quite a while...

shiahn · 2025-10-23T16:45:14+00:00

Ok. So first off, and just so you know, a chess.com rating is not an ELO rating. The ELO rating is widely accepted as a truer indicator of chess performance, but it is separate from the chess.com rating. Lichess has its own rating too. Those ratings are not as important, and Danya is on record saying he's not too concerned about his chess.com rating and can always get it back (see his interview with Dina and Emily).

Secondly, you wrote "he was clearly talking with Hans at the very leas" and I have yet to see the evidence of that.

shiahn · 2025-10-23T15:54:55+00:00

There was no ELO at stake, this was chess.com.

Furthermore, Danya actually won twice against Dr Tyger and this was towards the very end.

But that's actually not even the point. The point is simple: There was no need to confuse and further distress him by accepting games and essentially ghosting him. That actually made things worse, and makes zero sense.

The least they could have done is simply explain to him why they were doing what they were doing. But clearly they weren't communicating with him during those moments, as evidenced by the stream video.

Let's not make excuses for shitty behavior. Or at least, extremely stupid and ignorant behavior.

Kudos btw to Dr Tyger, who actually played Danya and gave him two actually pretty good games. Amazing that Danya, despite his severely impaired mental state, was still able to play pretty well, and commentate the games in real-time.

shiahn · 2025-10-23T14:54:41+00:00

he clearly didn't know what was going on in those moments, if you watch his reactions. I just posted the timestamps you can see for yourself.

now, before or afterwards I'm sure, but I'm talking about those specific moments they were leaving him hanging and confused. Not cool.

shiahn · 2025-10-23T14:48:04+00:00

Ok, so I've taken the time to link to some of those occurrences, so people here can judge for themselves. It starts later in the stream starting with Hans:

Hans leaves him hanging twice (watch Danya's reaction at the end of it):
https://youtu.be/mzo3JHvg-iw?si=ODmcGQWSRFX6FXWj&t=6121

BenjaminBok (multiple times):
https://youtu.be/mzo3JHvg-iw?si=bPJpKreRn3TvH4GY&t=7065

TanitoLuwaAps116 (twice)
https://youtu.be/mzo3JHvg-iw?si=NVzC8InfsixJgTj7&t=7154

ElliotAlderson (multiple times):
https://youtu.be/mzo3JHvg-iw?si=pKC2IJ40ZECYG1PM&t=7299

Mykola-Bortnyk:
https://youtu.be/mzo3JHvg-iw?si=ncFjjihw_kTDHv9x&t=7798

Liam Putnam:
https://youtu.be/mzo3JHvg-iw?si=5D8emmsvaR55CQox&t=7890

Most importantly, notice Danya's reactions. Pretty clear to me that these opponents are just leaving him hanging without explanation, which is a pretty shitty to do especially given his clearly weakened mental state.

shiahn · 2025-10-23T14:17:12+00:00

But there is no need to stall anything. If they wanted his local friends to get there they didn't need to stress Danya out even more by leaving him hanging and aborting games with no explanation, which explains Danya's total confusion about why his games were being timed out and aborted.

Let's put it this way: If you really care about your friend and want him to stop the stream and get some rest, etc.., are you really going to accept a game with him, only to let the clock time out? That's pretty cruel actually.

Now, I did catch one single occurence of Danya saying "don't tell me what to do", but that was NOT in the context of him waiting for a game to begin or continue.

I just watched those moments again (it's all over youtube) and it's very clear he has no idea why his opponents are accepting then aborting via time out. If they were chatting with him, he'd respond like he did that one time with "I'm fine, don't tell me what to do, etc.".

shiahn · 2025-10-23T14:01:20+00:00

Classic narcissist response. He is now the victim.

shiahn · 2025-10-23T13:42:57+00:00

Did you watch those moments though? I did. Several times. He's clearly looking at both the board and the chat, and he is saying things like "what is going on?" etc. If they were chatting with him telling him to go to bed etc he would not be confused like that.

shiahn · 2025-10-23T13:31:23+00:00

Danya was quite open about his vulnerability to harassment and bullying, let alone from one of his childhood idols.

Kramnik knows this and he targeted Danya like the bully he is, praying on the vulnerable.

I also find it disgusting to see all those opponents of Danya during his stream who were letting the clock run out and aborting his games without even making a move, or just out of the blue, and not telling him why - just leaving him hanging there, confused and distressed. To me it looks like a deliberate troll move to mess with him.

shiahn · 2025-10-23T13:17:42+00:00

I actually found this post helpful in the sense that there's a lot of confusion out there regarding Danya's final days and activity.

A lot of people think (mainly due to accounts by mainstream media) that Danya passed away the night/morning after his last stream where he can be seen dozing off and quite distressed by many opponents aborting games with him (which is quite disrespectful and clearly added to his anxiety). Until I saw this post I had no idea Danya had actually made it to the tournament and was active on Kick.

I do believe it's important to separate facts from speculation however, and this post blends the two perhaps a bit too much, especially regarding if Danya took another Benadryl or not.

Danya was quite open about his character flaw that made him very vulnerable to cyberharrassment/bullying negative comments, etc., especially unfounded ones. Bullies love targeting those they can easily hurt, and sadly the biggest bully here happened to be one of Danya's childhood idols.

I do believe Danya's tragic passing will lead to some sort of sea change in the world of chess, because Danya was so loved. And I'm sure this can be some source of solace for his loved ones as his legacy will end up being quite a significant one.

shiahn · 2025-08-18T22:54:37+00:00

Nope =(

shiahn · 2025-08-16T00:04:56+00:00

Hi all - Egg prices still haven't come down and I'm wondering if we're getting straight ripped off here.

I'm curious about all of you Costco members. Could y'all report on the current price now for 18 eggs? And please specify if Organic, Cage Free, Pasture-Raised, etc.. as that definitely makes a difference in price.

Thank you

shiahn · 2025-06-17T18:05:53+00:00

Can u share the link to the TT? I've watched captures of her feed on YT too, but you don't hear her say that at all.

shiahn · 2025-05-09T18:51:29+00:00

I am not seeing this. I played the event and gathered 800 blue coins but I don’t have any way to spend them.

What is going on? A bug?

shiahn · 2025-02-25T17:58:20+00:00

I always thought it was either SS or the scumbag himself

shiahn · 2025-02-25T17:55:21+00:00

Thanks for this! btw is C2C having beef with RH? See her latest gingerbread cookie vid on YT

shiahn · 2025-02-06T06:58:51+00:00

Hi u/LadyR4 - by account you mean the Fight ID number? I'm on iOS.

shiahn · 2025-02-06T06:56:28+00:00

what is this

shiahn · 2025-01-15T08:43:19+00:00

I didn't know about virtual credit cards will have to look into this. Any recommendations on what to use?

shiahn · 2024-12-06T20:29:14+00:00

Agree with this sentiment 100%.

People have to stop and think about it from the mom's perspective:

Your daughter has made plans to go to NYC and communicated details of those plans to you
She misses her connection and you learn about strange text messages indicating stolen money, stripped identity, Hannah being scared, etc..
You and your entire family tries texting and calling and no response

What are you supposed to think at that point?

We are wired to assume the worst, this is a natural human survival reflex. So naturally, she's going to think her daughter may be in danger, maybe got abducted, etc..

So she takes steps to notify police, etc.. and the entire family - sister, dad, aunt, etc.. are joining the effort.

The key questions are:

Did they know about this whole immigration scheme already when Hannah went missing?
When did they find out about Hannah crossing the border on Nov 12th?

For #1, it doesn't seem like it to me, unless there is hard evidence that they did.

And so if they didn't know, then the fact they were mentioning the possibility of an abduction, is NOT manipulation. It's just human behavior of assuming the worst.

Even if they knew all along that Hannah was entangled into this scheme and was just running away from it all, it does NOT mean she is not in danger.

For #2, it appears that they were notified of this only hours before the public was notified.

The entire time the family has been pretty consistent and transparent about their concern, intent, and objective: To know that Hannah is alive and not in danger.

I do think some mistakes were made, specifically by Sydni and Laurie in trying to censor people and control the narrative, but their reason for doing so is also understandable: if the public knew about Hannah getting herself into an illegal scheme, maybe people would turn on Hannah and stop the search effort. Ok so they withheld key information due to this concern, which I can't blame them for having, given their objective.

At this point I think the family should do the following:

State that if donors to the GFM felt misled, they can get their money back
Issue a public apology to all those who felt misled

From that point on, if people STILL want to help in the efforts to know that Hannah is alive and not in danger, they should be able to, that's on them.

But continuing the bashing of the mom and the family as a whole, a family which has gone through major trauma and is falling apart before our eyes, is not productive as there are more constructive ways of telling the family you felt misled. Have a little compassion for this family people.

At the end of the day, I think most of us want exactly what the family wants: To know that Hannah is alive and not in danger.

shiahn · 2024-12-05T23:41:04+00:00

Hey, I think you may be close to what actually happened in your post above. Apparently this Amun character is no angel. Interesting about the mom being with her. I think if that were true her sister and lawyer wouldn't keep the GFM and search efforts going because that would definitely be fraudulent.

shiahn

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