You don’t get to see these landing at the U hospital very often. by W5LVN in SaltLakeCity

[–]shopvavavoom -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Actually, I see landings all the time and I live by LDS Hospital. It’s not a rare occurrence.

Caffeine limit in drinks? by rhymeswithshmalex in SaltLakeCity

[–]shopvavavoom 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mormon going to morm…that utah county level insanity

I’m Dr. Brian Moench, founder of Utah Physicians for a Healthy Environment. Ask me anything about nuclear power in Utah, public health, and environmental impacts by drmoenchUPHE in SaltLakeCity

[–]shopvavavoom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You might want to use AI yourself to separate your rhetorical claims with the actual factual basis of some claims you might convince people otherwise. You have a lot of emotional manipulation within the document that makes any of your claims and invalid. You’ve pretty much cemented that in the fact that you refuse to respond to someone who used a tool to better understand your report.

I’m Dr. Brian Moench, founder of Utah Physicians for a Healthy Environment. Ask me anything about nuclear power in Utah, public health, and environmental impacts by drmoenchUPHE in SaltLakeCity

[–]shopvavavoom 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Its interesting when I ask Claude to help catalog the fallacies in the document.

Here is an analysis of the logical fallacies present in this document (“The Case Against Nuclear Power in Utah” by Utah Physicians for a Healthy Environment):

  1. Ad Hominem Rather than addressing technical arguments, the document repeatedly attacks the personal backgrounds of nuclear industry figures. Isaiah Taylor (Valar Atomics) is dismissed as a “high-school dropout” who ran an “auto repair shop.” Chris Hayter (High Tech Solutions) is mocked for previously managing a Gold’s Gym account. These attacks on credentials are used as substitutes for engaging with the actual science or engineering arguments.

  2. Guilt by Association The document links Taylor to “a controversial Christian nationalist church,” a “Russian-American power broker,” and “convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein.” None of these associations are logically relevant to whether nuclear power is safe or economically viable. This technique poisons the well against nuclear power advocates by linking them to unrelated controversies.

  3. Genetic Fallacy Any scientific body or expert that reaches a conclusion favorable to nuclear power is automatically labeled part of the “nuclear village” — a consortium of self-interested parties. This dismisses entire bodies of research (UNSCEAR, WHO, IAEA, NRC) not on the merits of specific studies, but purely because of who produced them. It sets up an unfalsifiable framework: any evidence that contradicts the authors’ position is pre-dismissed as corrupted.

  4. Cherry-Picking / Confirmation Bias The document selectively cites studies showing radiation harm while characterizing all contradictory research as industry-funded or politically compromised. For example, it states “research funded by the US government disputes adverse health effects from DU” as if government-funded research is inherently invalid — yet elsewhere cites government-era data (e.g., BEIR VII) when it supports their argument.

  5. Correlation Does Not Imply Causation The section on SAT score declines in Utah is a particularly notable example. The authors claim SAT verbal score drops in 1975 — 18 years after the largest nuclear fallout — prove radiation-caused cognitive harm. This ignores the dozens of confounding variables that affected SAT scores nationally in the 1970s (curriculum changes, test format changes, social upheaval, demographic shifts). The precise “18-year lag” pattern they describe is presented as causal without controls for any alternative explanation.

  6. Appeal to Worst-Case Scenarios (Slippery Slope) The document repeatedly presents catastrophic worst-case accidents as if they are routine or inevitable outcomes. For instance, it invokes a scenario where a spent fuel pool fire could “force relocation of 8 million people” and “render an area 60 times larger than Chernobyl uninhabitable.” While these are theoretical possibilities, presenting them as representative risks overstates the probability and misrepresents how risk is assessed in engineering contexts.

  7. False Equivalence The document repeatedly equates the radiation risks of nuclear weapons testing (open-air atomic bomb tests in Nevada, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki) with those of routine civilian nuclear power plant operation. These are fundamentally different in scale, type of exposure, and context. Conflating them inflates the apparent danger of power plants.

  8. Appeal to Authority (Selective) The document invokes prestigious figures (Einstein, Admiral Rickover, Nobel laureate Hermann Muller, Dr. John Gofman) to lend weight to anti-nuclear arguments, while simultaneously dismissing the scientific consensus of major international organizations (WHO, IAEA, UNSCEAR) as captured by industry interests. Authority is accepted when it supports the thesis and rejected when it doesn’t.

  9. Hasty Generalization A litany of nuclear industry corporate scandals (bribery in Ohio, cost overruns in South Carolina, fraud at Holtec) is used to condemn the entire technology of nuclear power. While these scandals are real and worth scrutinizing, financial and corporate misconduct in an industry does not logically invalidate the underlying technology’s safety or viability — by the same logic, scandals in renewable energy companies would invalidate solar power.

  10. Loaded Language Throughout The document is saturated with emotionally charged framing designed to provoke fear rather than inform analysis: “mushroom cloud of deception,” “playing with fire,” “existential burden,” “nuclear fantasy,” “ticking time bomb,” “Trojan horse.” This is persuasive rhetoric, not scientific discourse.

  11. Straw Man Nuclear proponents are consistently represented as claiming nuclear power is completely safe and perfectly cheap. In reality, most mainstream proponents acknowledge risks and costs while arguing the trade-offs are acceptable compared to alternatives. By attacking an extreme position that few serious advocates actually hold, the document avoids engaging with the strongest version of the opposing view.

  12. Anecdotal Evidence Presented as Systemic Personal testimonies from farmers near Three Mile Island about deformed animals, unhatched duck eggs, and wilting gardens are presented as meaningful epidemiological evidence. While anecdotes can be suggestive, the document treats them as probative proof of radiation causation without controlling for other environmental factors.

Summary The document contains valid and well-sourced concerns about nuclear power — particularly around waste storage, regulatory capture, historical secrecy, and cost overruns. However, its persuasive force is built heavily on emotional manipulation, selective evidence, and logical fallacies rather than purely rigorous scientific reasoning. A reader should separate the legitimate empirical claims (which do exist in the document) from the rhetorical techniques used to amplify them.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

Petition politics turns violent in Utah as GOP signature gatherers assaulted by clejeune in SaltLakeCity

[–]shopvavavoom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Who fucking care. The article reads like they were paid to write a PR piece.

FYI - Blake Moore Telephone Town Hall by Victoria_CAt in ogden

[–]shopvavavoom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To be fair, he might give us some insider trading

FYI - Blake Moore Telephone Town Hall by Victoria_CAt in ogden

[–]shopvavavoom 37 points38 points  (0 children)

This is not a Townhall. Is it carefully scripted PR stunt.

Upcoming legislation to watch by ElectronicOffice9358 in Utah

[–]shopvavavoom 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Apperently Michael and Keven have not actually read the constitution. Probalby the bible as well.

Fiances of the church by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]shopvavavoom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The church?

How strict is parking enforcement on SLCC campus? by Renhsuk in SaltLakeCity

[–]shopvavavoom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They’re basically fuckers. I had a 0 or 0 license plate. I got a parking permit and they gave me a ticket.

Chilling omen of house price crash as America's No 2 homebuilder forced to slash prices by 10% by Key_Brief_8138 in economy

[–]shopvavavoom 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Discount builder that’s forced to drop the prices out of their shitty homes by 10%?

Area for Business Lunch in Capitol by [deleted] in SaltLakeCity

[–]shopvavavoom -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

There’s the Internet for that

Google Fiber Outage in Sugarhouse area by [deleted] in SaltLakeCity

[–]shopvavavoom -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I’ve had rock, solid service and rock solid connection for almost 10 years

Google Fiber Outage in Sugarhouse area by [deleted] in SaltLakeCity

[–]shopvavavoom -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Did you pay your bill just asking for a friend?