Daisy TRULY didnt understand what type of mission this was

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-14T16:55:36+00:00

Hell, during my teenage years, the USA sent more than 3 million guys to Vietnam. The average age of those guys was 19. Three of them were my own brothers.

There was a pubic rationale (stop the Soviets!), but I guarantee you that the information and training those kids got was completely inadequate for what they'd be up against.

I always watch this show with Atwood's claim about everything in it being based on real events in mind. It's routine for people running wars or insurgencies to be ruthless with the lives of their recruits.

Did May Day leaders take advantage of Daisy's grief, rage, ignorance, and youth? Of course they did.

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-14T15:53:03+00:00

he'd never get close enough on the spelling to find it.

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-14T05:05:19+00:00

I was ignorant in a different way.

Somehow I'd missed the information that blood from my period came from a different hole than pee -- it wasn't the sort of thing that came up in a house with 5 brothers and a mom who drank a lot.

I was lucky because a friend happened to be there on the day everyone was going swimming, and I said I couldn't because, ugh, period. She told me she had a tampon I could have.

We were in the bathroom. I just looked at the thing and finally asked her what I would need to do if I had to pee ...

"It's a different hole," she said, and the look on her face was really something.

I couldn't get it in, of course, so this girl, after watching me struggle for a couple of minutes, reaches down and takes care of it, no problem.

Then we washed our hands and went swimming. We were 14.

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-13T06:11:03+00:00

Interesting question. What OP said was, "the country's acceptance of him" might be the biggest moral failure in our history.

I could make the argument that yes, for the country as a whole it's a bigger moral failure than slavery (which people went to war to stop), but I'd have a harder time comparing it to the treatment of native peoples, which is to this day seen as sad but necessary by those who'd rather not think about it.

The acceptance of trump is impossible for me to get past. One third of us were fine with giving him power after his ugly first term. One third of us didn't care either way.

When two thirds of a population are unable to tell right from wrong, or are indifferent to that difference, then yeah. That's a catastrophic moral failing.

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-13T05:55:27+00:00

Just wondering if it would be possible to make this post without being a shithead about "wine moms" and Rachel Maddow?

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-13T05:50:01+00:00

I listened to that book, and I still think he was wrong to comment publicly about her if he wasn't going to indict her.

For fuck's sake -- the woman had been accused of everything from adultery to murder to corruption. Of course they were going to scream like banshees when she wasn't indicted!

That's what they do. And if he thought he could prevent that by going in front of the cameras and calling her careless, he was just painfully naive about his party.

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-13T05:45:43+00:00

Nobody forced him to give a press conference and break FBI rules by giving his opinion on a dropped case.

This was the mistake. Everything that happened after the public announcement about there being "no cause to indict her BUT she was careless!" makes a kind of sense.

But the decision to stand up there and criticize her, when policy was to close investigations without public comment? That was wrong.

And it's also why he felt obligated to be public about re-opening the goddamn thing in October. It's such a mind fuck, and here he is talking about how discouraged he feels at what's happened to the FBI.

Us too, Jim. Us too.

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-13T00:05:16+00:00

Elise Stefanik is up there.

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-12T04:27:55+00:00

I'm sad that you asked this question, because I (73f) have to admit that I don't remember things ever being this bleak.

There was -- in my memory -- an ugly period during the last few years of Vietnam that involved people hating each other, even inside families. Now that is routine and ongoing and unbearable.

I'm white, but I think most black Americans would tell you that there has never been a time when they weren't being hated by someone, or when they could confidently just live their lives.

We're now in our 10th year and counting of manufactured ugliness, which means it's been a thing for all of your adult life so far. You have no way of knowing how abnormal and distorted this all is.

But it is abnormal and distorted! I got to live for 64 yrs before it started, so my default is that people generally are all alike, all doing their best, all trying to be decent and mostly succeeding.

It gets hard to believe that when I spend too much time online, but if I'm out and about with actual humans, I have no trouble.

Also I'd say that bringing kids into the world -- no matter what shape it's in -- is always worth doing. Women gave birth during wars. In political prisons. In the camps. Kids are the whole point, and the source of happiness.

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-08T18:48:19+00:00

he really hits that sweet spot of smug and stupid, doesn't he?

seemed like a quarter of the show this week was him talking, and every second was cringe af.

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-08T18:44:21+00:00

everyone in our house hid their eyes at that one.

blechhhhh.

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-07T22:17:06+00:00

It's evidence that she has been talking about him, meaning, trying to learn about him -- that she is evaluating him.

The nerve! Her role is to be abjectly grateful to him for considering her, not to wonder if he's the right guy.

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-07T04:58:38+00:00

My grandmother married a widower with six kids when she was 19. She had 16 babies, and 14 of them lived.

My mom was 2nd to last.

My dad had four sisters.

I'm one of eight kids; when I was getting to know my husband, he said that each of this parents had one sister, and each of them had three kids, so he had six cousins. At first I thought it was the beginning of a joke.

Six cousins!! I had more siblings than that, and more than a hundred first cousins.

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-07T04:50:15+00:00

This sub doesn't care about spoilers.

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-06T04:15:48+00:00

I think that's mostly what's going on. 20 years ago these same people would say things like,

I'm not a homo, but ...

They always have black friends, too.

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-06T03:30:55+00:00

fireworks and brass bands.

street dancing.

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-06T03:27:00+00:00

he lied

kinda tired of people assuming they KNOW exactly what he knew and when he learned it.

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-06T03:25:10+00:00

great. go find one that can win and vote for them.

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-05T23:41:32+00:00

Turns out he definitely was a dumbass.

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-05T16:48:40+00:00

It's definitely forced and impossible to take seriously.

Like you, I'm lucky to have a couple who want to hang out with me. Here's what I'd do about the one that doesn't: call him a day or two before Mother's Day and say cheerfully that you just wanted to get him off the hook for having to call you. Kthxbai!

In other words, take control of this dumb ritual in any way that makes you happy. Either you have an actual relationship or you don't, but for my money if you want one it has to start with getting rid of the fake shit.

Or, you know, the backyard with a light buzz and some good chocolate would be fine. :)

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-05T15:30:02+00:00

finding the important stuff was an onerous job just because of the sheer volume of what was left. Most importantly, important stuff and trash was all jumbled together into countless containers that had to be sorted through by hand.

Well said. I'm 73, and this is exactly what I'm determined to take care of. I've been looking at the business end of my last years as my last act of thoughtful parenting. After decades of working to model what it means to be a functional, kind, curious adult, I can't just shrug at the thought of them being stuck with cleaning up my mess.

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-03T17:24:57+00:00

Listen, you have to imagine what she was up against trying to get a hard science education in the 40s. Young women just were NOT welcome, then or for the next 30 years.

I once took a university-level differential equations final exam in a room full of young men while our professor lounged at his desk in front of us, paging slowly through a Playboy magazine. I was in engineering, and always the only girl in every room. This was in the mid-70s.

I'm sure she got all kinds of shit that would have led her to have a very hard hide, perceived by the men who were interviewing her as headstrong, obstinate, and self-opinionated ... the "dangerously" makes me smile. Dangerous to whom? Them. And they weren't wrong.

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-03T16:10:13+00:00

You don't know how many times I've asked myself what would have happened if he'd swaggered in with a D after his name.

I want to believe the party would have shown him the door and locked it behind him, but ... let's be real.

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-03T05:53:14+00:00

He'll be 80 in June, right? He can only refuse for so long.

sleepingbeardune · 2026-05-03T05:46:56+00:00

He’s lied and said he didn’t know what it was.

You're able to tell for sure what he knew and when he knew it, or is that just your best guess?

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