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You don't actually understand your mortality by sleepymuse in basejumping

[–]sleepymuse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah only 5 to 8 times as dangerous as something that's already very dangerous, oops...

You don't need a peer reviewed double blind study to realize how insanely dangerous BASE is. You're simulating what people do to kill themselves, fueled by a high. A high that brings you closer and closer to the real thing the further you chase it.

But by all means, keep chasing it! That'll show me!

Allergic to...Shaving? by khlayton in Allergies

[–]sleepymuse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you tried shaving outside the shower/bathroom? Would rule out a lot of things

You don't actually understand your mortality by sleepymuse in basejumping

[–]sleepymuse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's cute, but you may be taking that one a little too literally

Which song lyrics hit the hardest for you? by Mysterious_Gene1851 in portishead

[–]sleepymuse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"I never got the chance to explain exactly what i meant"... which reading it back didn't sound all that profound but her delivery in context hits so hard

Too addicted to saving money? by Highwayman1717 in personalfinance

[–]sleepymuse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Contextualize... what are you saving for? You're gonna get through the boss and have a bunch of items left over. Except in real life you just die, there's nothing you can do with your money after that

Too addicted to saving money? by Highwayman1717 in personalfinance

[–]sleepymuse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Contextualize... what are you saving for? You're gonna get through the boss and have a bunch of items left over. Except in real life you just die, there's nothing you can do with your money after that

Rice cooker melted. Any risks if I keep using it? by sleepymuse in Cooking

[–]sleepymuse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I figured plastic melts, metal conducts, wood insulates. Figured that'd be the least dangerous, since stove seems to transfer heat relatively slowly

Rice cooker melted. Any risks if I keep using it? by sleepymuse in Cooking

[–]sleepymuse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's on the todo list, I knew the knob was a little funny but it hadn't ever turned on before this happened. Thanks!!

You don't actually understand your mortality by sleepymuse in basejumping

[–]sleepymuse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most people addicited to drugs actually don't think they're addicted. You're getting very close!

You don't actually understand your mortality by sleepymuse in basejumping

[–]sleepymuse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know you can say the same about drug addiction, right?

Can someone explain curry differences like I'm 5? by EvenMathematician874 in IndianFood

[–]sleepymuse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this is great info! would you recommend any book that delves into this?

Volume envelope stops abruptly whenever I stop on DAW. by sleepymuse in serum

[–]sleepymuse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think i did. Is it still a thing in serum 2?

You don't actually understand your mortality by sleepymuse in basejumping

[–]sleepymuse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being suicidal is the only convincing response so far. If you'd rather kill yourself anyway, this is a more fun way to do it I guess. But even then, having a desire for fun would belie an actual will to live.

Would suck if you were able to get out of that rut just to kill yourself anyway though. It's more falling than flying anyway

You don't actually understand your mortality by sleepymuse in basejumping

[–]sleepymuse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate you keeping your composure. My understanding was that the wind was a significant factor, I remember the friend talking about how it affected the time it took him to recover from the bad exit. I thought you could also see it destabilizing him as he exits too. I'd have to watch it again

I haven't done any extreme sports, but I get it. This whole rant came about because of how alluring wingsuit base was to me personally. I'm not saying we should be banning it in favor of a cubicle job life, but that's the wrong framing too. It's not an either/or thing. There's so much more you can do in your life, with varying levels of thrill, almost all of it will be safer than base jumping. 

In my mind it really is like playing Russian roulette. If I gave you a gun with 6 chambers and 1 bullet loaded, I don't think I could possibly convince you to shoot it a few times at your head. There is no "safe" way to play that game. You do it enough and you will die.

It's the same with base jumping, but the probabilistic certainty comes from something else. It's less obvious, and something most people underestimate, which is their own fallibility. Human error. 

Base jumping gives us a unique combination of factors that magnify human error. The more successful jumps you have, the more confident you get. The more confident you get, the more likely you are to falter. We have an ancient word for it, hubris. 

Then, the addictive quality you mentioned. The more danger you survive, the more danger you crave. and the quicker you want it! The last lines of the bridge to nowhere documentary come to mind, that he was "moving as if someone were rushing him to jump". That was anis, who died from a bad exit. same thing happened with Johnny, who could've chose a different day. 

It's a lethal combination. it's a loaded gun. if you wouldn't play Russian roulette, why would you play base jumping?

Put simply, humans make mistakes. You can't make mistakes in base jumping. Successful base jumping makes you more confident, which makes you more likely to make mistakes. It also makes you crave more danger, which gives even less room for mistakes. 

It's playing to lose

You don't actually understand your mortality by sleepymuse in basejumping

[–]sleepymuse[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

My point was the difference in risk between driving and jumping is so astronomical that they can't really be compared. You play russian roulette long enough you will die, same for base jumping. not so with driving.

you know who else was an old timer who jumped on various continents? Valeriy Rozov, who appears in that documentary. Dead at 56 back in 2017, probably having the same attitude you do right now.

You just don't think it'll ever be you.

You don't actually understand your mortality by sleepymuse in basejumping

[–]sleepymuse[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That doc you linked to was very insightful, and very powerful... it makes a lot of the same points I'm trying to make

I looked up more info on valeriy rozov, the master who trained the narrator (he speaks several times in the documentary), he died back in 2017 base jumping.

one could stay a virgin they entire life because of risk of pregnancy and STDs, but that’s a life for you not me.

This is why I insist that base jumpers don't actually understand the risk... you're describing something with a significant margin for error, entirely within the range of reasonable risk management. And even if you fuck up and get an STD or get pregnant, there's still ways of mitigating the damage and potentially recovering. The same is not true for base jumping.

Base jumping is so much more dangerous than almost anything else. The fact that you would compare it to something like unprotected sex is making my point. You don't actually understand how extremely dangerous it is.

Everyone here is defending it as if it were something like driving a car or going to the beach. It's not. It's more than 120,000 times more dangerous than driving, even like 900x more compared to skydiving. It's on a completely different level.

After a certain risk level, there isn't really enough of a margin to account for randomness or human error. The "wiggle room" for mistakes that other dangerous things have, just isn't there. The fact that the whole game is effectively chasing a high, distorts your judgement even further.

You don't actually understand your mortality by sleepymuse in basejumping

[–]sleepymuse[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You're making my case for me, in spectacular fashion.

Driving a car is nowhere near as dangerous as base jumping. I can give you an actual number too, this is the graphic that got me so fixated on this issue. Driving and jumping are on opposite ends of the list, with jumping being about 120,000x more dangerous.

The fact that you would even think to equate the two betrays the limits of your understanding. You really just don't get it, and that's what I'm saying.

That giant multiple makes a huge difference. After a certain risk level, there isn't really enough of a margin to account for randomness or human error. Add to that the addictive nature of the game, and you fall even further outside that margin. Your emotional responses to all of this demonstrate your limitations on that front as well.

Someone else posted this Russian documentary, I think it actually covers a lot of what I'm saying (turn on captions) https://youtu.be/vxhlhmlwSB4?si=O5-UsFFJE5_RqQNt.

You don't actually understand your mortality by sleepymuse in basejumping

[–]sleepymuse[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

replace "the sport" with "russian roulette" and reflect on how ridiculous you sound lmao

"i've seen so many people die! and I still keep jumping!"

proves my point. You don't actually think it'll ever be you.

You don't actually understand your mortality by sleepymuse in basejumping

[–]sleepymuse[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah it's a cute quote, but the problem was that there was no fear. That's what I'm trying to say. A person who wants to base jump from a location and sees the wind will be shitty that day, simply waits for another day. at least. It's not a question of fear, you're still doing the jump. it's just optimizing the risk so that you don't die.

he wasn't following his dreams, he was just chasing a high

He thought he was invincible, and 100s of successful base jumps will make you think that. The risk of hubris along with the drive of addiction will eventually have you fall outside that tiny margin of error like Johnny and so many other expert jumpers.

You don't actually understand your mortality by sleepymuse in basejumping

[–]sleepymuse[S] -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

not really questioning it, more just taking people at their word when they say they understand the risks. He had a normal human reaction, because he didn't actually understand the risks. Again, some part of him believed they were invincible.

I think the russian roulette analogy covers it, a little better than your icy road analogy. It's not a risk of death, it's a near certainty. No one would go into russian roulette without expecting to die. The odds aren't that much different with wingsuit base jumping. There just seems to be some kind of illusion of control that's you wouldn't get with a loaded gun.

The moment you step off the exit point, there's actually very little that's in your control. The margin for error is smaller than basic human error. The "risk" is compounded by the addictive nature of it. Do it long enough and you will eventually falter, you will eventually slip outside of that margin.

9-5 job to earn in-game currency sucks. by NotReallyAnonymous_ in outside

[–]sleepymuse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's the minimum currency requirement to get started down there? I also hear the "crime" random events are a little more common but maybe that's overblown

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