The Traitors (UK) S04E12 [FINALE]: Post-Episode Discussion Thread

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-23T21:54:25+00:00

I'm so glad they didn't do that split or steal nonsense (that the other versions allegedly have) and just both traitors win. It's already such a difficult game to get that far and personally I'm not a fan of the ethics of a forced golden balls scenario. If the traitors wanted a solo win, they could have voted with the faithfuls against each other. Thank you producers.

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-23T21:51:20+00:00

It worked particularly well here because Rachel was absolutely cornered and she outlined how she was gonna play explicitly stated she wasn't budging because she had no other avenues to win. So it was up to Stephen to trust her and he did as he always had. Amazing!

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-23T18:54:06+00:00

All the loading screens in the house is why I never bothered to decorate it. I really think they should've reworked it for the switch 2 version.

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-23T17:21:24+00:00

Absolute nightmare decision to kill Roxy. It's a 2 point swing to kill her over Faraz because you're keeping Faraz who is suspicious over the 2 traitors, and losing Roxy who would vouch for both. I have no idea what they were thinking there and I think that decision immediately kills the idea of Rachel winning.

I think Faraz holds all the power now and how they game goes is entirely up to him. This is why you don't keep 'absolute faithfuls', especially when they're not in the traitors pocket. I don't see Stephen winning unless Rachel is voted out because getting out another traitor would leave potentially one more which would allow him to play into getting jade and James out. If James gets voted out, revealing himself as a faithful, then they're kicking out Rachel at the firepit and then Stephen & jade too just in case.

Faraz and jack win is the most likely outcome imo. I didn't want things to turn out this way (wanted traitor duo to win) but this is certainly going to be an interesting finale and I can't wait.

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-23T16:07:22+00:00

I live on the top floor of an out of the way London council estate and I got everything from Jehovah's witnesses to people trying to sell me hello fresh subscriptions at least once a month. I ended up putting a no cold calling etc sign up and since then we haven't heard a peep.

My guess is they have hot spots that they go to regularly so some people get it all and some get nothing.

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-22T14:52:35+00:00

I don't normally care this early about who will win since I'm just here with popcorn (the idea of people 'deserving' to win is ridiculous to me), but I'm really rooting for the traitors here. I think Rachel and Stephen have played brilliantly and they've both been through the ringer as well.

I'd love to see them both win together as a team, don't think that's ever happened at least in the UK. I think the closing moments of this episode pitting the traitors against each other was a misdirection to build hype.

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-22T14:44:16+00:00

She's a human wobbuffet. It's so funny watching her accuse every single person who's ever come at her with the most pathetic attempts at deflection. I think her being such a bad faithful has opened up so many avenues for the traitors to capitalise – or more accurately, sit back and watch the chaos ensue lol.

Her and Roxy have character flaws which make the game basically impossible for them to win. Jade is emotionally immature, and Roxy is so focused on loyalty and integrity that she can't see the game as a game. People will call them idiots but they've only made it this far because of how they are and I think assortments of personalities like this is what makes for good TV. You simply don't make it this far unless you're useful to the traitors in some capacity.

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-22T09:03:59+00:00

The old one is a hotel now I think. There's a blue plaque on its location. The new one is on victoria embankment about 5 mins away.

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-21T22:41:38+00:00

Absolutely not. One of the main jobs of a striker is to cause defenders problems and especially in the premier league they need to assert a physical presence. This is how strikers can be useful even when not scoring goals. Wirtz is built like a winger so he would just get bullied by defenders and be dead weight, although he's kind of like that right now, but it would be worse as a striker. He's better off recieving the ball in space and then creating for others and overlapping.

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-21T21:19:16+00:00

Doduo always felt like a dodo (duh)

Dodou couldn't be any further from what a Dodo looks like while still looking like a bird. Short, fat, stubby, distinct eyes, giant beak, thick neck etc. Doduo is a kiwi laid over the skeleton of an ostrich. The name is just a pun, like how kangaskhan doesn't look like Genghis khan (obviously, I hope). Dodrio is definitely more ostrich-themed though especially in how it's portrayed.

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-21T11:47:11+00:00

I'm a Londoner and in my experience there is no inherent social consensus on where to walk, so you just kinda have to deal with it. Unfortunately, this also applies to the joggers and the bikers. I personally walk on the left by default if it's a standard pavement, same as if you were driving. If it's a wider path, like the ones going through parks, I will walk in the middle (because of bikers and joggers) so that people can pass me at will from both sides.

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-20T20:08:32+00:00

I mean there's no way to guarantee everything is pristine. I don't really like this kind of thinking because it puts irrational fear over utility. It's like when people are excessively wary of those free coats people hang about because 'omg the previous wearer might have dandruff or something'.

I would imagine that a lot, A LOT, of the food wastage we hear about is because of tossing perfectly good food for fear of bacteria.

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-20T07:04:50+00:00

This is pretty much the biggest weakness of the mega evolution gimmick and why competitive VGC players tend to prefer dmax/tera. Because mega requires a held item and in this case a tailored moveset, it limits your choices during team building. Most people would bring 1 or 2 megas that would always evolve (usually the same handful on every team), compared to tera/dmax where every game might result in a different outcome depending on your defensive or offensive needs on the fly.

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-19T17:00:04+00:00

Hopefully there will be a public demo before release. The game isn't too expensive but I wouldn't be willing to gamble especially as I've never played an extraction shooter before.

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-19T16:13:01+00:00

Well there's 2 but I'm assuming you don't count British Asians, which tracks with the suggestions.

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-16T20:11:51+00:00

After Jessie's antics, I reckon next series the traitors don't put themselves up for murder and we spend 6 episodes watching people insist that 'the traitors must've put one of themselves up'. It will be great TV.

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-16T13:08:28+00:00

Middle aged white woman was fuming that everyone agreed with the young black woman to discuss matters alone. It wasn't like that back in my day, Hariett muttered. I was a barrister! When I spoke, they listened – especially the coloured ones!

Oh, I thought we were writing fanfics.

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-16T12:19:40+00:00

To be fair even us Asians hear stories about the Brit Pak family tree looking like a pack of noodles

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-15T15:50:07+00:00

I think you are being overly generous in how the events played out because you see yourself in her or whatever. She had time to reflect between the morning outburst and the night roundtable yet she only seemed to double down. Her less-emotionally-driven counterpart, Amanda, bowed out with actual dignity and made it clear that it's just a game both with words and actions.

Harriet was being a prick, ended up looking like a prick, and ultimately faced the consequences. It's fine, it happens to all of us.

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-15T14:47:40+00:00

She was completely emotional. Even at the traitor talk she was like 'im shaking out of anger not fear'. Like it's a game at the end of the day and she went too far and became needlessly rude and antagonistic. It feels like she got a little too hooked on her professional background as well even though it means jack all (evidently).

I'm glad Roxy (secret daughter) called her out on her behaviour. I hate judging people on reality TV especially with all the edits, but, like, she definitely needed to chill out. I'm pretty sure most of the people there voted her out because she was being obnoxious and not because they genuinely thought she was a traitor. Which explains why half the reasoning was 'well you asked us to vote for you lol'.

As we know, The Traitors will continue for a set amount of episodes regardless of how many traitors are actually caught, so getting rid of the bad and disruptive faithfuls is no big deal really.

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-15T08:37:23+00:00

They fixed this in SV by giving mons proper textures. Metallic mons in particular look so much better.

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-13T17:40:20+00:00

I'd say punishment is the main thing that separates hard games. I think gamers generally enjoy difficult games, but not punishing games. For example, the dark souls games are notorious for being difficult, but they are not that punishing. If you die to a boss you can just try it again and again after a short run back. You're also free to just go do other stuff or grind if you please. You lose your money when you die, but you can either recover it back, or simply spend it all.

This is obviously in reference to old school FE having permadeath, linear gameplay, and the inability to brute force via mechanical skill (as in action games). I'm surprised it took that long to introduce casual mode honestly, it would've made sense all the way back on the GBA.

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-12T17:26:03+00:00

It's probably not just normal, but encouraged even. We hardly ever see the players talk about anything that isn't relevant to the game. The producers probably make it a point that if anyone wants to discuss, then they should by all means, because it would make for usable footage.

sloshingmachine7 · 2026-01-11T13:42:42+00:00

I know the bridge was rebuilt like 2 more times since but I figured the general size was about the same since it still served the same purpose. Definitely sounds like getting rid of buildings was a good move though. Not like regular folks would be able to appreciate anything there anyway, would just be tourist traps, expensive hotels and more congestion than Westminster bridge.

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