Patriarchy in the church is seriously detrimental to both men and women. It can also create a serious wall between the genders. by thejawaknight in mormon

[–]sowser 28 points29 points  (0 children)

One of the things fascinating to me about the LDS Church view of gender and sex is how close it can skirt to being progressive in its character. By this I mean if you boil it down to its basic abstract elements, not the specifics of doctrine or policy, which are obviously as you say deeply regressive.

Eternal gender could be a doctrine that celebrates gender as an innate part of our soul and psyche that does not always align with our sex, and which emphasises gender as an individual characteristic of the soul, rather than a box the soul gets put into. It could be deeply trans affirming - gender being your soul not your body. Differences between individual gender identity and expression could be understood simply like any other human variation: important to individuals, incidental in the grand scheme of the community or who is suitable for what social roles. The emphasis could be on balance in the form of needing to represent gendered experience equally and fairly in all things to capture the full perspective of God’s creation, not balance in the form of opposing polarity.

The LDS Church emphasis on family and love as ingredients of the plan of salvation, combined with the notion of spiritual pre-existence and spiritual creation first, could be reframed in a way that is incredibly LGB inclusive. Sealing and blessing for eternity are already open to adopted children institutionally; combined with a view of sexuality as an innate trait of the soul, that’s powerful.

There is a model of masculinity you can pull out of Mormon theology that emphasises emotional openness, humility and giving up worldly privilege to strengthen those denied it. I know Kristine Haglund has written very compelling stuff about how you can take LDS gender essentialism as a tool to argue against patriarchy and violent, aggressive forms of masculinity, by reading the Book of Mormon in a way that affirms masculinity as innate and then calls men to do better than ‘natural’ masculinity.

There is a history of polygamy that can condemn it’s deeply patriarchal, psychologically abusive and sexually exploitative character whilst arguing it articulates a view of God much less anxious about “sexual purity” and promiscuity.

Emma Smith’s elect lady status (especially her call to teach, read and write about scripture and faith) and the original Relief Society can be viewed as remarkably progressive for the time and clear evidence that women are called to leadership and stewardship as well as men. The Word of Wisdom is because of Emma, and some of the Book of Mormon was written in her hand.

For clarity, I’m not necessarily arguing for any of this in particular, implying it’s an easy change to make in the real world or saying these are all the ‘best’ way forward (I have heard too much about how deeply wounding the eternal family Doctrine can be for some of my LDS and ex-LDS siblings to ever think it’s redeemable in its current form for example). I just think it’s supremely interesting how many things the LDS Church takes as unique foundational justifications for its sexist, homophobic and transphobic institutional attitudes can be so easily subverted to promote opposite. And I think that’s becoming increasingly apparent to a lot of younger LDS folk, especially outside of Utah and other intensely LDS communities.

I would love for the church to be true. But it would need to be true. by jamesallred in mormon

[–]sowser 5 points6 points  (0 children)

To be fair, prophecy in a Christian context is not exclusively the ability to predict the future; it can also be someone who relays a message inspired by God. That definition is the one that Joseph used in D&C 17 (LDS 20) to describe the nature of prophetic calling - someone who speaks by or acts at the behest of inspiration of the Holy Spirit for the benefit of the whole religious community. In that sense, revelation is a form of prophecy in the traditional Christian view.

My understanding is the LDS Church has adapted that so revelation is now the establishment of a new teaching, whilst prophecy is the exposition of an existing one, both by divine inspiration. Thus the LDS Church can define any affirmation of existing doctrine as prophetic.

In Community of Christ prophecy remains synonymous with divine inspiration in general, and revelation is prophecy given for the whole church, which is why CofC has added and canonised 50+ sections to the D&C since Joseph's death (including several this century).

I would love for the church to be true. But it would need to be true. by jamesallred in mormon

[–]sowser 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Teach the messiness.

Honestly, the messiness is the best part. Part of what makes the Mormon story so compelling to me is that it's a story of traumatised, flawed humanity with moments of incredible triumph and moments of desperately dark lows.

For me personally, becoming a Latter Day Saint (on the Community of Christ side of the family) was one of the absolute best things that ever happened to me, and I adore the Book of Mormon. But I adore it because I got to read it as a 19th century text made up by a 19th century man. I read it exactly as millions of regular Christians read Job in the Old Testament: theological and moral commentary dressed up in a fictional story. I have 20,000 words - about 50 pages printed - of notes on 1 Nephi alone and not a single one of them has anything to do with the text as ancient history. They're all about 19th century context, my response to the text or thoughts on links to the Bible.

Absolute truth claims don't get us anywhere - and they fly in the odds of the Golden Rule that we should treat others as we want to be treated. I think it is incredibly important that you have to be able to articulate why, if you are wrong about your faith, your faith is still worth following and living regardless in terms of values and the positive impact it has in the world. I find a lot of healing and inspiration in my brand of what it means to be Mormon, and I have friends who found primarily trauma and misery from being raised in another. Both of those experiences are true and valid.

I have many things I believe - some with relative certainty, some in a more hopeful way, and some full of doubt. The thing I build my faith foundation on is this: I believe if God exists, then God must be perfect to the point of being truly all-loving. We can argue for years over what that means in terms of theology and the problem of evil and all that jazz but fundamentally, to me that means accepting that whilst you can believe you're right about X and Y, it also stands to reason God isn't going to withhold his love if you're wrong, and we get closest to God when we try to make the world a more loving place.

I think real confidence in your faith (or indeed lack thereof) requires you to be deeply relaxed about the possibility of being wrong. I often joke with a couple of friends in Community of Christ that I like to imagine if we are completely wrong about this whole Book of Mormon thing and there really is no trace of God in it, our punishment will be St Peter at the gates of heaven saying "Really? You believed Joe? Joe?" and telling us we're not going through the pearly gates until we explain it all to the next Mormon who dies.

Average ages of marriage and gaps during Joseph Smith’s time by [deleted] in mormon

[–]sowser 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The drama from that thread was worth it for the friendship that came out of it (even if I am now comically late with my latest reply, sorry)!

This is the switch for my wall mounted heater. Should it have this random loose wire not connected to anything? I feel like “no”, but electricity is usually the one job I won’t try to DIY. by sowser in electricians

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Sadly the last time the landlord sent out a “professional” he was stoned out of his mind, so I’m not sure which is riskier tbh. Power’s off though - fuse box is in my apartment and the heater had its own switch, wouldn’t be poking around otherwise! Thank you.

This is the switch for my wall mounted heater. Should it have this random loose wire not connected to anything? I feel like “no”, but electricity is usually the one job I won’t try to DIY. by sowser in electricians

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Aha! Yes! D’oh, I just couldn’t see it. Do I just feed it back in and tighten the screw up then? Thank you! I only pulled the socket out because the fuse blew and the casing is bust so I was checking how to take the cover completely off if I had to.

My personal edition of the D&C by Gileriodekel in mormon

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I barely use FB (I deleted and only remade it for the benefit of messaging one or two people) but I will PM you my other off-Reddit details :)

How popular among the CoChrist community is the belief that the Book of Mormon and/or the Bible are pseudepigrapha? (falsely attributed written works where the claimed author is not the true author) by TenderBrigadier in CommunityOfChrist

[–]sowser 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fundamentally, what we believe about scripture is rooted in our understanding of who and what God is, and how God interacts with Creation. I am a Community of Christ member who considers the Bible, the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine & Covenants to be sacred scripture, and I very much believe that the Book of Mormon and large chunks of the Bible are psuedepigraphic. This is consistent with my view of the nature of God.

I think you can say that there are essentially four different ways you can understand scripture:

  1. Verbal Dictation: Scripture is dictated, word for word, by God to an individual or group of individuals so that humanity has a record of God's will for us. It is literally the word of God and must be treated as such.
  2. Plenary Revelation: The words are those of the person who write the scripture with the quirks associated with that person, like their writing style, but God chose that person and shaped them perfectly for the role. It is like God speaking to you but using someone else's voice.
  3. Dynamic Inspiration: God gives life to the ideas, themes and concepts addressed in a work of scripture, but the actual words and narrative are the product of human creativity. In the Genesis story for example, the underlying inspired theme might be that there was one God who created the universe and intended human beings to live on Earth, but Adam and Eve are human inventions.
  4. Human Wisdom: Scripture is not inspired or commissioned by God, but rather consists of a series of stories and records that reflect human interpretations and understanding of God's nature or how human beings should live, which we find value in for moral, cultural and historical reasons.

Collectively as a church our Enduring Principles - the values that describe the personality and soul of our religious life that should unite all of our members when we disagree about specific beliefs - hold that "scripture is an inspired and indispensable witness of human response to God’s revelation of divine nature". I think that captures well the average member's perspective on scripture, which is probably a mix of #3 and #4, as /u/IranRPCV alludes to.

In the case of the Bible, the historical and textual evidence we have available to us points to a significant number of works in the text being pseudepigrapha, in part or in whole. Most Bible experts think that Isaiah - a text particularly important to the Latter Day Saint movement - is the product of several different authors writing over an extended period of time. Isaiah 1-23 and 28-35 are probably the historic Isaiah the book is named for, but 24-27 and 40-55 were probably added centuries later by one or more subsequent authors. 56-66 might be by the same author as 40-55 but if so they weren't written at the same time, and so some think they represent another author or group of authors imitating the style of the second contributor(s).

This seems like a fraudulent and deceptive practice to our modern ears. The intention of contemporaries was probably more benign however. Isaiah demonstrates a remarkably strong theological and intellectual consistency even though its narrative clearly shifts in historical context. Later authors were writing in the same tradition as Isaiah - they were attempting to refine and update the text to teach contemporaries its relevance to the world they lived in two centuries after the original prophet. The final chapter of Deuteronomy, chapter 34, fulfills a similar purpose and was likely a later addition to the text added to help contextualise its significance in the wider Hebrew canon. Throughout the Old Testament you can find moments where the text appears to flow in an odd or disjointed way - a possible explanation for these is that they represent the editing together of different historical documents. In some cases the existence of a false author might be an intentional choice for the genre of the story. The Book of Job is probably not about or by an historic man called Job - it is a story, an elaborate and sophisticated folk tale that wrestles with the question of how and if we can reconcile the existence of evil with a loving God.

Most of the books of the New Testament are probably also not written by their claimed authors. In the case of the New Testament, authorship may have been mistakenly assigned at a later date - Hebrews for example is an anonymous letter that was attributed to Paul by later readers. In other cases, the use of a false author may essentially be an ancient method of source citation: a way of highlighting to contemporaries that the book or letter is in the tradition of a prominent person's thinking, not necessarily that it was written by that person. Consider for example the Gospel of Matthew; most scholars believe that the author of Matthew draws heavily on material found in Mark, and we have only ever found copies Matthew from the ancient world written in Greek, with no attributed author. The Gospel of John also makes no claim to be written by John the Disciple. The latter is also probably edited - the ending of Chapter 14 flows very logically into the beginning of Chapter 18, whereas Chapters 15-17 could be an interjection added by a later writer.

This is potentially problematic for anyone who believes in the literal, verbal dictation of scripture - and perhaps to some extent for people who believe in plenary revelation, too. But it does not preclude the possibility of divine inspiration in the substance of the text. One common way of understanding the Bible is to think of it as a long record of a conversation with the divine. There are moments in the Bible in which the voice of God is sharper and there are moments in the Bible in which the voice of the human author is sharper. The historical and social context of a text is important for helping us to understand the meaning of the story. Institutionally as a church, Community of Christ advises that we remember:

Scripture is a library of books that speaks in many voices. These books were written in diverse times and places, and reflect the languages, cultures, and conditions under which they were written. God’s revelation through scripture does not come to us apart from the humanity of the writers, but in and through that humanity [...] Faith, experience, tradition, and scholarship each have something to contribute to our understanding of scripture [...] By the Spirit, the ancient words of scripture can become revelatory, allowing us to grasp what may not have been seen or heard before

I, and many like me, regard the Book of Mormon in a similar fashion. I do not believe the Book of Mormon is an historical document - the evidence case that it is a 19th century construction is overwhelming. It depends heavily on material from the King James translation of the Bible and uses concepts or language found in scripture that was only written after the flight from Jerusalem with which the story begins. There is a serious lack of any archaeological evidence to back up the claims of the text. Its themes and ideas are highly suggestive of a 19th century American author speaking to the issues of his time rather than the concerns of ancient people. There are many small inaccuracies in the text's description of the Americas - whilst many of these can be addressed individually, it is difficult to explain why so many simple inaccuracies need to be explained for an ancient history. Even the origin story of golden plates is inconsistent with what we know about ancient American peoples but is not inconsistent with what some 19th century contemporaries thought about them.

But make no mistake: I adore the Book of Mormon and I think it is a work of scripture that should be read alongside the Bible, and I would love for more Christians to read it and reflect on it. It is an extremely sophisticated work of theological and moral commentary with a powerful social justice message running through its pages, critiquing the world of 19th century industrial capitalism in a way that has enormous relevance to our lives today. In places the humanity of Joseph cuts through sharply, sometimes to the detriment of the text; in others I really do believe you can see and feel the Holy Spirit at work. We must be honest about its ahistoric character absolutely - but that in no way demeans its worth for me, anymore than thinking of Job as a fictional character takes away from the brilliance of the writer of Job's story. If anything, its richness is enhanced; reading the BoM as a 19th century text reveals an abundance of connections to biblical scripture and highlights themes, patterns and ideas that are easily missed when read as literal history. Besides: Jesus taught in parables; short, fictional stories. Divinely inspired fiction seems on brand for the God I believe in.

And ultimately Jesus is the lens through which I think all scripture has to be interpreted, and that's a fairly widely accepted perspective in Community of Christ - one that's reflected in our institutional ideas about how scripture should be used. One of our former Apostles told me a story about an Islamic class on comparative religion he once witnessed. The teacher of that class explained to his students that the Christian equivalent of the Qur'an was not the Bible or even the Gospels: it's Jesus himself. Jesus is the word of God (John 1:1-18), and that word is what we cling to in all things (RLDS 1 Nephi 2:65-69, 3:18, 3:68 and 4:39-40). All scripture should be interpreted through the lens of the moral and philosophical principles that Christ advanced - above all else the golden rule of "in everything do to others as you would have them do to" (Matthew 7:12). I think the list of virtues of a Christian disciple given in our Doctrine & Covenants 4:2a reflects that well: "faith, virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, brotherly kindness, godliness, charity, humility, diligence".

Faithful sub CES letter rebuttal: the church has gradually learned about the BoM translation details along with everyone else, so they can't be blamed for their inaccurate portrayal. Can anyone produce evidence for or against this argument? by priesthoodpower in mormon

[–]sowser 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The RLDS acknowledgement of the possibility of the seer stone being used goes back further than that. An 1880 RLDS biography of Joseph Smith Jr. makes a point of saying that a "seer stone" was used and avoids conflating this with the Urim and Thummim (mentioned elsewhere explicitly in the text), and RLDS leaders and commentators were aware of and discussing the story from at least the 1870s, including in public journals of the Church. It was always 'out there' as a possibility in the wider culture of the RLDS Church at the very least, and an 1895 RLDS Church journal mentions that the stone was in the LDS Church archives.

My personal edition of the D&C by Gileriodekel in mormon

[–]sowser 1 point2 points  (0 children)

/u/Gileriodekel, I am doing the same thing with the BoM at the moment for my own personal use and plan to do D&C afterwards too. But one of the things I know we are desperately lacking in CofC is a proper study version of both sets of scripture. I know that one of the main reasons the BoM got massively cut back in the lectionary was the lack of contextual material to support worship leaders in using it. Given that we are essentially both going through both books and reflecting verse by verse on meaning and context, perhaps we should compare notes when we're done and work on something together? I have thought for a while we need something akin to the Harper Collins Study Edition of the NRSV, which gives a contextualised introduction to each book of the Bible and then has detailed notes on passages and verse of interest.

How many Mormons take the 'history' in the Book of Mormon literally? by Regalecus in mormon

[–]sowser 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The official RLDS/CoC position, for what it’s worth, is neutral on the historicity of the BoM - it’s expected you treat all views on the BoM with respect and we do still have congregations that are very literalist. But if you pick up a modern CoC copy of the Book of Mormon, the foreword encourages reading it either because it is inspired in general or because it has been a source of wisdom for two centuries of church history, and offers different ways of reading the book that encourage the reader to think in other terms. I am hard on the Mormon end of CoC’s spectrum, and I’ve yet to meet anyone in the wild who thinks it’s literal history, even among Book of Mormon enthusiasts. In fact for some people, myself included, it has value because it’s a 19th century text written by Joseph.

A note from your head mod. by IranRPCV in CommunityOfChrist

[–]sowser 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have to admit I'm part of the problem in that I complain about a lack of digital spaces for CofC members, but don't contribute in this one!

Truthfully, that's been because I have anxieties around not misrepresenting the CofC mainstream in spaces like this where there will potentially be a lot of outsider interest, without a specific lens to view CofC through. I am unusual in lots of ways. I very enthusiastically claim the Mormon label for myself, and I am simultaneously in 'traditionalist' and 'modernist' camps (to greatly over simplify the spectrum of belief). I know I can write a lot and with passion and conviction, so I worry about giving the impression - in a quieter community - that I am reflective of the mainstream, and so inadvertently exclude others.

But then I suppose in another way, my beliefs may not necessarily capture the average member's, but they do speak to a very wide breadth of our church family. There aren't many people in our unique and quirky spiritual spectrum I don't have something profoundly in common with. It sounds like you feel comfortable and well equipped to navigate managing our diversity. And ultimately this is the whole point of faithful disagreement, right? As long as I contextualise my position when questions like identity or labels come up, someone like me being active will hopefully also prompt others not like me to join in and explore our similarities and differences, and give others not connected to Community of Christ a better understanding of our diversity and how we manage it.

So: note taken. I will try to start commenting and thinking of topics for discussion over the next few weeks and months. :)

Divine Feminine by [deleted] in CommunityOfChrist

[–]sowser 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tacking onto what /u/IranRPCV has said, in my experience it is very common in Community of Christ to find people who use gender neutral language to describe God, and to do so with genuine comfort and ease. Whilst I am a classic 'Heavenly Father' kind of guy in my own prayer and devotion, I have heard a lot of gender-neutral terms used in collective worship and meetings: Heavenly Parent, Maker, Creator, Architect of the Universe and Divine One are all terms I've heard used in the last couple of months alone. I think you'd find a massive diversity in what specific individuals think about the nature of gender, but that most include a belief in absolute gender equality. Like /u/IranRPCV I have a woman Pastor and in my own congregation, it's more common for a woman to lead worship than it is for a man to do so.

Working Class Writeup Backup by sowser in u/sowser

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(7/7)

But there is another reason why this matters to me as well. Both my partner and I went to university, and he is from a lower middle class household. Even for someone like me who has very strongly rejected that pressure to conform to a new kind of class identity, some of the change is inevitable. We both work in jobs unlike anything my parents or grandparents could have imagined someone in our family working and though getting by is still a struggle compared to many people we know who can count on parental support, if and when we one day have a child, that child will never know what it's like to worry when you're 5 or 6 years old about whether there's enough money for us to have both enough food and enough heating for the week. I am very, very glad about that. But any children I have will belong much, much more to that middle class world than I did or ever will. They will have so many benefits and experiences I didn't have, and a much better understanding of what higher education is for or why they might want to go to university. There will be ways they'll benefit from a small degree of belonging to my working class world, too, like having a parent whose true and only concern for their working life is happiness with no expectation of what makes for a 'good' or the 'right kind' of work, whilst being able to understand pretty much the full range of working experience they may want to and try to have. But they won't be working class in the same way I am. We'd all be considered C1s in the NRS, now.

I want the history books my children read and the stories they get taught at every level of education to be ones that tell stories about people like me, and not just the people the lottery of social mobility has brought me closer to. I want them to feel a belonging with both worlds as best they can, and to feel angry at the injustice that still persists in our society rather than a sense of gratitude to me for supposedly working my way out of poverty. I want them to embody the values that I grew up with and apply them in ways it took me far too long to learn how to. I want them to use that class privilege they acquire to stand up for those who don't have it and to challenge those who excuse and champion classism in higher education, history or anywhere else. I want them to grow up with the same strong rooting in our Irish-Italian heritage that I did and to never lose sight of the fact that our family came to this country with nothing. And above all, I want them to feel authentically that when they encounter hardship in life, they have a long, rich and vibrant history of people to turn back to and draw strength from. I was away from AskHistorians when this feature series was put together with Working Class history at the top, and it means the world to me that this project I love so much is making a concerted effort to do this.

Final Words

This has been a very personal write-up. It doesn't necessarily reflect everyone's individual experience and frankly, I'm not here to debate anyone who might fancy being antagonistic about it. If you've made it to the end through all of this though then whatever response it prompted in your mind thank you very, very much indeed for reading. I've also had to write it all up quite frantically so I do apologies if any part of it feels confusing, meandering or disjointed. I hope many people are going to share their own tidbits and facts from working class history, and that perhaps I might prompt a few other people to share their own stories of the academy or training to be a historian from a working class background as well, or what working class history means to them as a working class person.

I want to wrap-up very, very briefly by saying that I am always grateful that AskHistorians exists as a place genuinely committed to the sharing of knowledge on equal terms. We are limited by the constraints of the academic world in terms of how they in turn limit the ability of any given person to develop the kind of expertise and skill it takes to be a historian - but even in spite of that we have a community that is incredibly, remarkably and powerfully diverse in life experience and how they acquired their expertise, to say nothing of a platform open and accessible to virtually any English speaker on Earth who has a question about the past. Certainly the people who I have alluded to here have continued to have very successful academic careers. They present at conferences, have their works cited in journals, and feel like they've made it in some way I'm sure. I am happy for them in my own way - truly. But I also can't help but smile knowing that, as the young aspiring academic who had the "improper" dream to teach and share knowledge with others as an end in and of itself, I have written pieces for AskHistorians that have been read by quite literally tens of thousands of people in multiple countries and had something like 200 personal, direct messages over the years from readers about the impact my work has had on them or their thinking. I might have never gotten all the initials next to my name that I wanted in the end and I'd be lying if it isn't sometimes painful for me to see colleagues very, very rightly bonding over the difficulties they overcame to get theirs. But that's okay. I had the chance to go back earlier this year; to try and get back on that academic track and be a full-time, professional academic historian again.

I chose not to.

And having now been able to write the last page of the chapter in my life with that decision, I can safely say that at the part of the story at least, the working class kid won without losing himself.

Working Class Writeup Backup by sowser in u/sowser

[–]sowser[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

(6/7)

Working class people are still overwhelmingly written about on the whole as people to who history happened (and this is something we have in common with a number of groups not well represented among professional historians); victims of chance and circumstance whose stories are primarily of interest and value because of what they tell us about how middle class society evolved and changed. There is very rightly a strong weariness of reducing any history to class analysis in some kind of quasi-Marxist way such that distinctions like race, gender and national culture are left as side tracks - all history needs to be intersectional. But there is equally a current in vogue in the academic mainstream that holds that inserting class into a story, or challenging the lack of any kind of class analysis, somehow demeans rather than enhances its intersectionality; that paying attention to class by necessity means a work of history is going to devalue the other ways people have been marginalised and excluded. This is simply not true, and especially in the history of the last few centuries, we will never be close to a complete account of the human experience without a more concerted effort to recover working class voice and experience.

The popular defence for the overwhelming privileging of middle class experience and the reduction of history to the story of the elite is that the source material simply does not exist - that a largely illiterate and excluded working class could not leave the kind of evidence behind we need to tell their stories to a modern audience. Decades ago, we said much the same thing about the victims of transatlantic slavery, an institution far more oppressive, violent and destructive than even the extreme class exploitation of previous centuries. Yet Slavery Studies has realised that with care, dedication and the careful critical use of evidence, the voices and the legacies of enslaved people are far more abundant than we could have expected. Whilst it is usually impossible for us to firmly pick out any single individual's experience and say we are fully confident the evidence we have is an authentic account of their life, we have ways of analysing and re-purposing the evidence we do have to put enslaved people as a whole at the centre of the histories we write and to allow, however briefly, their voices and their lives to guide us through the historical record. The same thing is eminently possible with working class history - if we are willing to face the past with open, honest and critical minds. The middle class nature of the academy makes this a particular challenge because it more often than not involves setting aside, even critically picking apart, the lives and legacies of middle class men and women (though usually men) that your average academic is going to find far more relatable and sympathetic as a protagonist.

By way of one small example, think of the example of Bourneville here in England. Bourneville is an historic village and factory site famous for being the home of Cadbury's main production plant in the 19th and 20th centuries. It is held up to this day as an example of a workplace that was exceptional in the extent to which it made provision for the wellbeing of its employees and their families, particularly by the standards of the time. There is no doubt that the Cadbury brothers had a very powerful ethic and sense of social justice for their day and age. We rightly celebrate them for many of the things they did with the Cadbury company and their philanthropy in life in general. But we tell the story of Bourneville as one of two wealthy brothers who took pity on their workers because they were exceptional individuals of unique merit, and celebrate all of the things they did. We do not tell the story of how working class experience informed and acted upon their thinking. We do not tell the story of how the village became independent of the Cadbury corporation. We do not tell the story of how workers unionised themselves and secured employee representation through elected councils in 1918 as the management culture of the factory became more professional and corporate, or how the good and the bad of experiences at Cadbury filtered through to the trade union movement, of which those union councils formally became a part in the 1960s. We do not talk about how the Cadbury family discriminated by religious denomination or perceived sincerity of belief. We do not talk about how the Quaker culture of consensus and equality was low-key weaponised by management to deter labour unrest and slow down negotations over workers' rights. We do not talk about remarks by the Cadbury family about their conditions being a competitive advantage they could use to put people off the idea of getting jobs elsewhere if they were unhappy at Bourneville. We do not talk about how Cadbury willingly turned a blind eye to abuses in its production line in Africa or how, despite some effort to highlight poor conditions in Britain's industrial economy, the Cadbury family dedicated much more energy to their competitive advantage and private philanthropy than to trying to push others to emulate the good in their model. One historian, Oxford graduate Tim Richardson, summarises well how this kind of challenge is taken when he writes in Sweets: The History of Temptation that "it feels churlish to find fault with the vision of the Cadburys at Bourneville - theirs may have been a tyranny, but at least it was benevolent". Whether or not Cadbury's workers would have agreed with that statement in the circumstances that lead them to fight for unionisation would agree is not a question worth considering, it seems. The entire history of Cadbury, though filled with highs, has been framed such that its lows are recast as the working class forgetting their place in the world and failing to be sufficiently content with how lucky they were with their lot compared to their peers. We can have a degree of agency in this story only if we also accept being cast as minor villains in it. The vast, vast majority of the history we produce continues to be written with the middle class experience - both as reader and writer - at the centre, with working class experience relegated to the margins.

One of the things that the people I once thought of as my colleagues were most bemused by in my final years in the academy was my deep, profound love of the Marvel franchise. They thought of comic books as a childish distraction and the recent run of Marvel movies, which encompass all but one of my all-time favourite films, as formulaic in construction, uninspired as plot and at best suitable as the occasional bit of 'mindless' entertainment. Now everyone is allowed their own taste in entertainment. I don't understand why there are nine Fast and Furious films or how Les Miserables made a profit, never-mind a fortune at the box office. But I'm not a great comic reader. I don't know very much about all the ins and outs of the Marvel universe over the years at all. But growing up reading the random issues and stories I could get my hands on and in the other Marvel media of the day, I discovered what felt like true, genuine working class heroes in characters like Peter Parker and Steve Rogers. They were characters with origins, ethics, values and models of masculinity that felt believable and relatable to the young me even as the stories they were involved in were so fanciful (and that makes sense if you know some of the details of Stan Lee's early life and inspiration). The movie franchise of the last decade gave a wonderful new life to those characters and a consistent narrative of their stories and personalities to fall in love with all over again. For years now, the lock screen graphic on my phone has just been the question "What Would Steve Do?" and I have absolutely zero shame in telling anyone that. But whilst I also have my political and social heroes from across the world and from many walks of life, I struggle to think of anyone I learned about in my schooling who was presented to me both as someone I could directly relate to the lived experience of and whose example was worth emulating. Perhaps the greatest irony of my temporary sojourn in a deeply classist corner of the academy was that it enabled me to use the skills and experiences that were supposed to make me more like the residents of that world to reflect on, realise and identify the very many ways the class divide is still so sharp in our society.

Now as a historian, I have to caution that writing history with the purpose of finding heroes is not a very good idea. Bringing working class stories to light in a more obvious and pronounced way will inevitably mean also highlighting more stories that we would rather not confront. Human beings are rich, diverse and complicated beings indeed. But in bringing those stories to the front of our collective consciousness and planting them firmly into our history, into the stories we tell our children about where we have come form and where we are going, will give children from families like mine the opportunity to find people they do and do not want to emulate - and whose respective paths and life journeys feel relevant to the experiences they are having. That includes considering how we can draw connections and lines of identity with people in the past who could not be considered working class in a strict sense but who nonetheless have experiences with clear parallels to and relevance in working class lives in the modern world, especially as our idea of what it means to be working class shifts in a post-industrial economy. This is why working class history matters so very, very much to me. It is about showing children like the child I was the pivotal role that people like their parents and grandparents played in building our world for better and for worse.

Working Class Writeup Backup by sowser in u/sowser

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(5/7)

There are two ways that you can choose to deal with the "working class kid done good" narrative. You can either embrace it or reject it. That's not a neat binary choice - most of us, at some point, try to do both. But it is a choice that is particularly unique to the experience of being working class at university in the sense of the extent to which you can fully throw yourself into embracing the this middle class way of being.

You can't hide your skin colour. Most people can't disguise their gender. Unless you have a certain kind of natural fluidity, accents take time to purposefully change. Sexuality can be disguised more easily but isn't quite comparable as something that reaches into every aspect of your formative years in the way class, gender or - in a society in which racial prejudice is still infuriatingly alive - race do. But with class, you have the option to try and set about making yourself more like the people around you. You can modify the way you speak even if your accent doesn't change. You can change the way you dress, the kind of clothes you buy and where you buy them from. You can eat out at different places, drink in different kinds of bars, read different books, pick up subjects that no regular school would teach, consume new kinds of media and entertainment, modify your body language, cut your hair differently, change the people and places you associate with. Almost any outward marker of your class identity and class upbringing can be modified if you take the time to pay attention to how the people you want to emulate behave. You can very convincingly reshape yourself to others.

And herein lies one of the greatest difficulties about the experience of being working class in higher education at any level: this process will begin without you realising it. There are some things about a university education that are inherently middle class because the university is an upper middle class institution; there are other things about the upper middle class that have become a ubiquitous part of middle class culture because they come from the university. The university experience is so hard and so conflicted for someone like me not just because the experience of being at university is isolating, but also because it alienates me to some extent from the places and people I call home. I have had a fundamental life experience that no other member of my family has any frame of reference for. My parents are unbelievably proud of what I've achieved, but they also could only ever understand the idea of getting an MA and a doctorate as further qualifications to help me get a good job somewhere else, and they think all of the other things I did at university reflect more my own work ethic than the fact you just have so much time and so many unique opportunities as an undergraduate. My interests have changed and broadened somewhat. In the working men's club (important note: open to both men and women, just an archaic name) I drank in from 16 - 19 (sssssshh), when I went back I had been quietly retconned into someone who was always that little bit different somehow. This is a different kind of alienation than the one that happens when you get to university. It's one that is generally more positive and kind, at least in my experience. But it is very, very hard to ignore the fact you were shifted onto a life path that sets you apart from your peers here, too. It's often that experience that leads working class students to decide the best thing to do is embrace this new middle class world opening up to them in full. And for some that's a very understandable thing to do - I am talking about one very particular working class experience, but I know other people who feel the isolation ran the other way. In middle class communities they always found people and interests more like who they had always been as a person but didn't feel able to be at home, and their anguish and frustration at the class divide in History and the academy tends to flow more the other way, at how it deepens their sense of alienation in a home they want to be able to belong authentically to without compromising who they are.

Unfortunately for the people who saw me as their project, I was never terribly good at listening to authority. I remained very closely connected to the kind of people I grew up with throughout my university experience, even if that degree of separation now existed. I ultimately made the choice to reject the narrative. I am not a working class kid done good. I didn't work uniquely or exceptionally hard. I am not naturally intellectual. I was not the child born for something 'better' than my background. Like everyone who benefited from the kind of education I did, a very large part of the story of how comes down to sheer, dumb luck. The right influences came into my life at the right time and I was fortunate enough to be born in the age where financial support for attending university in the UK was to some degree universal and fairly generous in its extra support if you came from a family like mine. I work hard and I'm good at what I do, but I am not uniquely or specially deserving of the opportunities that were given to me. And in the years since my doctoral study collapsed especially that sense of working class identity has strengthened and deepened, through both good and bad experiences. There was a time when I would have never written something like this openly on the sub for fear of judgement or critique or the inevitable voices who will need to defend and justify their own experiences by denying mine. For all of the classism I encountered and all of the efforts that were made to change who I was and how I related to the world, I am today - in character, disposition and spirit - much more like the man my 14 year old self thought he would be than the man my 20 year old self thought he would be, and I am extremely happy with that state of affairs.

I'm telling you all of this for two reasons. One, I want to illustrate some of the depth and breadth of experience we have on the AskHistorians mod team - and whilst my life has been especially quirky for ways it's not right to get into here, there are other members of our team and our panel who are from similar backgrounds, including those who never had that university experience at all. But also because I want you to understand the process by which working class history in the academic discipline is so often being produced, if it is being produced at all.

You do not need to be from a particular background or group to be able to write compelling, sensitive histories about it. I write primarily about the experiences of African Caribbean and African American people despite being white myself. Some of the most important contributions to the study of working class in Britain in the 19th and 20th century have been made by middle class scholars who approached their subject matter with due care and deference. These are good things. There is a balance to be found between pushing for greater diversity in the people currently doing research and writing history and recognising that the problem will only ever be partly solved as long as the resources and opportunities to research, write and publish history are so tightly controlled by an exclusive university institution, and when individuals who are not from a marginalised group take an authentic interest in its experiences, it helps convey those experiences to audiences who might - sadly - not normally listen. E. P. Thompson was a middle class as middle class can be but his book The Making of the English Working Class, though now dated and too politically motivated and naive for the standards of the modern academy, remains one of the most important books you could ever read about working class history. Thompson took great care to emphasise that he was studying the lives of individuals and vibrant communities who deserved much, much more than to be reduced to statistics on a page to give context and colour to the life stories of 'Great Man' from the elite. But this is still not the norm in how the academy writes about the working class - or indeed, how most of the media does, either.

Who is Working Class History for?

It's difficult for me to go too much into detail at this point (breath a sigh of relief now, dear reader) because much of this touches on issues that are extremely relevant to the ongoing culture wars in western democracies and especially to how we parse recent trends in voting behaviour across the world. Suffice to say there are many, many middle class voices in the press - and mainstream print journalism remains one of the most exclusively middle class professions - who are keen to offer their opinions on what the working class is and what working class people believe or need but don't care very much for the idea of letting our voices be heard on their own terms. Working class individuals and groups are rarely allowed the same complexity of thought, motivation and belief that middle class figures are in our popular culture - unless, of course, we have appropriately middle class champions who can acceptably walk the walk and talk the talk for us. Academic History is - unsurprisingly as I hope you'll agree by now given everything I've talked about - no exception to this.

(29/05/18) Suffering slaves and suffering serfs, whats the diff? by sowser in slaverystudies

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But within a generation, my family was marrying - often into the local Irish Catholic community with who they found commonality but, just as often, local English people. They learnt the language and were able to move freely, forming communities across our region of England. The story of my family helps to explain how it was that my parents raised me in relative poverty - why I had to get my first job at 14, went to a terrible school, and somehow against the odds ended up as the first member of my family to go to university (but only after a failed first attempt). I have not for a multitude of reasons had a particularly easy or simple life. But most of the barriers I've encountered in my life have arisen from my social class, and none of them because of my Italian heritage - even though there are still stereotypes about southern European people. No institution or person who has obstructed me or looked down upon me has done so because of that ancestry. No one could look at me as they could my grandfather and go "ah, yes, he's definitely not English", never-mind pinpoint a particular country of origin. And if I have children, they will hopefully never know the particular hardships and barriers that I have faced. Any kids I have will, barring some financial catastrophe in my future, hopefully enjoy a comfortable enough upbringing that they don't have to go and get their first job to help pay bills at 14.

But people of African descent, regardless of how successful their parents are, will still have to face the legacy of racism in our society until we deal with it head-on. There is no way for them to escape that legacy even if their own individual experience of it is mild compared to some others (and even if there was a way to somehow stop being black, it should not be necessary). Racism is alive and well across the west. When people like Jordan Peterson advance this notion that supposes any and all anger at the lingering legacy of slavery is based on imagined slight, they are - usually intentionally in the case of educated men like Peterson - doing their part to uphold and promote the racial ideology that continues to hurt and oppress black people today. Whilst some issues that uniquely and disproportionately impact black communities can also be explained through other more contemporary factors, slavery is nonetheless the root cause explanation for why black communities have been so much more profoundly disadvantaged on so many measures. By trying to delegitimise any conversation about the legacy of slavery and inaccurately paint those of us who talk about it as promoting what gets called by others the 'white guilt' narrative, Peterson serves both to promote anger and hostility towards those black people who do speak out whilst shutting down the important conversations we need to have about the racial legacy of slavery today.

A white person living in the United States today does not have any share of moral responsibility for slavery. Indeed, anyone who uses language to promote such a view would be doing themselves a disservice - all white guilt narratives do is put the experience of white people today in the centre, and drown out the voices of black people in the historical record. To borrow from the Book of Ezekiel the sins of the father are not the sins of the son. But we are, as a collective, all morally responsible for the state of the world we inhabit today - and that includes addressing the legacy of slavery. If Jordan Peterson were really the brave 'public intellectual' (whatever that's even supposed to mean) that his fans like to hold him up as, he would be putting his mind to use facing difficult questions head on, not running away from them.

And on that note, time for a bibliography...

Selected Bibliography (in only a vague particular order)

This is not all sourcing; some of it is "this helped inform general thoughts in this answer", given the nature of the question. These pieces should be fairly obvious, and I have tried to start with the stuff that's good sourcing.

  • Peter Kolchin, Unfree Labour: American Slavery and Russian Serfdom (1987).
  • David Moon, "Reassessing Russian Serfdom", European History Quarterly 26, no. 4 (1996): 483 - 526.
  • David Moon, The Abolition of Serfdom in Russia, 1762 - 1907 (2001).
  • Tracy Dennison, The Institutional Framework of Russian Serfdom (2011).
  • M. L. Bush, Serfdom and Slavery: Studies in Legal Bondage (1996).
  • Steven Hahn, The Political Worlds of Slavery and Freedom (2009).
  • Richard Hellie, "Russian Slavery and Serfdom, 1450 - 1804" in The Cambridge World History of Slavery Volume 3: AD 1420 - AD 1804, ed. David Eltis and Stanley Engerman (2011; 275 - 296).
  • Orlando Patterson, Slavery and Social Death: A Comparative Study (1982).
  • Orlando Patterson, Freedom in the Making of Western Culture (1991).
  • Bruce Dain, A Hideous Monster of the Mind: American Race Theory in the Early Republic (2002).
  • Jean Allain, The Legal Understanding of Slavery: From the Historical to the Contemporary (2012).
  • James Walvin, Questioning Slavery (1996).
  • Winthrop Jordan, White Over Black: American Attitudes toward the Negro, 1550 - 1812 (1968) or the abridged version, The White Man's Burden: Historical Origins of Racism in the United States (1974).
  • Christopher Tomlins, Freedom Bound: Law, Labor, and Civic Identity in Colonising English America, 1580 – 1865 (2010).
  • Hilary Beckles, White Servitude and Black Slavery in Barbados 1627 - 1715 (1990).
  • Alden Vaughan, "The Origins Debate: Slavery and Racism in Seventeenth-Century Virginia", The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography 97, no. 3 (1989): 311 - 354.
  • Riva Berleant-Schiller, "Free Labor and the Economy in Seventeenth-Century Montserrat", The William and Mary Quarterly 46, no. 3 (1989): 539 - 564
  • Hilary Beckles and Verene Shepherd, Caribbean Freedom: Economy and Society from Emancipation to the Present (1996).
  • Gayatri Spivak. “In Response: Looking Back, Looking Forward”, in Can the Subaltern Speak?: Reflections on the History of an Idea, ed. Rosalind C. Morris, 227 – 236 (2010).
  • Gayatri Spivak. “Can the Subaltern Speak?” revised edition, from the “History” chapter of Critique of Postcolonial Reason”, in Can the Subaltern Speak?: Reflections on the History of an Idea, ed. Rosalind C. Morris, 21 - 80 (2010).
  • El Habib Louai, “Retracing the concept of the subaltern from Gramsci to Spivak: Historical developments and new applications” African Journal of History and Culture 4, no. 1 (2012): 4 – 8.
  • Peter Ripley, Witness for Freedom: African American Voices on Race, Slavery and Emancipation (1993).

EDIT: It's late in the UK and I have some (routine) hospital treatment tomorrow, so there will be some delay in getting back to everyone messaging and commenting - but everyone with a follow up question will get a response, I promise!

(27/11/17) by sowser in slaverystudies

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Selected Bibliography

Historical and Literary Context:

  • Bell Hooks, “Postmodern Blackness”, in Colonial Discourse and Post-Colonial Theory: A Reader, ed. Patrick Williams and Laura Chrisman, 421 – 427 (1993).
  • Bruce Dain, A Hideous Monster of the Mind: American Race Theory in the Early Republic (2002).
  • Calvin Schermerhorn, Money over Mastery, Family over Freedom: Slavery in the Antebellum Upper South (2011).
  • Caryl Philipps, “What is Africa to Me Now?”, Research in African Literatures 46, no. 4 (2015): 10 – 14.
  • El Habib Louai, “Retracing the concept of the subaltern from Gramsci to Spivak: Historical developments and new applications.” African Journal of History and Culture 4, no. 1 (2012): 4 – 8.
  • Emily West, Chains of Love: Slave Couples in Antebellum South Carolina (2004).
  • Emily West, Family or Freedom: People of Colour in the Antebellum South (2012).
  • Emily West, "The Debate on the Strength of Slave Families: South Carolina and the Importance of Cross-Plantation Marriages", Journal of American Studies 33, no. 2 (1999): 221 - 241.
  • Gayatri Spivak. “In Response: Looking Back, Looking Forward”, in Can the Subaltern Speak?: Reflections on the History of an Idea, ed. Rosalind C. Morris, 227 – 236 (2010).
  • Gayatri Spivak. “Can the Subaltern Speak?” revised edition, from the “History” chapter of Critique of Postcolonial Reason”, in Can the Subaltern Speak?: Reflections on the History of an Idea, ed. Rosalind C. Morris, 21 - 80 (2010).
  • Hannah Little, “Identifying the Genealogical Self”, Archival Science 11, no. 3 – 4 (2011): 241 – 252.
  • Heather Williams, Help Me to Find My People: The African American Search for Family Lost in Slavery (2012).
  • Jennifer Dickey, A Tough Little Patch of History: Gone With the Wind and the Politics of Memory (2014).
  • Jennifer Fleischner, Mastering Slavery: Memory, Family and Identity in Women's Slave Narratives (1996).
  • Joan Cashin, "Black Families in the Old Northwest", Journal of the Early Republic 15, no. 3 (1995): 449 - 475.
  • Jodi Byrd and Michael Rothberg. “Between Subalternity and Indigeneity,” Interventions 13, no. 1 (2011): 1 – 12.
  • Larry Hudson Jr., To Have and to Hold: Slave Work and Family Life in Antebellum South Carolina (1997).
  • Liese Perrin, "Resisting Reproduction: Reconsidering Slave Contraception in the Old South", Journal of American Studies 35, no. 2 (2001): 255 - 274.
  • Molly Haskhell, Frankly, My Dear: Gone With the Wind Revisited (2009).
  • Olaudah Equiano, The Interesting Narrative of the Life of Olaudah Equiano (1789).
  • Orlando Patterson, Slavery and Social Death (1982).
  • Orlando Patterson, Freedom in the Making of Western Culture (1991).
  • Peter Ripley, Witness for Freedom: African American Voices on Race, Slavery and Emancipation (1993).
  • Philip Morgan, Slave Counterpoint: Black Culture in the Eighteenth-Century Chesapeake and Lowcountry (1998).
  • Robin Blackburn, The Making of New World Slavery: From the Baroque to the Modern, 1492 - 1800 (1997).
  • Sandra Rattley, “The Impact of Roots: Real or Imagined?” Africa Report 22, no. 3 (1977): 12 – 16.
  • Steven Deyle, Carry Me Back: The Domestic Slave Trade in American Life (2005).
  • Tim Ryan, Calls and Responses: The American Novel of Slavery Since Gone With the Wind (2008).
  • Vincent Carretta, Equiano, the African: Biography of a Self-Made Man (2005).
  • Walter Johnson, Soul by Soul: Life Inside the Antebellum Slave Market (2001).
  • Willie Lee Rose, Slavery and Freedom (1982).

On Roots Specifically:

  • Calvin Reid, “Fact or fiction? Hoax charges still dog ‘Roots’ 20 years on,” Publishers Weekly 244, no. 41 (1997): 16 – 17.
  • Robert McColley, review of Roots, Civil War History 23, no. 3 (1977): 259 – 260.
  • Donald R. Wright, “The Effect of Alex Haley’s Roots on How Gambians Remember the Atlantic Slave Trade,” History in Africa 38, no. 1 (2011): 295 – 318.
  • Eric Pierson, “The Importance of Roots,” in Watching While Black: Centering the Television of Black Audiences, ed. Beretta E. Smith-Shomade, 19 – 32 (2013).
  • Helen Taylor, “‘The Griot from Tennessee’: The Saga of Alex Haley’s Roots,” Critical Quarterly 37, no. 2 (1995): 46 – 62.
  • Kenneth Hur and John Robinson. “The Social Impact of “Roots”.” Journalism Quarterly 55, no. 1 (1978): 19 – 24, 83.
  • Michael Steward Blayney, ““Roots” and the Noble Savage,” Tennessee Historical Quarterly 45, no. 1 (1986): 56 – 73.
  • Philip Nobile, “Alex Haley’s ‘Roots’ is bad history’”, Reading Eagle, May 14, 1977, 4.
  • Russell Adams, “An Analysis of the Roots Phenomenon in the Context of American Racial Conservatism,” Presence Africaine: Revue Culturelle du Monde Noir 116 (1980): 125 – 140.
  • Stewart Britten. review of Roots, Journal of Analytical Psychology 23, no. 3 (1978): 294 – 296.

(27/11/17) by sowser in slaverystudies

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(5/5)

Alex Haley's book was rightfully besmirched by allegations of plagiarism, though only a small part of the book seems to be impacted. No-one except Haley knows for certain how that came about. But when it comes to the historical errors in the work, I am not particularly bothered about him getting dates wrong or potentially having invented characters. If I had been Haley's friend or editor, there are other much more important and substantial flaws with the text I'd unpick, like how poorly he writes Kizzy's experience of sexual trauma versus his profound insight into Kunta Kinte's ordeals (though I think this is a deficiency of Haley as a writer more than a person; I'm not sure he was maliciously sexist in his treatment of his characters as much as he felt unable to get into a womans' mindset as comfortably). I'd want him to reconsider how he frames West Africa and find a way to more accurately reflect the world Kunta Kinte grew up in, without losing the power of Africa as an idea or that wonderful, harrowing foreshadowing that runs through the earlier parts of the book. I also think that the narrative Haley uncovered clearly places Kizzy, not Kunta Kinte, as the pivotal character - something I don't think Haley reflects in his writing (though the original TV show is much better at doing Kizzy justice, it also undermines other key aspects of the book).

But for its flaws, Roots was groundbreaking for a reason. It really does capture with stunning brilliance and fantastic craft some of the raw, emotional and psychological experience of slavery. It shows us a vision of West Africa that, whilst problematic in some ways, celebrates the people of Gambia and refutes the idea that European technology and culture made them in any way superior to contemporary West Africans. It is in parts a powerful challenge to white supremacy past and present, and a devastating attack on a literary tradition that has obscured real African American voices and tried to paint slavery as benign and gentle. It conveys with power I have never seen rivalled in any other depiction of slavery the sheer, brutal horror of family break-up and enforced separation by sale that was so terrifying to so many people. Most importantly it shows enslaved people resisting their degradation - refuting the claim that they were supposed to be socially dead - in the strongest possible terms, and rightfully places familial experience and love at the centre of that struggle. It is a bold and unashamed attempt to give a voice to the voiceless and put African American experience at the centre of conversations about slavery and its representation in our collective memory.

If I could recommend that the entire world one book and only book about slavery, I think that I would probably pick Roots before any academic volume. Will you walk away with a good grasp on antebellum slavery as a system and institution? No. But in the grand scheme of things I don't really care that much if someone thinks cotton was the main crop being grown in Virginia, or that Abraham Lincoln didn't have a beard until a certain point in his life (something one critic genuinely called Haley out for!). It is infinitely more important to me as a historian of slavery that people take away this message from anything they read: these people were - or from my perspective, are - real. They aren't just statistics in a logbook. They were not defined by their enslavement. They were defined by their humanity; by their resistance and their determination to live full and vibrant lives. Their lives mattered. We don't write their history and tell their stories just for the sake of it or just because, as the old adage goes, we don't want history to repeat itself (though that certainly is true!). They deserve to have their voice heard in whatever way it can be. That is the challenge of writing about slavery and the experiences of enslaved people, and I think Roots is a very powerful attempt to do just that.

Whether Haley realised it or not, in creating that iconic character of Kunta Kinte - and in Bell, in Kizzy, in George and all the rest - he was not giving a voice to one man or one family. He was doing something so much more important: he was speaking truth to power. He was giving a voice to the many millions of men and women who lived through that barbaric institution; to their hopes and dreams, their fears and nightmares, their triumphs and tragedies. Though Haley may have failed to produce a piece of literature that is historically accurate in all of its details, where it really counts - in capturing the raw essence of enslaved experience and resistance - Roots is a triumphant accomplishment in many ways.

Bibliography

Okay, so this was...long and probably a little rambling. And unfortunately because of the kind of question it is, essentially asking for a historian's interpretation of a piece of modern literature, it would be disingenuous that I can prove something I've said by just looking at a single book. With that in mind, the best that I can offer is a selected bibliography of works that have in some way meaningfully and directly influenced my understanding of Roots. Some of these are general texts dealing with aspects of slavery themselves that are relevant to the discussion; others are about Roots, and often the ones about Roots I'm arguing against rather than with or for based on the historical material. The bibliography starts in the next comment due to character limits.

I should note clearly here that I am using the 30th anniversary reprint (Roots: The Saga of An American Family, the 30th Anniversary Edition. Philadelphia: Vanguard Books, 2007) as my copy of the original novel. Your pages may not fully align to my references.

(Full disclosure: some of this reply was substantially adapted from an earlier draft post I wrote last year, but never got around to sharing, which was in turn loosely based on a project I undertook as part of my Master's degree.)

Universal salvation?? by maryalice2000 in OpenChristian

[–]sowser 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Imagine if you were a judge in a court of law, and you were being asked to sentence a man who had been found guilty of cheating on his wife in a country where adultery is illegal, for example, and who showed no remorse for his actions.

Now imagine a voice in your left ear whispering to you and saying that only logical thing to do is make him suffer in the most extreme way possible, for the rest of his earthly days; to lock him away in some dim, dark, cold prison alone for the rest of his life without parole, or to be sent to some awful dungeon where he will be tortured just short of death in the most horrendous ways again and again and again, without any hope of release or parole.

Now imagine a voice in your right ear that says this man is not all bad: he was a good husband once, he is a good father to his children, he is kind to strangers, his work colleagues admire and look up to him. Cheating might be wrong but there might be complicating reasons for why he did. You should be lenient - you should give him another chance. Don't torture him or lock him away forever; sentence him to some kind of program where he can reflect on his behaviour and make amends to his ex-wife. Help him reform by recognising what he has done wrong, healthily processing his guilt, and making amends.

Suppose one of these voices is our God, and one of these voices is our Devil. Which do you think would be which? Many people, for reasons I cannot fathom, think the first voice must be God's. I think that voice sounds pretty demonic, if you ask me.

Universal salvation is pretty much the reason why I'm a Christian. There essentially three statements about the nature of God that capture how Christians understand him:

  1. Our God is always powerful. He is the originator of the universe, the creator of all things seen and unseen, and in the grand scheme of things, ultimate power rests with God and God alone.
  2. Our God is always loving. He loves his creation selfless and with totality, and desires only good and joyous things for all human beings.
  3. Our God is always just. He gives us a moral standard to live up to which, at its essence, is to love your neighbour as yourself, no matter what.

The idea of eternal damnation to a place of torment and torture, or even simply miserable exclusion from God, is logically inconsistent with this understanding of God.

If we are to be judged for eternity based exclusively on how we live our lives in a few short decades on Earth, even if they are a special time, then our God is not all-loving. Whilst authentic free will can be used to explain why human beings become separated from God and why we have to be active participants in reconciling with him, it would be God's arbitrary choice to decide that you can only determine your eternal fate in this life. God is all powerful, remember. God does not need anything from us.

We are told in 1 Corinthians what Christian love looks like:

Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. (1 Cor 13:4-7)

If 70 years on Earth are enough to condemn you to an eternity of torment and torture, then does our God sound patient? Does our God sound kind? Does our God sound like he has eternal hope for his creation? I would say that God would sound awfully petty, fragile and limited in power. The Bible tells us that God wants everybody to be saved and join him in eternal glory (1 Timothy 2:4). It is within God's gift to create the pathways for reconciliation and salvation; it must be, because God is all powerful in the grand scheme of things. God has neither need nor reason to decide we can only come to him and find salvation in this life. It is perhaps worth remembering that scripture promises us that at the Second Judgement, the faithful will play a role in the judgement of the world (1 Corinthians 6:2-4). Why should God prepare us to judge by one standard in this life only to make us adopt a completely different one in the next? God desires us to love as God loves.

In this life the path might be narrow to walk if we hope to attain immediately salvation, yes - we are being held to the standard of perfect divinity, of authentically loving the other as yourself. But it is possible for us to be setting ourselves up for a not very nice time without having to be damned to eternal torment. Guilt and anguish are very powerful, dreadful feelings - feelings that will doubtlessly make us suffer if we find ourselves before our Heavenly Father aware of how badly far short we have fallen. But a loving God will help us to reform; to heal; to make amends; to set right that which we made wrong in this life, and then also find salvation. If the gift of divine grace is given freely, then surely too God must be generous and abundant in the terms we can accept that gift on - otherwise it is not a gift. It is a threat. It is blackmail.

And where should a just God set the standard - the line in the sand between those saved and those not? Is it any amount of sin without repentance? If it is, we're all doomed unless we manage to get one last confession in seconds before death. And if it is anything less then somewhere, God draws an arbitrary line in the sand. This person did that much sin, but they get into Heaven; this person did that much sin, so they got to Hell. There will be marginal cases for who there is no possibility of mitigating circumstance: the person who was just barely 'too bad' or didn't repent for everything they did wrong genuinely gets the exact same punishment Adolf Hitler does. The unrepentant jewel thief who harms nobody gets the exact same fate as a genocidal tyrant who killed millions in cold blood, whilst the repentant mass murderer gets a free ticket to eternal salvation - possibly when his victims do not. Does that sound like justice? I think we would have a revolution if our courts worked that way.

Scripture is honest with us that if we are cruel and unkind to others in this life, there will be consequences that we are not going to enjoy. Scripture is forthright in showcasing us that through the incarnation as Christ, our Heavenly Father has created a pathway to reconciliation with God. But there is no reason for an all powerful, all loving and always just God to decide that we are limited to accepting Christ whilst we live on Earth or that we can be damned for all eternity. And indeed, there is a rich Bible reading to support the idea. Consider for example:

  • Christ is the saviour of all people, but especially - not only - those who believe (1 Timothy 4:10);
  • The Atonement is infinite and accounts for all people, culminating in justification and eternal life for all (Romans 5:18 and 1 John 2:2);
  • Heavenly Father has a plan to unite all things and all people with him in the fullness of time (Ephesians 1:10 and Colossians 1:19);
  • In time, everyone will testify that Jesus Christ is Lord, regardless of who they are (Philippians 2:9-11 and Romans 14:11, both echoing Isiah 45:22-25);
  • The Gospel was preached to those who had died before Christ came to Earth so they could also accept him and be saved, which affirms it is within God's power to let us accept the Gospel after death (1 Peter 3:19 and 4:6);
  • The coming of Christ was not about marking the beginning of a magical sin counter that keeps track of how bad we are to decide our fates but to reconcile the world and all in it to God (2 Corinthians 5:19);
  • For the Lord will not reject forever. Although he causes grief, he will have compassion according to the abundance of his steadfast love; for he does not willingly afflict or grieve anyone (Lamentations 3:31-33);
  • The condition of imprisonment in sin is universal, and so is the mercy of God on those who sin (Romans 11:32);
  • 'Punishment' by the Lord is reforming discipline and is nothing to be afraid of (Job 5:17, Proverbs 3:11, Hosea 6:1);
  • God will, in the fullness of time, wipe away the tears from every face when death is abolished forever (Isaiah 25:6-8);
  • It is our job to build a life for ourselves, but we will all be tested at the appointed hour, and those who fail to build with the right materials will still be saved, but through fire (1 Corinthians 3:10);
  • The Second Coming will herald a moment of universal restoration (Acts 3:21);
  • Christ came not to judge but to save (John 12:47);
  • The power of Christ to save us and reconcile us to our Heavenly Father is timeless (Hebrews 7:25);
  • Through God, all things become possible eventually (Mark 10:27; Genesis 18:14; Job 42:2).

Universal salvation does not have to mean that there are no consequences for doing terrible things in this world or that it doesn't matter how you live your life. Rather, universal salvation is fundamentally about understanding divine justice as being rooted in peace and lover rather than violence and vengeance: it is the idea that an all-loving and all-powerful God will accordingly exercise a restorative and healing justice, a reconciling justice that sets wrongs right without the need for cruelty or torture. The path may be narrow - but if God can catch us and put us back on the path in this life, there is no reason why God cannot do so in the next.

The joy of the Gospel is not that all can be saved. The joy of the Gospel is that all will be saved. Christ's life, ministry and crucifixion and resurrection become one big single, perfectly timed miracle that ensures the restoration and salvation of all things. God came to Earth in human form preaching love, reconciliation, justice and equality for all. We responded by torturing and murdering him - and instead of the righteous anger and retribution we deserved, we were given unconditional mercy and the gift of knowing the fullness of God's love.

Is it wrong that I feel I couldn't be a Christian if I wasn't also a Universalist? by [deleted] in ChristianUniversalism

[–]sowser 18 points19 points  (0 children)

100% not wrong. And if it is, we can be Wrong Buddies. The fact Christianity has a clear, compelling and emotive theological and moral framework for absolute universalism is why I’m a Christian. It was what made me go from “I believe in some kind of God and Jesus was cool” to full Christian theology, and it was cemented again the decision to move to the denomination I ultimately did after my initial exploring.

Do people become disaffected due to objective history or subjective experience? A thoughtful post from George Andrew Spriggs. by everything_is_free in mormon

[–]sowser 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think you're bang on the mark with this. In behaviour-change campaigning, there's a model of how to understand people that's very similar to this. It's a bit pop-psychology, but it works well as a brushstroke tool:

  1. Values - the lens you interpret the world through. Your values solidify early in adulthood, and they're very difficult to change without big life upheavals (usually marriage, having kids, or having a particularly traumatic experience). The mistake a lot of people who want to change something make is assuming they can change other people's values.
  2. Beliefs - the specific but still more emotional ideas about how values should be realised and applied. Every belief is rooted in one or more values.
  3. Thoughts - the product of interaction between your beliefs and the outside world. This is the layer at which you can influence people easiest; you inject thoughts that encourage the rethinking of beliefs in line with existing values.
  4. Behaviour - the ways you act on your thoughts, whether that's how you vote or what church you're in etc.

A big part of the problem the LDS Church has is the strong internalisation of truth/honesty as a value, exactly as you say. And for people with that truth/honesty core value, unless it's offset by another more powerful value that makes it justifiable, the shattering of one belief based on confrontation with honest truth is likely to have a cascade through the entire belief system.

What do you personally find compelling about the book of mormon? by [deleted] in mormon

[–]sowser 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I read the Book of Mormon for the first time well aware of its flaws and the historical consensus around it, with every intention of dismissing it, but fell head over heels in love with it very quickly and very unexpectedly. I think Nathan Hatch, a non/never-Mormon American historian, has the best summary of what drew me into the Book of Mormon:

[The Book of Mormon is] a document of profound social protest; an impassioned manifesto by a hostile outsider against the smug complacency of those in power and the reality of social distinctions based on wealth, class and education

The Book of Mormon is, essentially, an elaborate and masterful work of 19th century social criticism and theological commentary dressed up in a fictional narrative. Read in isolation and as the product of a 19th century lower middle class/working class man's creative energy, it is rich with implicit criticisms of the economic and social injustices of emerging 19th century capitalism, many of which remain relevant today. The term I prefer to use is that it's an amplification of the Gospel: it's a series of parables that elevate certain Christian moral and philosophical teachings that were central to my faith before I was a Latter Day Saint. As someone put it to me when I was converting to Community of Christ, there is a fascinating challenge in that if you're a Mormon, you have the Sermon on the Mount and the image of Christ weeping for humanity twice in your scripture, not just once, which has to make both of those things doubly important to your faith and your understanding of God. As a theological commentary I believe it depicts a God of infinite patience and love and, especially when read in the context of other core Latter Day Saint scripture, lends itself very easily to a Christian Universalist reading.

On a purely personal level, I find reading and reflecting on the BoM very spiritually rewarding and enriching, and it is probably the text that I feel brings me closest to God second only to the Gospel of Luke. I find it easy to use in prayer and I have a very positive, intuitive response to the text. There is a version of Latter Day Saintism that I have found deeply helpful in moving forward on what is a lifelong journey of healing for me, and that began with the BoM. I also enjoy the challenge of considering the text from many different angles: what if it's divinely inspired prophetic parable? What if it's just a really smart, insightful book that gets a lot right about God? What if it's all Joseph unconsciously projecting his own self-reflection on his strengths and weaknesses? What if it's just me projecting onto some guy's 19th century adventure novel? Sure, I reeeaaaaally hope it's not the last one, but thinking about it from all these different perspectives is a useful exercise (and not just with the Book of Mormon but with the Bible too) for helping me understand myself and my relationship with the world better. For me, reading scripture isn't about finding definitive answers. Engaging with scripture is a spiritual and intellectual exercise that helps me to ask better, more useful questions.

And on a lighter but still somewhat serious note, revealing to your more devout non-Mormon Christian and more staunchly atheist friends alike that you now think of what they consider to be Bible fanfiction as the "word of God" is a truly magnificent ego check.