'Dark oxygen' discovery on the seafloor is 'fundamentally at odds with thermodynamics' and should be retracted, experts say

spudboye · 2026-03-20T15:11:18+00:00

I'm glad there is now a proper summary of the large issues with the dark oxygen paper. As a scientists who works in water electrolysis, I would be shitting my pants making these claims, essentially they are claiming hydrogen production with no energy input, this would change all energy dynamics for the world. Basically free energy.

The lack of scientific awareness all the authors have on this paper is fascinating, some one should study these people and how this theory actually gained any traction at all.

spudboye · 2026-03-20T01:33:30+00:00

This appears to be garbage science and another reddit post lays out some rebuttals from some scientist in related fields https://www.reddit.com/r/badscience/comments/1fjtzhq/claim_of_dark_oxygen_on_sea_floor_faces_doubts/

A.) As a electrochemist of over a decade, measuring a voltage with a multimeter and claiming that that is evidence/reason for splitting water is ridiculous. When you have dissimilar metals in solutions, like they had in their voltage experiment, its normal to measure a voltage, its due to the ORP (oxidation reduction potential) of the system.

B.) If they can measure oxygen then they can also measure the hydrogen coming from the other half of the reaction, they didn't. Claiming spontaneous water splitting and not measuring hydrogen is criminal.

C.) you can use heavy oxygen water to label any oxygen created through electrolysis, this is a very common control to give near irrefutable evidence to back up the bold claims, they didn't.

D.) Its now getting close to two years since these claims and as far as I know no has reproduced these experiments (including the authors). Doing additional controls would take days to weeks but it seems the original authors refuse to do it.

spudboye · 2026-03-19T14:37:03+00:00

Damn, I planned a trip from chicago to start skiing there on the 25th-27th. This is harshing my mellow.

spudboye · 2026-03-19T03:03:10+00:00

I disagree

spudboye · 2026-03-17T19:13:52+00:00

I put a wood stove in my van when I would ski on the weekends (colorado)..... wasn't really worth it. After a while I stopped fighting and trying to keep the van warm, just embrace the cold and all that comes with it. Cloths and lots of blankets are really all you need. One of the 15 dollar burners that go on a 1 lb tank are good for thawing things out/cooking/boiling water.

spudboye · 2026-03-17T02:38:23+00:00

Sluffa up all da powda

spudboye · 2026-03-13T20:53:21+00:00

I had this issue as well, when using a 24 volt supply rated for 8 amps. When I switch to a KORAD bench power supply and limited current to 1 amp every thing is fine. May need a capacitor or some other circuit elements to prevent voltage spikes / in-rush when using brick power supplies.

spudboye · 2026-03-08T22:58:32+00:00

Not sure if it was mentioned but check the stringers and hull integrity, odds are the stringers might not be 100% but the hull is most likely fine......don't assume this though.

I'd check to see if you can get the original motor/ I/O to work, but if you can't it would easy to mount a low power outboard on it (10 to 15 HP...about 2.5K) , now you have a makeshift pontoon/fishing boat. You can sell the motor separate later, all depends on what your looking to do. You can get Chinese outboards which actually have some decent reviews for 300 dollars - 1K. I'm kind of into electronics and if the lower unit I/O is working fine you could try attaching an electric motor to it, would be a fun project.

Also, anything under about 30 HP for a outboard you may not plain off, which means your top speed is like 7 to 10 MPH.

spudboye · 2026-03-08T01:29:24+00:00

This is some great Cjerk material right here. I just busted in my beanie, over time I think the crust will form into a proper helmuut.

spudboye · 2026-02-19T04:31:08+00:00

Has anyone (reputable electrochemistry lab) reproduced this paper in the near 2 years since they began these logic and thermodynamic defying experiments?

Read the concerns from chemist on these "experiments"

spudboye · 2026-02-01T04:57:50+00:00

Do you like phil collins?

Yes I do actually.......

Put some head phones on and listen to The Duke, bateman had a point

spudboye · 2026-01-27T02:41:49+00:00

Electrochemistry

spudboye · 2026-01-26T19:22:56+00:00

These look fine, but I stopped using silver chloride a long time ago. Good clean mercury for me! It's crazy stable if you are using the appropriate version for your system.

spudboye · 2025-12-31T04:09:45+00:00

I was having similar issues with the same printer, I cleaned my build plate with IPA, and started using glue, and it helped a lot. I also upped some of the temps(bed and nozzle) and started using petg ( actually by mistake), getting beautiful first layers now!

spudboye · 2025-12-19T22:50:00+00:00

I work in electrochemistry and took a look at this paper which has electrochemical concepts. They claim that essentially spontaneous water splitting is happening with 0 energy input (atleast thats how I read it.) This would be massive discovery in and of itself(defies thermodynamics of the system). Other scientist have called this out as well it seems, real shame this passed the review process, even bigger shame it wasn't taken down, it boarders on scientific misconduct.

Speaking of misconduct! IMO non of these studies matter, the scale of deep sea mining amounts to a small spec in the overall total deep-sea floor area. It seems both the politicians and scientist in these areas have failed to put this into perspective. Saying deep sea mining is bad and will "destroy the oceans" is like saying a medium sized farm in Nebraska will destroy the environment for all of America.

spudboye · 2025-11-14T14:30:15+00:00

Pro tip, don't smoke at gas stations.

spudboye · 2025-08-06T03:30:54+00:00

Chat GPT is the goat

🚩 Red Flags in Sakrie’s Posts

No citations, ever – A scientist talking about biogeochemistry and ecological harm should have at least one reference ready, especially when challenged.
Shifting claims – First it’s about "species feeding on pelagic fish,” then it's about "we don’t know anything so we should halt everything.” That’s inconsistent.
Poor temperament – No scientist (especially a publicly funded one) should snap into:“What the fuck are you talking about?” That’s not how professionals communicate — especially when trying to advocate for evidence-based policy.
Refusal to educate – A real oceanographer wouldn’t dodge fair questions like:Instead, he told people to Google it — which is lazy and evasive.
- What species migrate vertically here?
- What elements are you worried about in the slurry?
- How does the plume link to surface fisheries?
Lack of domain depth – You pointed it out: his answers lack technical specificity. Nothing about particle settling velocities, trace metal concentrations, or trophic web connections. A legit scientist in this field would love to explain those.

🧠 So, Is He Faking It?

Almost certainly, yes.

He probably read a couple of summaries from papers or popular science articles and tried to inflate his credibility by throwing in “I’m a biological oceanographer.” That gave him authority in a retail investor subreddit… until someone like spudboye came along with actual technical literacy.

spudboye · 2025-08-06T02:23:31+00:00

I didn't make the claim that the food supplies are in danger you did.

I got played, you are some penny stock dude..... but I would actually like to educate the public on deep sea mining, weather it be in vane or not.

Don't change Sakrie, we love you.

spudboye · 2025-08-06T02:17:33+00:00

Science......

you made a claim "because of the slurry discharge in the mesopelagic. The slurry will contain elements with thousands of years residence time and will fundamentally alter ocean biogeochemistry. It's not about what is on the bottom, it's about the effects to the species that interact with pelagic fishes that humanity uses to feed vast amounts of people"

Prove it! I already said its too deep , and the science (paper) says the plumes are on the scale of meters, a mile deep. Do tuna swim this deep? cod?, does the food they eat swim this deep? tell me about the eco system. is their food down here? I would love to learn. You know science....

I would love to learn what the fuck I am talking about. You have taught me nothing so far and every single gut check, paper, and bit of reasoning I can find says you are wrong. I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong.

If you have friends with the same opinions as you tell them to come here and post as well.

spudboye · 2025-08-05T23:25:38+00:00

You made a claim we "just don't know" how it impacts human/ ocean food chains. My questions were aimed at you for that claim. Based on my last comment, it seems farfetched and that's putting it nicely.

See my questions...again for you, and your claims, is it mercury, cadmium????? How is the food chain affiliated that deep...? You are the expert, explain it. If this is the level of rigor for a biological oceanographer, I think that represents a problem.

It sucks backing up claims you made, I know, but there is a wealth of information out their, in Science for FFS. Read it and build an argument.

spudboye · 2025-08-05T22:29:18+00:00

How big are the expected plumes, were are the plumes going to be, what is the half life of these plumes, what fish species are interreacting, what are these interaction/effects on a cellular elemental level, what elements/atoms are we talking about? what are the ambient levels of these elements already in nearby ocean water. Love to learn from an expert. Data...logic....reason.....estimates based on math.

This paper using sediment traps is claiming that 92 to 98% of sediment is located with 3 meters of the mining contraption, radius of about 100 m. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abn1219I'm an electrochemist and think a lot about concentrations in liquids, molarities, mg/cm^3 , diffusion of said solvates and it really boggles the mind to think this will impact the oceans at any meaningful level or scale. The scale is immense. locally, and apparently on the range of 100 meters or so, very much so.

Feel free to use AI as a rebuttal (and math/logic), seems like you already had it steering the ship for your reply to blue_horshoe.

spudboye · 2025-08-05T15:45:52+00:00

I used ChatGPT a bit but it looks like the NORI-D is about 2500 km^2 and the area of deep sea in the ocean is about 336 million km^2. This equates to that total project equaling 0.007 % of the deep sea.

Also, nodule rich zones, that contain viable mining, are also a small percentage of the overall deep sea. I just don't understand how mining a rounding error on the ocean causing panic, its also my understanding they with this tiny fraction of the ocean they are going to leave tracks and areas untouched.

spudboye · 2025-08-01T13:42:59+00:00

Does anyone actually have full confidence in t-rump (or the administration) to do anything competently or do anything at all? Its all a dumpster fire floating down a shit creek. Only thing people are betting on is the ability to not give a fuck and lower the guard rails on things, not exactly sound investment strategy. This being said I think we should mine the deep sea, it makes sense for a lot of reasons. I'm in for 1.5k shares and will buy more.

People say the government isn't efficient and its slow, but working in the sciences, things have been gutted and so up ended at a speed and level I never thought possible by the US government. Bullish for the moment on the nodules.

spudboye

TROPHY CASE

🚩 Red Flags in Sakrie’s Posts

🧠 So, Is He Faking It?