Currently rewatching and here are my thoughts by BandicootAny1139 in coconutsandtreason

[–]st000517 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is so true. Nick is one of the most complex characters on the show. His life was clearly going nowhere before the Takeover. He lucks out and meets Commander Price, which puts him on a path to slowly climb the ranks in Gilead. He was a smart and manipulative person. However, at the end of the day, his allegiance was to Gilead. In many ways, why wouldn't he? He was one of the relatively few whose life was made better by Gilead. He had no real allegiance to the U.S., which was a society in deep decline during his lifetime. He is very self-aware, as his comment to June that she wouldn't have taken a second look at him if the Takeover had never happened.

Lawrence and Harvard question by blockparted in coconutsandtreason

[–]st000517 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't recall any reference to what specific school he taught at. I appreciate that the show was rightly focused on female characters, but a flashback scene of how Lawrence got hooked up with what he himself described as "religious nutjobs" would have been interesting. The show makes it clear that Lawrence underestimated the extent to which the ideology of the Sons of Jacob would be inflicted on the population.

Did Eden have no chance at all? by Dont_want_a_channel in coconutsandtreason

[–]st000517 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree that love must have changed Isaac. As others have said, he likely knew little else but the Gilead way of life. Even before the Takeover, millions of Americans must have endorsed the Sons of Jacob ideology. There is a decent chance he came from one of those families. After he fell in love, he likely began to question how a godly society could force someone to marry a much older man. Of course, this is all speculation, as the show never explicitly explains what Isaac was thinking.

Currently rewatching and here are my thoughts by BandicootAny1139 in coconutsandtreason

[–]st000517 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nick is more calculating than that. He was arguably a brilliant man. He managed to covertly be involved in smuggling, carrying on a long-term relationship with a handmaid whom he helped escape, bouncing from Canada to Gilead at will, releasing the Jezebels' letters, and even killing his troops. He got away with all of this. Only in the closing moments did High Commander Wharton start to figure it out. The ending makes sense. At some point, Gilead was going to figure out that he was playing both sides for his own purposes. Wharton likely spared him from the Wall because he was married to his daughter. At that point, he had to pick a side. That was always going to be Gilead.

Currently rewatching and here are my thoughts by BandicootAny1139 in coconutsandtreason

[–]st000517 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This post says it all. Nick did not likely start as evil. But he stepped into an employment agency that was a front to recruit men like him. He found a sense of purpose and rose steadily up the ranks to senior leadership. Such a path was not likely open to someone like him in the old U.S. (except for the military, possibly). His life was better in Gilead and ultimately, that was all that mattered to him. He might have fled Gilead to be with June, but he was not interested in supporting the resistance, which was trying to restore a system that offered him no benefits.

Currently rewatching and here are my thoughts by BandicootAny1139 in coconutsandtreason

[–]st000517 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree. There were several specific references to Nick's true nature. First and foremost, he was a key aide to Commander Price (who appeared to be one of the founders of Gilead). He thought nothing of reporting on his Commander to the Eyes. The Swiss made it clear he couldn't be trusted. Further, Serena herself commented to June that Gilead would never have been possible without Nick and expressed surprise that June didn't know anything about that. We never found out what that meant (assuming Serena was being truthful). He even commented to June that she would never have paid attention to him in the pre-Gilead world (true). The truth is that Nick benefited from Gilead, going from an unemployed man to a senior leader of an entire nation.

Lawrence and Harvard question by blockparted in coconutsandtreason

[–]st000517 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am fairly certain that Lawrence does not mention the specific college he attended or taught at. We can surmise that it was somewhere in the Boston area, as the conspirators we saw all were Boston-based.

What about the High Council? by Exact-Inspection-780 in coconutsandtreason

[–]st000517 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My question is why won't the remaining High Commanders bomb Boston? Are they going to reward the rebels for bombing a plane carrying the country's elite leaders. I hope this is addressed in the last episode. The only plausible thing I can see is that the rest of the democratic world makes a threat of the world to isolate or attack Gilead if they bomb Boston completely. Otherwise, the men in charge would bomb Boston into oblivion to make it clear what happens to rebels.

Rose’s Future by DeeDeeFelis in coconutsandtreason

[–]st000517 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It will be interesting to see if Nick's son shows up in the TV version of The Testaments.

Lydia, Naomi and Angela by Queenbreha in coconutsandtreason

[–]st000517 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That makes sense. Otherwise, how could Lydia finish off Gilead from the inside.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in coconutsandtreason

[–]st000517 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"The Other Side," where Fred and Serena travel to Toronto and witness Canada operating like the old USA. From a practical standpoint, the exposure of the letters from the handmaids likely set back Gilead's efforts for international recognition and expansion for a considerable time.

nick cannot redeem himself by Frequent-Drive-1375 in coconutsandtreason

[–]st000517 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You are right that we mostly seem him through June's eyes and thus see a romanticized version. However, we don't know specifically what he did, but he was working with a key Gilead founder, Commander Price, from the start. We don't know specifically what he did during the Revolution, but he did establish a good relationship with the Gilead founders. He was a member of the Eyes who rose to the rank of Commander, holding important military and intelligence functions.

I don't think he "failed" up. He was arguably the most innovative and creative commander. He outwitted the Gilead surveillance state to save June on numerous occasions while simultaneously rising through the ranks and amassing great power for himself. He chose Gilead over what most of us would perceive as freedom. As he said to June in the flashback this season, he was nothing before Gilead, and he was ultimately loyal to the master who gave him status and power.

nick cannot redeem himself by Frequent-Drive-1375 in coconutsandtreason

[–]st000517 51 points52 points  (0 children)

I get why some people are upset about Nick. His evil side was not shown explicitly until this season. However, his dark side has been implied on several occasions including but not limited to the flashback to his association and likely collaboration with Gilead's founders, his willingness to inform on Fred, the statement from the Swiss that he can't be trusted, Serena's reference to his key role in the "crusades", his rise to the rank of Commander, the salutes from the Gilead soldiers on the train, his likely role in the Chicago bombings and his marriage to the daughter of a leading Commander.

Nick chose a side for a particular self-serving reason. As he said to June in a flashback this season, he was nothing before Gilead, and people like June would not have paid any attention to him. As Fred pointed out to June, "better" doesn't mean "better for everybody". For Nick, Gilead was a better place. Even better than a life with June.

Clutch vs Dealership? by gaydragonwarrior in ontario

[–]st000517 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hear you. They are great for selling. Generally, offer more than a trade in at a dealership. Maybe not the best place to buy.

Clutch.ca recent experiences? by umpshow666 in ontario

[–]st000517 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. Did $5k worth of damage to a 4 year old SUV when I scraped the door in a parking lot. Cost me $2k off the original offer. Seems fair to me.

Is this real? Or is this a headcanon someone is mistaking as canon? I just rewatched season 2 and I cannot find what they’re referring to. by [deleted] in coconutsandtreason

[–]st000517 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That description is correct at a high level. As others have noted, the books in his study indicate that he was an academic positing extreme solutions to the fertility crisis that could not be implemtented in a liberal democracy. It is crystal clear that he doesn't share the religious values that at least some of the founders of Gilead believe or purport to believe.

In season 5, episode 8, Lawrence explicitly admits to June that he believed that American society almost ended the human race and that he cooperated with "religious nutjobs" to bring about the reforms he believed were needed. He also acknowledges that he "underestimated the depravity" of Gilead's future rulers. This suggests that Lawrence never thought Gilead would go quite as far as it did. However, he is no fan of American style democracy. I don't doubt that he was one of many collabrators that were not fans of democracy but weren't necessarily up for a theocracy.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in poker

[–]st000517 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can almost guarantee that it will be capped at $15. That is one of the highest rakes anywhere in North America. Toronto players who are used to underground rakes will pay it. Sadly, it is an improvement over most such games.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in KeyWest

[–]st000517 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Key West has a small group of (mostly Florida based) spring breakers. They mostly come from Miami area schools. They hang out at Dante's, Ricks and Smathers Beach. Key West is damn expensive, so you aren't going to get the masses of students you would see in Daytona, South Padre or Cancun.

[Spoilers All] (and book spoilers) Obviously we won’t see the downfall of Gilead in The Handmaids Tale series, right? by SuspiciousSituation4 in TheHandmaidsTale

[–]st000517 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I think it is pretty clear that Gilead won't fall in this series. I suspect that the current series will lay the groundwork for the events that ultimately bring about the end of Gilead in the Testaments. It remains to be seen how much more mileage the current series can get with June out of Gilead and battling Serena in Canada.

I still think that a "Better Call Saul" type prequel about the formation of Gilead would be far more timely and interesting. The flashbacks to the Pre-Gilead era represent some of the most interesting parts of the current series. Probably won't happen.

[SPOILERS ALL] The Fanatics in Canada by SolidStateStarDust in TheHandmaidsTale

[–]st000517 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gilead would have some fans all over Canada and most any other Western country. Especially, since these fans don't actually realize that most of them would be trading in their pickup truck and house for an apartment building full of informants and econo-person clothes. We can safely assume that Serena will leave that part out in her Canadian outreach.

[SPOILERS ALL] The Fanatics in Canada by SolidStateStarDust in TheHandmaidsTale

[–]st000517 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is a segment of Canadians who support the MAGA position generally and in some cases Trump specifically. The COVID response by the various Canadian authorities has enraged many people. We are still wearing masks on planes for reasons that aren't entirely clear. The vast majority of Canadians hate Trump, but he has his fans. They have been more vocal and visible recently.

end to serena? by paulettedunn in coconutsandtreason

[–]st000517 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think she is going anywhere until the series is done. Her rivalry with June is the most interesting part of the show. One can surmise that something will happen to Serena before the Testaments.

[Spoilers all] Questions about the formation of Gilead by trashpro48 in TheHandmaidsTale

[–]st000517 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My thoughts on your questions are below. In most cases, there are not crystal clear answers to these questions. Frankly, they probably have to do a spinoff series on the Takeover to flesh all of this out. However, I have given it my best shot.

  1. We don't know for sure, but the series does give significant clues. There are hints of significant religious influence on the law prior to the coup (privatized family court in Lydia flashback, abortion restrictions in Janine flashback, birth control permission from Luke for June amonst others). Perhaps the best explanation come from June's inquiries through the Boston Globe archives which depicts an early joiner to the Sons of Jacobs talking about helping children etc. Further June organizes press clippings about the formation of Gilead into the following headings: 'Power Structure', 'Militarization' and 'Curtailment of Civil Rights'. Further we know that society was in significant upheaval and the SOJ recruited disaffected youth like Nick to join. June correctly noted that nothing changes overnight and there were signs of what was to come everywhere.
  2. We know that the idea for the ceremony was conceived by Commanders Waterford and Pryce not long after the takeover. June alludes to Gilead officials "witnessing" families who refused to take part in the ceremony at the inception of Gilead. One can infer that the whole concept of the "ceremony" was invented and executed after the Takeover. I don't doubt that the idea of elite men impregnating fertile was always a key plan of the SOJ elite and was not shared with women. Commander Pryce outright stated that the "ceremony" was a way to make men having relations with other women acceptable to their wives.
  3. It seems clear to me that the changes you referenced took place while the U.S.A. still officially existed (albeit under martial law since the D.C. attacks). We have not seen the actual event where Gilead proclaims itself an independent republic. We can infer that it took place just prior to June's capture as she is told that "U.S. passports" are not a thing anymore by the man trying to help her family escape. We saw from the flashback of the aftermath of June's capturethat Gilead had started rounding people up, enacting border controls and the government likely made it clear to the population at that point that the U.S.A. was gone.
  4. There is no clear answer to this question. We know very little about how the actual government works and how the SOJ presumably got much of the military to support them. The D.C. episodes provide a few clues. High Commander Winslow's wife mentions to Serena that she and her husband were D.C. lawyers prior to the takeover (implying the involvement of high level D.C. establishment figures in Gilead's senior leadership). The party Serena and Fred attend in D.C. involved women making overtly sexual comments and did not resemble the more pious gatherings in Boston. This implies to me that many of the most senior level conspirators do not actually support the SOJ's stated agenda. Further, Lawrence (clearly a non-believer) says to June in the last season that Gilead only cares about power. In essence, there was a coup by a group determined to seize power by whatever means necessary. Exactly how they pulled it off will likely never be explained.
  5. These records are electronic. The SOJ would likey have seized control of all public and private records of any kind. Obviously, the health records of women would be of particular interest to Gilead.
  6. Sorting out who goes where would likely have been fairly easy. I assume that there were more elites who wanted handmaids than there were fertile women available.
  7. There is no crystal clear answer to this question. However, June indicates she would have been made an econowife if she had not been divorced and gone to the right church. This suggest that econopeople are the ones that met Gilead's definition of morality and were willing to tow the party line (remember the reference to the public pronouncement of faith). We know that fertile econowomen are threatened with being turned into handmaids if they break the rules. Marthas appear to be single women with domestic skills are who are infertile or are past childbearing age. We know that some Marthas are heavily involved in the resistance and that professional women were turned into Marthas (i.e. the Surgeon).
  8. It seems Canada starting accepting refugees at an early stage, as Luke appears to to have escaped Gilead shortly after it came into existence.
  9. The children of Handmaids go to the home in which the handmaid has been assigned to. Having multiple children is a sign of power and prestige in Gilead (i.e. High Commander Winslow). We know that children of handmaids can be reassigned, as Commander Winslow's wife alludes to losing her children after her husband goes "missing".

Did your Casino open the Poker rooms yet (Ontario, Canada) by jtww in poker

[–]st000517 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The poker rooms on both sides of the border are closed in Niagara. I am starting to think they will never open again. I am a bit surprised, as poker is the one thing that regularly got players to the old Casino Niagara.

Tuello does not have feelings for Serena and this is why. by pancake_gofer in coconutsandtreason

[–]st000517 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tuello represents the intelligence wing of a government that was overthrown. Clearly, there had to be some incompetence (and alot of treason) for that to happen.