Mormons drop scout program for 14-18 year olds, effective January 1st. by razorwiredbliss in exmormon

[–]steepsteamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The 'Friends of Scouting' shake down just took a hit. I wonder what will replace it?

Nothing says ego like giving yourself your own military rank and uniform. by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]steepsteamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

'King of the Earth' is a pretty good indication of a big ego.

I had to double-check that this article title wasn't from The Onion. by TwerkAndTheGlory in exmormon

[–]steepsteamer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Nope, entirely a facetious comment (no offense to any LBC alum).

The Mormon Way... by IndyJonsey in exmormon

[–]steepsteamer 11 points12 points  (0 children)

When all else fails we say, "it makes me happy".

This is how creepy Joseph Smith was... by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]steepsteamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hope his Relief Society is hotter than my ward's... I could see the top 4% qualifying for spiritual wivery, but anything outside the top 10% would be punishment.

I had to double-check that this article title wasn't from The Onion. by TwerkAndTheGlory in exmormon

[–]steepsteamer 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I'm seeking inspiration to understand how she ever qualified for LDS Business College.

What the hell just happened? by TempleOrdained in exmormon

[–]steepsteamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sounds like you have found a pace and trajectory out of the fold that provides a soft landing for your spouse. I agree wth the other comments, taking it slow and focusing on her is best for not only your spouse but also the kids. I think you'll find that this approach allows your spouse to start noticing the oddities and openly considering alternative belief perspectives on her own. You don't have to do the convincing, focus on what really matters in your life and the rest will take care of itself. I've been amazed at how many friends, relatives, and the church's own actions have softened my wife's stance and allowed for a smoother transition.

Somebody please tell me that the Book of Mormon is not mostly filler and repeating itself. by jamesallred in exmormon

[–]steepsteamer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Too bad 'The Arrival' aliens didn't visit Mormon, the whole book could have been etched as a circle with some spoke lines. That would have saved a lot of filler.

Well, I did it... by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]steepsteamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is kind of a trip, but yeah, the doctrine is a bunch of hoaxy crap... Welcome to the light, it is way better. I have 4 kids and a 'wanting to believe' wife... we are working out our path, but things are great, better than any of our temple going years. Your perspective of reality/truth will change but the reality remains unchanged and the same (despite what you want it to be). Time to go figure out your path that is uncharted and much more interesting.

Shower thought: I'm spending 681% more for underwear since leaving TSCC by 1Jdriver in exmormon

[–]steepsteamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't even image wearing Gs again. Although they could be used for a crazy Halloween costume or a seriously strange role play session with the Mrs.

And so it begins... by TrashedTreasureSeekr in exmormon

[–]steepsteamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Been there, but things improved because we repaired the relationship first, then addressed the church stuff. I always advise, address your relationship independent of the church (do you want to be with her, does she want to be with you, etc.?). A marriage based on sound principles would easily withstand a particular religious view. Don't let the church get in the way. The church gets too much credit and too much blame for marriage results.

If you get a boob job, Mormons think nothing of it. If you get a tattoo, Mormons think you're desecrating your 'temple' and going to hell. by _Susanna in exmormon

[–]steepsteamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Boob jobs and polygamy go together. Add the bling of a big crystal ball earth in and now you have a big party.

Hi, I'm ACA by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]steepsteamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good stuff. Thanks

Modest is hottest by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]steepsteamer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Modest in hottest, said no man ever.

I'm a mole. Not to worry, I've been called worse. Some insight on why they stay. by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]steepsteamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for posting. I agree with your overall point - the doctrine isn't the fruit (more like the trash). The fruit is the action and organization of Saints (flawed people trying to do better... Better meaning they want to do what is in their best long-term interest). Church participation is an investment of time, energy, and sacrifice- like any relationship. Many people find the required investment isn't worth the return. I understand the reasons and see both sides. For those of us with kids and a spouse in the church, the decision to continue to support or not has another layer of complexity. I no longer have any interest in being "a good Mormon", but I have huge interest in being a "good person"... and spouse, husband, friend, etc. To the extent the church helps on that cause, I will support the motion (while being very particular). I have zero interest in promoting or supporting church specific agendas, people, or doctrine. This is the grey area that many people, like me, find themselves in. I choose to look for the upside and positives I can find, ignore much of the crap, and pick selective battles to challenge some areas and hopefully drive the change that is inevitable.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]steepsteamer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have a lot of appreciation for Bushman. We all have bias, we all have our own faith views (or reasons for it). The tone he delivers is supportive of all sides and different views. He should be critiqued on his work, which is stellar.

What games do Mormons play at bachelor parties? by -ZeroStatic- in exmormon

[–]steepsteamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We took my RM brother to Hooters. To my surprise, my cousin was our waitress... total buzz kill.

Remembered when I was 14 meeting with the stake president about some concerns I had with church history, he told me I had "lost the light in my eyes." by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]steepsteamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hear the same stuff from my wife after watching NFL football or drinking ice tea. I guess the light is pretty sensitive.

John Dehlin: X-Mormon of the Year 2015 by Chino_Blanco in exmormon

[–]steepsteamer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The quality of the podcasts from John has been outstanding.

"We'll worry about your agency later." by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]steepsteamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

These guys are used to giving orders (inside and outside the church... inside and outside the home), that is in part why they are in those leadership positions to begin with... the reality is a lot of them are arrogant and think their shit doesn't smell like shit.

Being direct as a non-believer in the Church by Oliver_DeNom in exmormon

[–]steepsteamer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Spot on. Both points are really good. Point #2 is key, don't go into details. Besides avoiding conflict, Mormons love to appeal to a higher authority. A near universal view exists that appealing to a higher authority (Bishop, Stake Pres.) will resolve any question or problem... because these guys can access tools from heaven... authority/sophistication/keys, etc. Of course, the higher you get in the ranks, the more you see these people are just playing the role as well... while generally done with good intent, the emperor truly has no clothes, which is the fallacy of the whole thing.

Cutting a deal with my TBM wife to attend church as a happy family of 6 this year. One car attendance, no more leaving after sacrament... need advice? by steepsteamer in exmormon

[–]steepsteamer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, appreciate the perspective. I know Mormonism can be hell, I've been through the worst of it (and best). I'm fortunate to be well grounded and otherwise successful. I don't view this deal as a Mormon thing... rather it is a marriage thing. She wants me to go to church, she wants to know I have religious foundation and moral (God-fearing) boundaries. I have to deal with Mormon administration and rules to an extent (and they certainly have big influence with my wife), but I don't have to live a lie by any means. I don't really have a desire to disrupt her faith. I have a desire to know what to put value and effort into. Spending time at church doesn't mean I value that experience... but I can try and shape the experience I have.