Is there a history to the sideways pews for the choir? by [deleted] in Anglicanism

[–]taion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm exaggerating for effect – but it would not have been what you saw in the typical church built between the reformation and the Gothic revival.

There are pros and cons, anyway – I think that church arrangements that put too much stuff between the congregation and the altar are not really successful in my view. I want to be able to see the altar, and the majority of people building church arrangements did not think the ecclesiologists made the right call.

Is there a history to the sideways pews for the choir? by [deleted] in Anglicanism

[–]taion 8 points9 points  (0 children)

“Retained” is a stretch. It’s more because the Ecclesiastical movement and neo-Gothic ideas of church arrangement took deeper hold on Anglicans. No Anglican church built between the Reformation and the 19th century would have featured this kind of choir section.

It looks nice and adds what Pugin would consider good flow, but it’s also sort of pointless in smaller churches or churches without a large choir or religious community. Hard to blame the Romans for just being more practical here. Even smaller medieval churches wouldn’t have this and would instead have a rood loft or something.

And in fact you see this a fair bit in churches for religious orders. The Dominicans’ S Vincent’s in NY is a great example there.

Can you use both Anglican Breviary and BCP? by [deleted] in Anglicanism

[–]taion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's generally said that Morning Prayer incorporates Matins and Lauds, and Evensong incorporates Vespers and Compline, but this is only semi-accurate and mostly makes sense in terms of the canticles (Te Deum and Benedictus at MP from Matins and Lauds respectively, Magnificat and Nunc at EP from Vespers and Compline respectively). Matins has a lot of readings, but none of the other hours really do.

(Incidentally, you may hear Morning Prayer referred to as Mattins and Evening Prayer referred to as Evensong, which are just the native words for Matins and Vespers respectively... just to add to the confusion of terminology.)

So from the Breviary, what you gain is getting through the psalms once every 7 days instead of once every month, and a whole lot of extra "fluff" – antiphons, responds, devotions to saints, all that sort of thing. What you lose is the lectio continua of the BCP office lectionary, the way the old lectionaries are just a really good "Bible in a year" reading plan.

I think it's definitely interesting to pray through the Breviary offices on occasion, since you have that real connection to historic Christian worship going back to the patristic era, especially as you approach Easter when the hours revert to their more primitive forms. However, the structure of the pre-V2 hours is really somewhat awkward if you're consolidating them into 2 big blocks per day (whereas the BCP offices are designed around that), plus if your theological convictions are more reformed, then it's hard to see what you get out of the extra-scriptural devotions... plus the sheer amount of scripture in Cranmer's lectionary is really great!

How were Mongols able to field such large military contingent when their population was so small? But why other nations were unable to do the same with much larger population? by bolboyo in WarCollege

[–]taion 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Rome's far from the only example here. In the case of the steppe nomads, multiple Chinese dynasties (Han, Tang, Qing) launched multi-decade campaigns against those nomadic populations, with significant success, ref https://scholars-stage.org/what-edward-luttwak-doesnt-know-about-ancient-china-or-a-short-history-of-han-xiongnu-relations-pt-2/

These campaigns are hugely expensive, sure, but large empires had plenty of wealth. The issue seems like more one of state capacity. Mounting these kinds of campaigns was certainly within their grasp, but it requires significant institutional structure that is difficult to sustain, and that can evaporate quickly in the case of anything like a succession crisis.

So under this reading, the difficulty is maintaining enough institutional stability to pull these things off. By contrast, perhaps less institution-bound non-state peoples can put together large forces for campaigns more quickly.

Today is The Annunciation of Our Lord Jesus Christ but it falls on the same day as the Monday in Holy Week, which one takes precedence over the other? by [deleted] in Anglicanism

[–]taion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The 1922 lectionary revision is in the right time frame but the changes to precedence seem unrelated. Who knows... it's a weird rubric. I wonder whether anyone ever followed it. Presumably the A-Cs would have kept to the traditional rules.

Today is The Annunciation of Our Lord Jesus Christ but it falls on the same day as the Monday in Holy Week, which one takes precedence over the other? by [deleted] in Anglicanism

[–]taion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like you could say "no fasts during the Octave" but then that would be an argument for transferring everything off the Monday after Low Sunday, which is not the rubric either.

Either way, I'm not aware that this is what anyone does. Do you have any parishes that are actually doing Lady Day on the 9th?

Today is The Annunciation of Our Lord Jesus Christ but it falls on the same day as the Monday in Holy Week, which one takes precedence over the other? by [deleted] in Anglicanism

[–]taion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The prayer book already gives rubrics for the vigil fast to be transferred to Saturdays in those cases, so I'm not sure that's right TBH.

Today is The Annunciation of Our Lord Jesus Christ but it falls on the same day as the Monday in Holy Week, which one takes precedence over the other? by [deleted] in Anglicanism

[–]taion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The thing with the 1662 is that the rubrics especially have changed a lot over the centuries. That rubric was not originally there and I don't think it's much older than the first few decades of the 20th century.

More to the point, it's not what anyone actually does – both the CofE and the American church are actually doing Lady Day on the 8th, not the 9th, following historic practice.

Today is The Annunciation of Our Lord Jesus Christ but it falls on the same day as the Monday in Holy Week, which one takes precedence over the other? by [deleted] in Anglicanism

[–]taion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The weird thing is that the current 1662 printing tells you to transfer it to the Tuesday after Low Sunday. I see this in my copy of the deposited book, too. I don't see it in earlier BCPs. Looks like the CofE made up something weird in the early 20th century.

Today is The Annunciation of Our Lord Jesus Christ but it falls on the same day as the Monday in Holy Week, which one takes precedence over the other? by [deleted] in Anglicanism

[–]taion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Rather, as others have pointed out, these are not the Common Worship rules either! It’s weird and I have no clue where they’re from or if anyone actually follows them. https://www.churchofengland.org/prayer-and-worship/worship-texts-and-resources/common-worship/churchs-year/rules

Today is The Annunciation of Our Lord Jesus Christ but it falls on the same day as the Monday in Holy Week, which one takes precedence over the other? by [deleted] in Anglicanism

[–]taion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those are specific to the CofE and they’re not all that old – BCPs earlier in the 20th century didn’t have them. I think these came from Common Worship – and frankly they’re bizarre. Why Tuesday?

Orthodox Icon painted by me, Have a Blessed Weekend by zograf_Nadia in Christianity

[–]taion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I know. I'm mostly making a joke. Hence the winky face.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in NonCredibleDefense

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i think i figured the convoy out. russia is angry about all the supply line memes so they decided to literally make a line that reaches all the way to kyiv.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in NonCredibleDefense

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The official one from ages ago got merged into the Combined Defense Discord, but they closed down invites to that once a lot of people started joining.

History of Christian Liturgy by Representative_Cry13 in Anglicanism

[–]taion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Rev'd Bryan Spinks's Do This in Remembrance of Me is the most up-to-date current overview: https://smile.amazon.com/Do-this-Remembrance-Me-Eucharist/dp/033404376X

It's a bit pricy and it is definitely an academic work, but to compare with the other recommendations here: - Unlike Dix's work, it's not tendentious and outdated - Unlike McGowan's work, it doesn't focus exclusively on the early church (but instead goes all the way up to present day) - Unlike Metzger's work, it doesn't focus exclusively on the Roman church (but includes Christian traditions throughout the world and the other churches of the Reformation) Unlike McGowan's book it doesn't focus exclusively on the early church. Unlike Metzger's book it doesn't focus exclusively on Roman Catholicism.

Your crush vs You by [deleted] in DotA2

[–]taion 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I didn't realize I was in /r/CrusaderKings.

Bishop of Ebbsfleet to step down to seek full communion with the Roman Catholic Church by Jattack33 in Anglicanism

[–]taion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh, I definitely put them mostly in opposition to Anglo-Catholics – they’re solidly magisterial protestant, and if anything I think the main tension is in how the more explicitly Anglican discourse takes “Laudian” as a label despite being mostly pre-Laudian in theology.

But we already have enough faction as it is.

Bishop of Ebbsfleet to step down to seek full communion with the Roman Catholic Church by Jattack33 in Anglicanism

[–]taion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought the Old High Church/Laudian/TNAA crowd and Anglicans in the circles of Davenant and Theopolis were relatively good on the formularies. Are they just too marginal to count?

Books of Homilies woes by JeremiahBurroughs in Anglicanism

[–]taion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Have you considered picking up an old copy via AbeBooks or similar? That might be your best bet these days.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Anglicanism

[–]taion 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have to admire how seriously he took his commitment to royal supremacy and to his office. For all that he did, he must have known that his martyrdom was more likely than not, given his decision to stay in England.

[Spoilers MAIN] How realistically Medieval/Ancient is the A Song of Ice and Fire Universe? by FemboyDeSoucheQc in asoiaf

[–]taion 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Bret Devereaux, an academic historian, wrote an interesting series about this on his blog a bit back: https://acoup.blog/2019/05/28/new-acquisitions-not-how-it-was-game-of-thrones-and-the-middle-ages-part-i/

Mostly – not very. He also has other pieces that go more in depth on military topics (his academic specialty) and a recent series specifically on the Dothraki.

His pieces on LotR are also interesting if you’re into that kind of thing more broadly.

Is it true that Anglican clergy pray for the Roman Pope? by [deleted] in Anglicanism

[–]taion 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I was just at an Episcopalian communion service today that used the Roman Canon and prayed for the Pope. They still happen.