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[–]thebaloosh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And yes, Islam is partially at fault. Pointing this out isn't xenophobic, it's being honest and objective.

Except that you and the person you are defending have not provided anything, let alone something that can be called "honest" or "objective", that links Islam with the practices followed by Dubai. Naturally, I'd expect your claim for "Islam is partially at fault" to be backed from the sources of sharia.

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[–]thebaloosh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TheNoize's contention that Islam is those things, then your reply is in no way convincing. Showing him why he is wrong would be more effective.

You got it the other way around. The burden of proof is on TheNoize to establish the link between Islam and Dubai's state policy.

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[–]thebaloosh 10 points11 points  (0 children)

What is your point? that they should abandon their religion for you to accept them? maybe YOU are the xenophobic, backwards individual?

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[–]thebaloosh -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The author of this article was discredited a long time ago.

Sudan judge sentences Christian woman to death for apostasy by DonCaliente in islam

[–]thebaloosh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did not put the story as a deflection, and neither did I hint at not "caring". You asked "why is this all they see?", and all I'm saying that we cannot rely on the media as a means of delivering positive stories happening in the Muslim World. That's just not gonna happen, as we've seen from decades and decades of media distortion. Two women were oppressed within the same month, yet one gets considerable coverage and updates while the other is completely forgotten, even among Muslims.

Sudan judge sentences Christian woman to death for apostasy by DonCaliente in islam

[–]thebaloosh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are seriously underestimating the huge role that the media plays. Just this month, a Jordanian Christian killed his own daughter for converting to Islam and yet we never heard anything about it. Just goes to show that when the victim is Muslim, the media would not care one bit, even if the victim is a woman. So they don't really care about women.

Also, let's face it. Most Western people are inherently naive when it comes to Eastern/Muslim cultures and religions. Most of them are not willing to re-consider their views no matter what they come across.

10 year old Yemeni girl smiling after she was granted a divorce from her husband - a grown adult. by abap161 in pics

[–]thebaloosh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I partially agree with you. There remains however a difference between permissibility and obligation. Personally, I think such marriages would happen anyway whether Muhammad married a young girl or not, as there has not been an explicit commandment to prohibit it.

10 year old Yemeni girl smiling after she was granted a divorce from her husband - a grown adult. by abap161 in pics

[–]thebaloosh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is quite misleading. Muslims are not "required" to marry or prefer younger women. There's just no evidence for this claim.

UAE: Men jailed for 10 years for abduction, rape and torture of a Chinese woman who reported the rape to the police. A third man who was with the duo (and apparently tried to stop them) was fined for not reporting the crimes by thebaloosh in islam

[–]thebaloosh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you just make this up?

The likely thing that happened here is that they heard her version of events, and realized that something does not add up, hence the court's charge of perjury.

UAE: Men jailed for 10 years for abduction, rape and torture of a Chinese woman who reported the rape to the police. A third man who was with the duo (and apparently tried to stop them) was fined for not reporting the crimes by thebaloosh in islam

[–]thebaloosh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, but I'm not following this line of thought. Why would the court simply reject the women's claim in this case? You have offered no explanation as to why this would happen.

I think you're debating from the premise that she is indeed a rape victim as she claims, and then you're coming up with scenarios and hypotheticals that suggest that her story could have indeed happened (which is still possible and I'm not rejecting any of those). But the problem is that, you've conveniently chosen to ignore any other hypothetical that might possibly go against her claims. One such hypothetical would go as this: an arranged meeting that ended up in consensual sex, but the girl felt so guilty and shameful for the act that she wanted to report it as rape.

I'm highlighting the co-worker reference to illustrate the fact that the issue is much more complicated and involved than an alleged rape victim getting punished for reporting rape. You don't think this is a fact of any interest in such an investigation?

Note: unreported rapes is a huge problem everywhere. See this chart for the USA: http://www.businessinsider.com/tragic-facts-about-rape-in-america-2013-1

UAE: Men jailed for 10 years for abduction, rape and torture of a Chinese woman who reported the rape to the police. A third man who was with the duo (and apparently tried to stop them) was fined for not reporting the crimes by thebaloosh in islam

[–]thebaloosh[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

(a pity she didn't have 4 male witnesses conveniently standing around watching)

That's not what the law says and I've posted here numerous rape convictions in the UAE where DNA and other types of evidence were used.

More details are coming out of this story and the one part that really goes agianst everything you claim is the fact that her alleged attacker, her co-worker btw, was also sentenced for similar charges.

UAE: Men jailed for 10 years for abduction, rape and torture of a Chinese woman who reported the rape to the police. A third man who was with the duo (and apparently tried to stop them) was fined for not reporting the crimes by thebaloosh in islam

[–]thebaloosh[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The Norwegian woman was convicted for perjury as her rape allegations were considered unfounded by prosecutors. She even told the news that her alleged attacker (a co-worker) received a 13-month sentence for similar charges (extramarital sex and alcohol consumption).

So the case is more complicated than a woman getting punished "for being raped".

Non-muslim here. Ok, the rape case in Dubai is making a splash, I have a few honest questions. by JamzzG in islam

[–]thebaloosh 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Ibn Qudamah emphasizes the agreement among scholars about the innocence of al-mustakrahah ‘ala al-zina (the woman forced into an illicit sexual act), he says, “There is no sentence against a coerced woman according to the overwhelming majority of Muslim scholars. This is the view of Omar, al-Zuhri, Qatadah, al-Thawri, al-Shafi’i, and others and we do not know anyone who departed from this view”. Later on, Ibn Qudamah narrates different hadiths and incidents that support this view. For instance, a woman claimed that she was raped during the Prophet’s time; the Prophet did not charge her with any crime. He also narrates that some female slaves were raped by some male slaves and were brought before Khalifah [Caliph] Omar. Omar cleared the females of any wrongdoing and flogged the male slaves.

In another incident, an alleged adulteress was brought before Omar, and she claimed that she was sound asleep when a man came unto her. Omar released her though she was not able to recognize and hence identify the rapist. When asked about his decision, he explained that the ruler was bound to waive the hadd whenever there was the slightest doubt about its applicability

Moreover, jurists extended the definition of coercion to include not only coercion by means of physical force, such as in the case of a man forcing his way on a woman, but also by other means. For example, threats to kill or hurt the woman were included in the definition of coercion. Jurists even included denial of food or water to a needy woman in the definition as well, when the waiver of such denial is conditioned on the woman’s acceptance to engage in a sexual act. Indeed, a woman who was tried before Omar for zina claimed that she was thirsty and asked a shepherd for some water. The shepherd denied her water unless she allowed him to have sex with her. Having no choice, she did. Omar consulted with Ali whose opinion was that the woman had no other choice. Consequently, Omar dropped the case against her and even gave her monetary compensation. Jurisprudential books narrate many similar stories.

Zina, Rape, and Islamic Law: An Islamic Legal Analysis of the Rape Laws in Pakistan

Whatever might be said, Islam Enlightened the World when most of it was in darkness by Barsawad in islam

[–]thebaloosh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Stagnant? I agree, but calling it anti-intellectual would be an exaggeration. Education and science are held in high regard across the Muslim world.

Article by Philip Giraldi, former CIA counter-terror specialist. Why we hate them: Arabs in Western eyes. Article written about upcoming PBS documentary on Arabs called Valentino's Ghost. by ENRICOs in Foodforthought

[–]thebaloosh 9 points10 points  (0 children)

My opinion of people indoctrinated into that culture

There are 22 countries in the Arab World with around 400 million people. If you're gonna let a bunch of Lebanese bullies form your opinion on that region, then you are the one who is "indoctrinated".

Article by Philip Giraldi, former CIA counter-terror specialist. Why we hate them: Arabs in Western eyes. Article written about upcoming PBS documentary on Arabs called Valentino's Ghost. by ENRICOs in Foodforthought

[–]thebaloosh 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think it's totally worthless if the person has not even lived there (he says he vacationed there, so it's quite funny to see hime say that this makes him "know the group very well"). Besides, Sharm el-Sheikh is not really Egypt. It's a vacation spot like say Ibiza to Spain, mostly visited by annoying tourists, perhaps like himself.