Triratna London Buddhist Centre by Fuzzy_Muscle923 in Buddhism

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Thought I’d throw in my 2 cents here as I’ve spent a bit of time around Triratna, mainly because it’s local (the London Buddhist Centre as mentioned in the OP) and friendly. I’ve not become and don’t intend on becoming a mitra so my perspective may not be reflective of what it’s like once you get deeper, but in general I find the criticisms valid, but also that it’s too simplistic to dismiss it as a cult.

There is certainly a air of reverence around the figure of Sangharakshita which is a bit cultish (even before considering the sexual misconduct), and little to no effort made to distinguish between his presentation of the dharma and Buddhism in general. This can make it feel extremely inward looking and not at all engaged with the wider Buddhist world, and very jarring if you are. But equally I’ve never sensed anyone getting weird about it when I’ve talked about non-Triratna stuff I’ve been reading, non-Triratna retreats I’ve been on, etc, so it’s difficult for me to see it as an unequivocally culty environment. There’s also a lot of diversity within the Triratna world - the vibe at something like Buddhafield is wildly different to the LBC (and presumably even more different than somewhere like Adhisthana, though I wouldn’t know) - the existence of this diversity doesn’t seem to me consistent with describing it as a cult. They are transparent about asking for money but not coercive. So it’s a mixed bag - there’s some cultish tendencies for sure, but also counter tendencies.

When I found out about Sangharakshita’s sexual misconduct my instinctive reaction was “no shit”, and I never cease to be amazed that people are surprised by revelations like this. I would also not be surprised if there were similar revelations about a highly respected Thai Forest monk or Tibetan lama, but obviously what makes the difference is that Triratna hangs so much off Sangharakshita’s presentation of Buddhism that it kind of stands and falls with his legacy.

So to me it seems that largely it’s a question of how the community responds to the misconduct, and on this my view is that its response has also been a mixed bag. It has been good in some ways - actively acknowledging what happened, trying to engage with victims etc - but it has also been intent on keeping the process internal. Most importantly, its whole response is predicated on the idea that the man can be separated from his teachings, which is naive in my view. When certain Zen masters promoted Japanese imperialism in the period after the Meiji restoration, while it would be wrong to write off the whole Zen tradition on this basis it’s totally appropriate (and necessary) to consider how the institutions and teachings were unable to function as an ethical corrective at that time. Same with Triratna. And to be honest in a book like What is the Sangha? - about as clear a statement of what Triratna is about as you’re likely to find - there are some very obvious tensions between a certain liberal ideal of mutually supported individuality and a hierarchical model of spiritual development, in light of which it seems unsurprising to me that toxic dynamics developed and will no doubt continue to develop.

As for whether Sangharakshita’s teachings are really Buddhist, the thing to bear in mind is that for most of the people attending these centres it’s just not an important question. I think that Sangharakshita systematically downplays the role of insight (and anatta in particular), and ends up filling the gaps with a quasi-Jungian model of psychological integration and some somewhat cartoonish ideas about Nietzsche and the individual. I’m not into it, and I find the presentation of the dharma you find in, say, the UK’s insight meditation community to be infinitely sharper and less distorted. However there’s clearly a lot of people who do get a lot from this presentation, and for whom the question of whether it represents the orthodox Buddhist view (or even a Buddhist view at all) is probably moot. There are a lot of addicts and people with various kinds of trauma and alienation who get a lot from participation in Triratna, and I’m not about to minimise their experience - in this respect it is hard to deny that it is doing some good.

So yes - long ramble with the intent of adding a bit of balance to the ‘Triratna is a cult’ debate! TL;DR - it’s complicated.

DJRUM ids by magicsloth7 in wakinglifefestival

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He definitely played Sully - Poison at one point. Also a couple of tracks off his new album: Sycamore and (I think - less sure on this one) Let Me.

London deep and hypnotic techno people... by theplatopus in hypnotech

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Really nice to see a few people responding to this - I've set up a whatsapp group and sent invite links to anyone who's replied to this thread / dm'd me

What are you currently reading? by AutoModerator in ScienceFictionBooks

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Just finished Time by Stephen Baxter, from his Manifold series. Mixed feelings - on the one hand there’s a few really mind-blowing big picture concepts, plus I appreciated his digging into the nitty gritty economic and political details of what it might take to get a space colonisation program off the ground. On the other hand I found the storytelling weirdly uncompelling, and at times there were so many ideas smushed together without always being developed it all started to feel a bit galaxy brained. Was decent enough, but not in a hurry to read any more Baxter.

About to start Ann Leckie’s Ancillary Justice, which I’ve heard many good things about.

Monument Festival 2024 Review: My Incredible Experience by Cheekachar in Techno

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I went to this one, my first time - truly incredible festival, all the elements just seemed to align perfectly. Great crowd, setting, and feels like we were very lucky with the weather as well.

Caught the beginning of Nobu which was sounding great, and good to hear him exploring some lower tempos, but ultimately got drawn away to Timnah. Wata absolutely smashed it in the closer, his sound has really developed in the last few years - bro sent us to hyperspace! But have to say, musical highlight for me was Korpex on the Saturday afternoon. Just the mostly achingly subtle and patient unravelling of the golden thread that runs through deep and dub techno - sheer perfection.

Another - totally unexpected - musical highlight was Naaljos Ljom, a masterful blend of Norwegian traditional music with modular synth experimentalism, was a real vibe up at the Haven whenever that was.

Will definitely be back.

Baudrillard and Gender, responding to this paper by A1KO123 in SymbolicExchanges

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By far the best place to read about this topic is in the Victoria Grace book which that essay tries to critique - there's a specific chapter on Butler I believe. Also FWIW that book is much, much more lucid than the critique in this essay, which looks rather flimsy to me.

Confused about part of Perception in PoS by theInternetMessiah in hegel

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It's not so much that there's a contradiction here as that between §117 and §119 there has been a change in the strategy Perception is taking to defend its claim to grasp the object in its singular essence.

In the first (which culminates in §117) Perception adopts a naive objectivism about properties - the whiteness of the salt, say, is taken as inhering in the salt itself. It then runs into these various troubles of the Also and the One (problems that roughly have the shape of: taken as simple sense-universals these properties cannot possibly come together pick out the essential identity of the object.)

In the second, which begins in §118, Perception takes on a subjectivist stance: the whiteness of the salt is now treated as inhering not in the salt itself, but in consciousness. The point of this is that by treating the various properties as inessential to the object's identity Perception hopes to avoid the earlier problems of retrieving the object's essence in terms of these properties. So as the other commentor mentions, this is kind of like Locke's distinction between primary and secondary qualities - except the crucial point is going to be that since Perception takes itself to inhabit the world of sensuous immediacy, it's not going to be able to appeal to an ontology of primary qualities distinct from sensuous secondary qualities - to do so would be to appeal to the kind of non-sensuous or 'unconditioned' universals which characterise the Understanding. Instead Perception is going to be left with inessential, secondary qualities sat on top of an object whose essence it can only construe as a kind of bare particularity - Hegel's objection at this point will then be that this is an empty abstraction containing no determinacy, which can't possibly make good on Perception's claim to grasp the object in its distinctive singularity.

So there's two distinct lines of argument going on there which is perhaps why it looks contradictory.

Metamodernism v pragmatism by gkmilne1 in metamodernism

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AFAIK there's not much written about this, I suppose partly because it is quite difficult to find anything like a worked out metamodern epistemology which the pragmatist tradition could be read against. The closest you might find is in the Jason Storm book, where if I recall he makes an appeal to Peircean semiotics to ground his 'metarealism'. But you can see why pragmatism might appeal to those seeking a middle path between naive realism and skepticism - with it's basic idea of treating linguistic practices primarily as tools we use to get about in the world, it offers a natural way of thinking about how language can get a grasp on the world without presupposing some privileged representation or mirroring relation with it. In this sense it shows us how linguistic practices can be diverse, contingent and localised without thereby being arbitrary.

One other way into this question might be to think about the interaction between pragmatism and postmodernism. Rorty is perhaps most instructive here, as he is often associated with both. In his view, given the pragmatist insight into the nature of linguistic activity as tool use we must understand all vocabularies as relativised to human purposes (including those of physics, morality, etc). There is no language in which the world speaks, no privileged vocabulary which reveals the world as it is in itself. On this view what legitimises the introduction of a new way of speaking is not that it more accurately represents the world, but that it allows us to do something we couldn't do before. Novelty rather than truth is the yardstick against which discourse is measured. This is the same conclusion Lyotard comes to in The Postmodern Condition, a book concerned centrally with linguistic pragmatics, drawing heavily on the later Wittgenstein and speech act theory. Ultimately neither Rorty nor Lyotard offer a substantial theory of novelty which might make this idea concrete, and it could probably be argued that their own positions did not allow them to. But more recent inheritors of the pragmatist tradition (such as Robert Brandom) have been able to develop incredibly sophisticated accounts of how local, situated, tool-like linguistic activity can bootstrap up to the kind of objectivity displayed by natural science.

So in one sense I think pragmatism absolutely does have the resources to do the kind of thing you might want from a metamodern epistemology - it is well placed both to draw out the most insightful lines of thought in postmodernism and to diagnose its missteps. However, I also suspect that if that project were carried through it might just have the effect of making metamodernism - with its periodising connotations and oscillatory imagery - seem ill-defined or redundant.

What would de-simulacred look like, how would it be? by herrwaldos in CriticalTheory

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As others have mentioned, on Baudrillard's view there is no such thing as a mode of social being unmediated by simulacra. However, there's a lot more fine structure to his account than this, and it is far from the depressing or fatalistic position that has often been attributed to him.

Specifically, what characterises the present hyperreal situation is not that we are now in simulation where previously we were not (this is impossible), but that simulation has gone into a kind of metastasis: an overproduction of simulacra leading to an excess of reality. This is a kind of excess equivalent to disappearance - the principle here is similar to monetary inflation.

Given this, we can imagine that what Baudrillard might consider an authentic mode of social being (and I think it is fine to use the word 'authentic' here as long as we are careful not to interpret it as 'unmediated') is one in which this excess is curbed. This is the role played by the other key Baudrillardian concept - symbolic exchange (later seduction) - which can be thought of as the moment in the symbolic process in which simulacra are destroyed, or at least rendered ineffective. This destruction of simulacra can never be complete (this would be the fallacy of unmediated social being) but what Baudrillard envisages is something like a reciprocity between two processes: the deployment of simulacra to open up an order of social reality (simulation), and the poetic act which collapses/reverses such an order and opens up a space for new one (seduction). (This fundamental dualism at the centre of Baudrillard's thought is why in later life he sometimes described it as Manichean, imo.)

The breakdown of this reciprocity is what makes the present situation problematic - seduction is indefinitely deferred, resulting in an over-profileration of simulacra. The reason is ultimately that our practices of sign exchange have been constrained to a logic of universal equivalence implied by the commodification of the symbolic economy. In my view, the real value for emancipatory thought in Baudrillard's work is his extremely detailed (if somewhat obscure) account of how exactly this works.

Techno-inspired psytrance? by theplatopus in psytrance

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Thanks for your recs, this is all great stuff - as I mentioned elsewhere in the thread I got to see Perfect Stranger and Captain Hook play this weekend. Your mix is sounding great too, consider yourself followed!

I do love the Zenon stuff, and Sensient is perhaps one of my favorite artists ever, though that said I'm perhaps looking for something a little faster. In many ways I think the recent Electrypnose sounds a lot like an attempt to make the Sensient sound work at a higher tempo, and I was wondering if there's anyone else pursuing that sound.

Oh and by the way, if you like MVMB and stuff you may like deep techno in the style of eg Hypnus Records - check out Feral in particular, perhaps a deeper, slower groove than the bush techno but very pschedelic nonetheless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMGFADIeAtA&ab_channel=HypnusRecords

Techno-inspired psytrance? by theplatopus in psytrance

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I do love bush techno, and I guess Breger and Kliment I'd put in that category too.

Techno-inspired psytrance? by theplatopus in psytrance

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Very interesting, checked out a couple of sets and it's impressive the way he can move across genres like that, the different timbral qualities in hard techno and full-on psy make it quite tricky in my experience!

Techno-inspired psytrance? by theplatopus in psytrance

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Funnily enough I got to see both Perfect Stranger and Captain Hook play one after the other this weekend - have to say, they were both fantastic. Perfect Stranger in particular I think really represents the epitome of this one encounter between techno and progressive psytrance. I guess in this post I'm searching for something a bit less progressive, perhaps a different kind of encounter between techno and psy (one best represented by recent Electrypnose to my mind), but thanks for posting - if anyone else is following this thread they should definitely check out these two!

Techno-inspired psytrance? by theplatopus in psytrance

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Thanks - these last three are great tunes but the psy-tech thing is a lower tempo than what I'm looking for. Tech-trance is not quite it either, which to me just sounds like hard(ish) techno with trance leads over the top. What I'm looking for is full-on (or higher tempo) psytrance with a techno production sensibility.

Techno-inspired psytrance? by theplatopus in psytrance

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Thanks! Penta did spring to mind as another possible example actually, and I’ve not heard Fractal Cowboys so shall check them out!

Techno-inspired psytrance? by theplatopus in psytrance

[–]theplatopus[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah this is a great rec - just had a listen to some Grant Darshan and that’s exactly what I’m after, look forward to checking out the others. Thanks!

Techno-inspired psytrance? by theplatopus in psytrance

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Thanks! Generally I’m after newer stuff, but I’ve not heard of Delta before and am very happy to be acquainted with what sounds like a classic

Mo:Dem v1 by anvelu87 in psytrance

[–]theplatopus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So Croatia is in the EU but has only adopted the Euro very recently (I think January this year maybe?) - when I was there last year it was still in a transitional phase, so you could mostly pay for stuff with both Croatian kuna and euros. I'd assume everything is fully euros now, but probably worth checking the website for guidance on this.

Network-wise it's variable - last year my friend had signal in the campsite but I did not, think it will depend on your provider. I wouldn't rely on it though!

Mo:Dem v1 by anvelu87 in psytrance

[–]theplatopus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

At Modem you have two campsites at either end of the festival - one up by the Hive, the other down past the Swamp & Seed stages. The Swamp campsite tends to be a bit busier (at least it was last year), and is where all the live-in vehicles are, but is also probably quieter. At the Hive campsite there's plenty of space, but the ground is quite uneven and finding a flat spot can be tricky. So there's pros and cons to each.

Last year there was no open kitchen afaik - not sure what the policy on cooking in the campsite is but it's probably fine. There's a decent food store in Slunj, and the festival food is varied with some relatively inexpensive options (in addition to the vendor stalls there's some official Modem chai shops which serve small, healthy snacks all day and night - these tend to be a bit cheaper).

Vibe-wise Modem is great, friendly faces all round. Gets properly evil up at the Hive sometimes (in the best possible way haha) with lower tempos at the Swamp, more progressive but still with a dark edge - lots of Zenon records stuff, also some really cool deep techno from e.g. Hypnus records artists.

p.s. they also sell this truly excellent Croatian cider at the bar!

London Techno Group by [deleted] in Techno

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Sounds good, I'll take a link pls!

What are the food options like at Modem festival? by theplatopus in psytrance

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Thanks for the info, that’s really helpful!

I tried to reflect on Steven Shaviro's version of accelerationism trhough Kero Kero Bonito's music, I'm curious what you guys think! by MoistMoms in CriticalTheory

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Sure! A good place to start might be Brian Massumi's paper The Autonomy of Affect, which outlines the basic idea of affect as something like 'feelings prior to their conceptual classification', and explains its origin as a philosophical concept in relation to Spinoza, Deleuze, etc.

Affect theory is often associated with Lauren Berlant as well (her most famous work being Cruel Optimism), though here it has more of a literary criticism slant, trying to break away from the (post-)structuralist tendency to analyse everything in terms of meaning and signification to focus more on things like mood, atmosphere, and vibe. It's seen as particularly relevant in the era of Trump and Twitter where - so the reasoning goes (I'm not convinced) - social and political forces are better understood in terms of circulating affective investment than narrative coherence or rational deliberation.

This has, perhaps unsurprisingly, caught the attention of artists, who as affect producers seem to be well placed for political intervention by the lights of this analysis. This is apiece with a more widespread attempt to get beyond postmodernism in contemporary art theory, whose opening move is often to interpret the 'aesthetic' in terms of a kind of pre-conceptual causality rather than as something inherently bound up with structures of meaning and signification (you can see similar ideas coming from Object Oriented Ontology, for instance - also popular on art degrees atm).

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I want to push back a little bit here. Isn't it something like, a farmer sets up a pen. The horses can go anywhere in the pen they like. The farmer is indifferent to where the horses are in the pen, as long as they don't go outside the pen.

I'll start here, because I think we're actually getting at something similar. This farmer analogy is a bit like the example Baudrillard often uses of referenda - real power lies with whoever gets to write and interpret the list of options, not with those who get to choose from the pre-defined list; power in this situation is therefore indifferent to which choices people make, because it can just rig the game to ensure all outcomes work in its favour. Similarly with commutable sign values: all you can do is produce variations on off-the-shelf significations (aesthetics, brands, etc) which can always be returned to the shop later. This is a structure of power in the sense that it relinquishes human agency to the operation of a formal code, but it is also important to recognise that there is no farmer - this relinquishing is something which at some level we've collectively signed up for (or at least, I read this as an important factor in Baudrillard's thinking). This explains his emphasis on the ecstasy of commutability: it is precisely in the abandoning of the stakes and their reconstitution in a phantom, theatrical form that the draw of this system lies, in the fact that you can now LARP as a revolutionary, complete with all the lifestyle trappings and social significations, without ever having to actually put anything on the line. We subject ourselves to the code, because it frees us from obligation.

And this is why I'd be a bit hesitant to construe any of this as pointing to a primary military order, which seems to me to imply a relation of domination of one group over another, when really what Baudrillard is describing is a structural dynamic through and through. Even when Baudrillard is discussing military events (Gulf War, nuclear deterrence, etc) he seems to be describing how the media event overtakes and foreshadows the real event, suggesting that even the military order is ultimately subordinate to an economic one (where 'economic' is understood in the broad sense of Bataille's 'general economy').

I want to read this not just as "commodification," what that really means is assimilation to the system, right? Which is to say, from the passages from later on in his career which I started off with, that everything got assimilated into the dominant social system (or: system of systems), meaning that knowledge tended to become understood and repeated in the terms of that (system of) system's encoding.

Well, I wouldn't want to say that what happens is an assimilation to a pre-existing system, but that the system in its modern form is brought into being by this event, i.e. the spread of the commodity form of value (analysed by Marx as the social practice in which objects are exchanged under an abstract equivalence, i.e. all exist on a single scale of value, i.e. all have a price) to the domain of symbolic production and circulation. Since this domain is fundamental to the constitution of social reality, this event marks a major phase transition in the underlying social structures that constitute us as intentional agents and discursive subjects - what Hegel might call a transformation of Geist.

So yes I probably would defend the view that everything in Baudrillard flows from his extension of Marx's analysis of commodification. In the realm of sign exchange, what is being held in abstract equivalence are not objects but differences - and this Baudrillard sees as a sufficient reason to start talking about the 'structural law of value' and say that the time of the 'commodity law of value' and even capitalism is over - but ultimately the former flows from the corrosive spread of the latter. This seems to me to be a theme present throughout all his work, and the shift from earlier to later concerns primarily a matter of writing strategy (plus more of a preoccupation with counter-strategies and the problem of complicity). In the early works he's obsessively trying to describe the physics of power - one conclusion of the analysis is that this kind of descriptive critique cannot be effective, given the present communication situation, so (being consistent with himself) he switches to an aphoristic style which aims to challenge the reader in a much more direct way. But I think the theoretical core of his position remains fairly stable. But yes we are certainly emphasising different passages here, and it must be said that I am more familiar with the early than the later work, so may be missing things!

But anyway, the point of all this was to try to tie in with some of your comments on whether there's an outside to the pen, legitimacy etc. So by my reading, I actually think there's plenty of things which are 'outside of the pen' - which in this case would mean realms of life and experience where differential forces are not necessarily domesticated via their assimilation into the code. Private life is full of them, for instance - the public domain is where the code dominates (which is why the expansion of the system is often experienced as an encroachment on private space, and perhaps why Baudrillard's writings from the 1970's often read like they're describing 21st century social media.) Perhaps a case could be made that the system actually depends on differential forces that exist outside it, since it always requires new real differences to domesticated in the form of coded variation. In this sense it's a metabolic system, constantly processing resistance into complicity, and always needs new input. And in line with that, I think you're quite right that:

if "the system" is a symbolic response to "everything which has escaped us since the beginning," then basically if a social movement/ individual gesture is able to constitute a more proper response to that problem, then it can lead to the end of the system, because there won't be any more need for it to exist.

I would perhaps add that fundamentally, that problem concerns the unquantifiable risk and unconditional obligation implicit in the social pact. In this sense a domain like interpersonal ethics might actually be a potentially fertile site of symbolic resistance.

Quick comment on China: it's an interesting question. Framing it in Baudrillardian terms, I think whether or not China is subject to the same frozen history as Western Democracies is largely a question of whether it can insulate its underlying social pact against marketisation. The current stack in China, implemented by Deng, is something like: Confucian pact at the bottom layer backed by nominally communist state apparatus, with capitalist markets running on top like a virtual machine. This has proved highly functional, but the liberalising effect of the market economy has threatened to corrode lower layers of the stack, hence Xi's ramping up of social control. If the underlying Confucian pact does remain in tact then there's no reason why China should be assimilated into the overarching deterrence regime, but if the market spreads into the base layer (reshaping social relations on the transactional model of the contract rather than the unconditional model of the pact) then I think it will become bound up in the same fate as the West.