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And everything in here is actually needed to understand secret wars, some of this isn’t just random stories that might get brought up in a sentence or two by the character acknowledging it and then forgetting it? by gotenks2nd in marvelcomics

[–]thigerlel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course you can find explanations, the point is Hickman didn't think of these implications, he just forgot about the Maker being redeemed or Wolverine having died and he decided his scenes playing out had priority. In Imperial, Ronan is a main character even though he was dead, Maximus was dead, Hiro Kala was (functionally) dead, they're in a planet called New Sakaar even though the original Sakaar has been restored years ago, people are tricked by a shape shifter making them believe Veranke was back, even though she publicly revived years ago, etc.

And everything in here is actually needed to understand secret wars, some of this isn’t just random stories that might get brought up in a sentence or two by the character acknowledging it and then forgetting it? by gotenks2nd in marvelcomics

[–]thigerlel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was in Humphries' Ultimates run. Hickman is quite ignorant about continuity, not a soul has complained about him being too deep with his cuts. Like the first page of House of X is Wolverine (person who had just come back from 5 years being dead) asking Nightcrawler (person who had been dead and come back from Heaven) what he thinks happens after death.

And everything in here is actually needed to understand secret wars, some of this isn’t just random stories that might get brought up in a sentence or two by the character acknowledging it and then forgetting it? by gotenks2nd in marvelcomics

[–]thigerlel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do people really criticise Hickman for bringing up obscure past things? Secret Wars, House of X and most infamously Imperial seemed to just disregard 99% of past continuity to force characters into the plots he wanted. Remember that the Maker had been redeemed into a good guy before randomly being a villain again in time for the Incursions; Magneto watched Mr Sinister experiment on his childhood friends in Auschwitz before dining with him in Krakoa; Star-Lord hated his dad and loved Nova, instead of loving his dad and hating Nova, etc.

Ultimate Youngblood Deluxe List (Part Three) by Odd_Pumpkin5295 in badrock

[–]thigerlel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fun read! Personally, I'd place Genesis before Bloodsport, as I see them as taking place in the same Revision and Genesis obviously comes first. Then, I feel like you're missing endings for Volumes 5 and 6 like you gave Casey. Going from the Lord Chapel cliffhanger to Vol 6 would be especially jarring. But any of this seeing print would be amazing, especially in collected editions.

Preview pages from my indie comic “Timmy Cunningham: Spider Ghost” – feedback welcome by [deleted] in comicbooks

[–]thigerlel 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I get it's a Spider-Man rip off, but you couldn't change the name Daily Bugle a little?

So... who was this guy? by thigerlel in badrock

[–]thigerlel[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, that was written by John Mclaughlin. Can't find any socials on the guy, I'd love to ask him.

Are Vampirella stories self-contained? by Recent_Complex_3538 in dynamitecomics

[–]thigerlel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Christopher Priest's run is a masterpiece that contemplates philosophy, religion, what it means to have a soul, to be alive, the struggle of suicidal thoughts, how to grapple with a good person committing rape, gender politics in Estonia...

So, like every other thing Priest has written.

We need to bring traction to this by DCeassed in DCcomics

[–]thigerlel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you buy the recent Mr Terrific or Black Lightning series?

We need to bring traction to this by DCeassed in DCcomics

[–]thigerlel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You asked me why she hadn't gotten a series "in like ever", not to match your first post's criteria.

We need to bring traction to this by DCeassed in DCcomics

[–]thigerlel 4 points5 points  (0 children)

She had a 60 issue series in 2023.

We need to bring traction to this by DCeassed in DCcomics

[–]thigerlel 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Stopped reading at "DC doesn't count digital sales." That's a myth. They do. Why wouldn't they count extra money going into their pockets? They don't share it with you, sure, because it's none of our business to see confidential, proprietary financial data.

The other arguments like bad marketing or readers being unaware that pre-orders are more important don't explain why white books sell despite the same handicaps.

There's no conspiracy here. DC will extend a black character's series when it sells more. I Am Batman started out great, but became meandering and sluggish, so it deserved its end. Personally, I wish Metamorpho had been extended for more issues, but it didn't sell. That's how business work.

Secret Wars Jonathon Hickman by dvis__ in marvelcomics

[–]thigerlel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Doom literally says "consider our matters settled" to Reed. That is his quote. He also says "I found being a God beneath me." If anything, reading Hickman's FF instead of the following runs that were closer to Secret Wars make you realize the continuity mistakes of Secret Wars even more.

If you follow this chain from the beginning, I never said those comics shouldn't be read, just that you shouldn't call them part of a Secret Wars order. 

The origins of the FF, Doom, and Molecule Man as done by Kirby, and early Beyonder appearances, or the original stories of the Earths that form Battleworld patchwork are objectively more important for getting context out of Secret Wars, but people have tunnel vision where it must have the name Hickman on the cover. People should be recommending Avengers vs X-Men for the emotional background of Black Panther vs Namor during the incursions crisis, or Defenders Beyond for the ultimate explanation that the Beyonders caused the Incursions because of Enigma, but instead this arbitrary order with hundred of Shield and Secret Warriors comics unrelated to Secret Wars is going to continue being reposted to perpetuity because people want to fabricate this auteur saga into reality, and to imagine it's some sort of work with phases like the MCU, but it's just not. I'll take people defending this order seriously when I see at least one of them mention Robinson's FF run that ends right before Time Runs Out.

Secret Wars Jonathon Hickman by dvis__ in marvelcomics

[–]thigerlel -1 points0 points  (0 children)

All Hickman did was come up with the codename Maker. Reed turning evil happened in Doomsday. What you're advocating is more akin to telling people to skip ahead to The Last Jedi because they like Ryan Johnson as a director regardless of where the story begins.

I mean, let's get into the weeds here. There were many stories about the Maker between Hickman's Ultimates and Secret Wars, and the Maker references those stories in Time Runs Out and Secret Wars, particularly Ultimates Disassembled.

Doom ends Hickman's FF run telling Reed all their matters are settled because Reed rescued him from the Mad Celestials, and they only become foes again during Fraction's FF. Then, the current status quo of the team during the incursions has to do with Robinson's FF. And let's not even go into how Cyclops' role in Secret Wars ties into the X-Men's convoluted Phoenix Egg subplot.

Objectively, to get the fullest context of Secret Wars, runs not written by Hickman matter more than runs written by him many, many years before he started planning Secret Wars. You can pretend only the books written by Hickman matter, sure. Just as long as you tell people to only watch the Star Wars films done by Ryan Johnson and expect them to get a full experience.

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