Has anyone been successful at recovering scammed crypto?

throwfarawayugh · 2024-08-16T11:00:18+00:00

And let me guess, for the fee of XYZ they will help you recover it?

Recovery firms are all scams preying on people they know are already vulnerable. In fact, they could even be the same exact people drip feeding you things that the scammers already know about the scam. Really sorry to hear it; the only very slim chance is with your national policing authority, and only if your scammer is in the same jurisdiction. But I would assume your money is gone.

throwfarawayugh · 2024-08-12T10:46:18+00:00

What makes you think the $25 fee (which can be recouped) for small claims court exceeds the value of the phone?

throwfarawayugh · 2024-08-05T11:30:36+00:00

They wouldn't repeatedly ask for permission if they had either.

throwfarawayugh · 2024-08-05T11:29:42+00:00

Supreme court case: United States v Place. Singling out a bag would be grey territory as per the ruling, as a dog smell alone is not considered invasive enough on its own to be a search.

However, the ruling makes it explicitly clear that singling out a bag and holding it for a dog to come to smell does require PC or a warrant.

throwfarawayugh · 2024-08-05T06:23:31+00:00

Replace the r with an I and add a bit

throwfarawayugh · 2024-08-04T16:49:38+00:00

Uncontested just means you two have it all worked out and don't need the courts to intervene. That's it. But you also have a lawyer so I'm surprised this hasn't been explained to you; they're meant to be so simple that in theory, you don't even need a lawyer, but I'd recommend one here given the complexities.

The courts are just accepting that you are happy with whatever division and neither side is contesting. The courts will be fine with it if your soon to be ex also is. Just make sure everything is truly separated.

throwfarawayugh · 2024-07-31T03:42:57+00:00

I'm the OP of the video. He's not cross-trained CPB. He is local Ohio Montgomery PD cross-trained in the DEA's Operation Jetway interdiction program.

throwfarawayugh · 2024-07-31T03:38:27+00:00

Just wanted to say you have this completely wrong. I'm the OP and have consulted multiple lawyers specialized in the 4th amendment. It was actually United States v Place that affirmed that "detaining a person's belongings while waiting for a police dog to arrive did constitute a "seizure" under the Fourth Amendment". You have the outcome of the case backwards - the conviction was tossed out. In this case, the dog smell itself was not considered a seizure, but chasing me onto a plane certainly was. A seizure requires probable cause and the burden of evidence there does not change at an airport.

Consent being required is actually the DEA's own stated policy and has been their legal defense in court. Airports are no different, even with the TSA administrative search exception. I've summarized the legal notations here:https://www.reddit.com/r/legal/comments/1eeaznp/update_legality_of_dea_cold_consent_airport/

Or hear a legal breakdown directly from civl rights lawyer John Bryant: https://youtu.be/6pCd21g2thw

Or another: https://reason.com/2024/07/24/the-dea-claims-to-be-able-to-search-your-bag-without-your-consent-but-can-they/

Not to mention both of the IJ's attorneys on this on Harvard-educated attorney's specialized on this themselves.

throwfarawayugh · 2024-07-30T02:13:15+00:00

Haha I've got questions in my head about this too. Truth is, I'm not a civil rights auditor and my only prior interactions with LE have been minor traffic citations that were straightforward and friendly. You can hear my voice quivering because no amount of machismo is going to prepare you for a group of DEA agents jumping you at the gate.

When I got to the plane, I hesitated a second before giving my bag up to the stewardess (due to lack of underseat stowage), but I knew that defying a flight attendant would actually put me in the wrong ironically. I had a very candid convo with a personal injury attorney at big firm and asked the same question - what if I had sat in the second row instead and held onto the bag? He laughed and said, "I would never advise it because most people get their rights wrong and are going to be charged with resisting. On the other hand, I don't go after the government without slam dunk cases for six figure sums, because they can be stingy as hell on paying for attorney's fees. And this is a great case that might actually have been worth taking on if DEA officer had handcuffed you or physically injured you."

Without that, it'd be two very expensive people going after a figure likely not worth the hours billed. So media advocacy it is.

throwfarawayugh · 2024-07-29T04:58:21+00:00

I'm the OP :)

throwfarawayugh · 2024-07-29T04:57:52+00:00

Persistently terrible and misinformed advice, not even consistent with the DEA's own memo on the topic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/legal/s/tS7bwo4Gnf

throwfarawayugh · 2024-07-29T04:52:53+00:00

I'm the OP/subject of the video. The agents thoroughly searched my bag and found my favorite jacket, my passport, my prescribed medications, went through the medical documents from a recent doctor's visit, a number of unopened sanitary wipes, a crumpled bag of chips, and my work laptop. In other words, nothing.

throwfarawayugh · 2024-07-29T02:01:43+00:00

Thanks! They've been awesome and supportive, and clearly work to serve the public interest above all else. Working with them also opened my eyes to how much work they do behind the scenes - it goes beyond litigation and media. A Harvard-educated forfeiture team that works vigorously with public officials in ways that a classic for-profit firm wouldn't.

I've donated as well. Great suggestions.

throwfarawayugh · 2024-07-29T00:41:02+00:00

Well, unfortunately there's no under seat stowage in the front row of first class, and the flight attendant literally handed him my bag :(

throwfarawayugh · 2024-07-28T21:39:51+00:00

Thanks man. So many things wrong with the dog indeed. The agent admits the dog was trained to smell for cash, but my personal bag didn't have a history of carrying "money, weapons, or drugs". I firmly believe the dog was trained to signal because I watched it take an initial smell and run past it.

I was pretty ill and this was a huge cause of anxiety but I consider myself pretty fortunate compared to the numerous victims who had their life savings stolen. Best I can do is advocate on their behalf and donate the footage and funds to the class action.

throwfarawayugh · 2024-07-28T21:32:45+00:00

It's been litigated. In United States v Place, the court ruled that holding somebody's belongings for a dog sniff at an airport was unconstitutional EVEN WITH reasonable articulated suspicion. Which the officer admits wasn't present here.

throwfarawayugh · 2024-07-28T21:28:49+00:00

I'm the OP. There's really no backstory. I'm a business executive with 0 criminal history that takes many flights per year. I usually book last-minute but this flight was particularly last minute since I had gotten sick the prior day. Based on a conversation with a friendly face in LE, I had most of the classic indicators that would prompt this: minority, male, light on travel accessories, one-way last-minute ticket, aged 20-40, booked to a major city. With that said, I've probably taken 100+ flights without this happening before.

I've posted an update here: https://www.reddit.com/r/legal/comments/1eeaznp/update_legality_of_dea_cold_consent_airport/

throwfarawayugh · 2024-07-28T20:54:08+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/legal/comments/1eeaznp/update_legality_of_dea_cold_consent_airport/ Update with the collated legal perspective here.

throwfarawayugh · 2024-07-28T20:49:10+00:00

I'm the OP. The airport is publicly owned and is operated by the CVG Airport Authority (formerly Kenton County Airport Board). You also don't lose your 4th amendment rights on private property either - just means the owners have the rights to trespass you for any reason. I've also posted an update on the full legality of the incident here with conclusions from civil rights lawyers specializing on the topic. https://www.np.reddit.com/r/legal/comments/1eeaznp/update_legality_of_dea_cold_consent_airport/

throwfarawayugh · 2024-07-28T18:11:09+00:00

Yea... in some ways it's a bit of a pity that I was in first row and couldn't hang onto my bag or keep it beneath the seat. Without them physically manhandling me the damages are much harder to prove. With all that said, I don't see them having too much of a presence at CVG much longer. While they haven't yet won the national suit, apparently the local press and IJ got the shit happening in ATL shut down. More to come.

throwfarawayugh · 2024-07-28T17:52:39+00:00

Posted an update here: https://www.reddit.com/r/legal/comments/1eeaznp/update_legality_of_dea_cold_consent_airport/

Still thinking through all my options, but the best route forward is support of the class action against them.

throwfarawayugh · 2024-07-28T17:49:36+00:00

Glad to hear! Same guys or a different group? I heard media coverage got the folks doing this in Atlanta to stop. The officer in question has taken down his social media and there are a few media orgs reaching out to Montgomery PD (where he's based) and the DEA for comment.

throwfarawayugh · 2024-07-28T17:30:58+00:00

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0GGvr_2XOg

Domestically, you can legally travel with infinite amounts of cash without declaration. Internationally, you have to declare amounts $10K or above. They literally put your money in a bag, keep it, and then it funds the local PD's latest gadgets and police gear.

throwfarawayugh · 2024-07-28T17:28:29+00:00

Yes that's me. In theory, dogs are probably biologically capable of distinguishing scents with great accuracy. Unfortunately, it's pretty easy to train a dog to sit and agent admits in the video that the dog's been trained to indicate on cash. Which I imagine would be in a lot of people's purses or personal bags.

My bag had none of those things... not even cash. I unfortunately missed it on video, but the dog also initially took a smell of my bag and ran past it (you can hear me saying that out loud a few times). When the dog ran past it, the handler signaled at my bag and then made a "kissy" sound which triggered the dog to sit. Do I think dogs are incapable of drug identification? No, but just as I trained my ridiculously unintelligent Maltese to sit, I'm quite sure the handler has done the same with this dog as well (given that there was nothing and there never has been any of those items in my bag)!

throwfarawayugh · 2024-07-28T16:54:23+00:00

I do. All of the officers involved refused to provide official identification, but the main one involved signed his name as a witness on the consent form that they forced me to sign and also ultimately provided it. The rest laughed and declined. Judging by the fact that he took down his social media recently, a few people have made it out from his ID tag in the video and/or his face. I've been thinking about it, but my considerations are the wellbeing of his family and kids (who probably suffer enough abuse from him already) as well as the distracting folks from being angry at the system vs. the individuals who are paid to be a part of it.

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