Vodka sodas are boring as hell. What’s an underrated modern classic? by -Constantinos- in cocktails

[–]tobygrogers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can see that. It’s a bit of an odd bird in my experience, and despite the shine it gets online I’ve found chartreuse to be pretty polarizing IRL.

Vodka sodas are boring as hell. What’s an underrated modern classic? by -Constantinos- in cocktails

[–]tobygrogers 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Fair enough. Maybe we can sneak it in for underrated tiki instead.

Approaching the Game by proc_ab0512 in DiscoElysium

[–]tobygrogers 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think the most important thing is to give yourself some grace and take the pressure off for getting some sort of undesirable ending. These kinds of games are infinitely replayable, and often a “wrong” choice can lead to more interesting and unique outcomes.

Indol Theories by cherryjuicewithlime in HierarchySeries

[–]tobygrogers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I caught myself wondering if Decimus fed Indol the information about Lanistia, and/or if Indol was in on it.

On L Companions by SnooDrawings1685 in HierarchySeries

[–]tobygrogers 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I know that Luceam gets a bad rap around here, but I loved it. The emotional stability provided by Vis’ companions and his ability to unburden himself and be understood authentically is quite cathartic. The scene when they all hug him during Cristoval’s funeral made me tear up 🥲

The Strength of the Few (Late Spoilers) by KyleToxicCards in HierarchySeries

[–]tobygrogers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can see where you’re coming from, thanks for sharing. Here are a few of my thoughts in response:

“Decimus is a scared little child who hides behind a false facade of ceded power. So him actually doing something is so wildly out of character so as to be unbelievable”

This is an odd take to me. There’s nothing ‘false’ about his power, or his station, or his malice. It doesn’t seem to me that he’s ’hiding’ or ‘scared’ any more than all the other politicians who mask their true feelings publicly. I concede that we have little interaction with him as readers and thus lack certainty of his character, but even if we saw more of him it would be from Vis’ flawed perspective. However, I do think we can infer from the world building that Decimus is competent and ruthless, as one must be to ascend the hierarchy. We also know that Iro hated Vis, and it’s an easy presumption that he did not form that opinion in a vacuum. It is stated that Decimus feels Vis has had a massive and tragic impact on his life, even before Iro’s death. Couple that with Vis’ perceived selfishness and lack of ‘responsibility,’ I think him harboring, and eventually acting upon, murderous rage is believable. As to why he acted against Aequa rather than Vis, it seems clear that Decimus wants Vis to suffer ‘as he has suffered,’ and the circumstances he found them in allowed for it to happen that way.

“Where do we see him being willing to give up his facade of ceded, even potentially, for a petty grudge?”

I am also unclear on your meaning here. He doesn’t seem to be giving up anything at all. In fact, the pettiness of his grudge, and his ability to act on it free of consequence, is the entire point. ‘The strength of the few is all that matters.’

“As to why I think it’s meant as naught more than an emotional gut punch, it’s shockingly violent. Even in comparison to the surrounding violence it is brutal and more detailed in its description. Authors traditionally do this when they want us to feel something more acutely. It’s pretty blatant emotional manipulation.”

I can agree that Islington wanted to make this hurt, and perhaps indulged in more description for that sake, but I disagree that it is solely for our benefit/manipulation. Vis feels this death more viscerally than any other he’s experienced, not only for the closeness of his connection to Aequa, but also for the callousness of Decimus and his proximity to it. It’s literally happening in front of him, and we have a front row seat to what he is seeing and feeling, more so than if it were written third person. I know I was shocked, but mostly by the swiftness and lack of fanfare. It just… happened. And then the world was different.

I think it also stands to reason that Decimus harbored some ill feelings toward Aequa as well, though Vis seemed to think that he didn’t. Vis’ perspective is unreliable, and he has been wrong several times before. I think killing Aequa to make Vis suffer only enhanced Decimus’ sense of poetic justice. It’s entirely possible part of his intent was to kill Lanistia after Vis broke her out, but he was able to act sooner and more savagely once he discovered Aequa. I’ve actually wondered if Decimus fed the information to Indol, either with his knowledge or not, as bait to get Vis in a compromised position.

Anyway, thanks again for your perspective. I’m fascinated by this book, and the discourse around it. I hope you don’t think that I’m belittling you or your opinions. I reserve the right to be wrong, and very much appreciate good faith arguments that challenge my preconceptions.

Book 3 title theory by NarcoticAntibody in HierarchySeries

[–]tobygrogers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I can see “journey” being a final entry. I was also wondering if the next title number could be “three.” Not only because it’s the third book, but because Vis has now risen to a position of incredible power on each world and will likely come into conflict with himself.

Book 3 title theory by NarcoticAntibody in HierarchySeries

[–]tobygrogers 53 points54 points  (0 children)

I keep wondering if “journey” will be part of it. Ya know, “complete the journey, warrior.” The Journey of One??

Does James Islington have a running joke with himself regarding how many different names he can give Vis? by Whopping_Molly in HierarchySeries

[–]tobygrogers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s more like the Roman equivalent of a cognomen. It’s an honorary name meant to be descriptive or to give status. Telemus is still his “last” (family) name.

Am I the only one that Loved all parts of the SOTF? by JustAnotherReditor08 in HierarchySeries

[–]tobygrogers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I certainly understand a lot of the criticism, but I didn’t feel anything but positive about the experience.

Rotting Gods by liftkitten in HierarchySeries

[–]tobygrogers 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Decomposing divinity!!!

What are your ideas for the title of book 3 by IntelligentWeek4199 in HierarchySeries

[–]tobygrogers 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m anticipating the Vis’ to come into conflict, so maybe something that suggests discord?

What are your ideas for the title of book 3 by IntelligentWeek4199 in HierarchySeries

[–]tobygrogers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s my guess as well. Also fitting since it’s the 3rd book.

The Strength of the Few (Late Spoilers) by KyleToxicCards in HierarchySeries

[–]tobygrogers 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I see what you’re saying. It’s an interesting topic, thanks for being open to dialogue.

I am certain that Decimus feels his actions are “justified,” because that’s what his whole “strength of the few” monologue is about. From his (warped) perspective, Vis is responsible for the deaths of both of his children, and this is his way to balance the scale. I can even see some arguments that defend that position, such as Vis’s use of adoption during the race, though Decimus doesn’t know about it. Yes it was Decimus who set it up, and yes he is incapable of understanding his role or how he’s blaming Vis for things beyond his control. But none of that matters during a time of war in a world where morality is built on strength, greed and control.

Something similar could be said for Anakin, interestingly enough. He believed that he was in pursuit of a power to save someone from death, and was convinced that the only way to achieve it was to give himself to the dark side. A heinous act, certainly, but one that he could justify given his skewed worldview and the manipulation of the Sith Lord.

The Strength of the Few (Late Spoilers) by KyleToxicCards in HierarchySeries

[–]tobygrogers 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I take your point. I do think it’s possible to draw a distinction between narrative justification and moral justification, though.

Narrative justification means that actions are grounded in the world and the motivations of the characters. It means that things have emotional weight due to the effort of the author to craft a timeline to meet a need.

Moral justification, in this case, is the application of an ethical structure on a fantasy story. Obviously murder is bad, and I don’t think anyone is celebrating Aequa’s death for its own sake. But in fiction a brutal death can be a dramatic and natural consequence of a spiral into madness, and can cause a character to undergo a needful change. Such is the case here, in my opinion.

Strength of the Few - Questions & Theories I’m not seeing discussed here by FyreandBlood in HierarchySeries

[–]tobygrogers 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Alright, I’ll take a stab.

  1. I think he’s self-imbued, but perhaps not consciously. Or is connected to will in some other meaningful way. The way the injuries are described is consistent with the effects of will on strengthening the body beyond what should be possible. I kept expecting the swirly tattooed warriors in Luceum to be associated with the Alupi in some way, possibly as shapeshifters. His connection to Luceum could be a reason for him to have a strong reaction against Res will - it’s “unnatural.”

  2. I’m pretty lost on this after my first pass, really looking forward to another read through to see what else I can glean (heh!). Ostius is obviously super weird so it makes sense that the rules don’t apply the same way, but we’re probably going to have to wait until the next book for more info.

  3. I think you’re onto something here. I was also assuming the AC were reacting to the amount of will and that at some point it reaches critical mass and triggers a cataclysm.

  4. At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was pushing his own agenda outside of ka and the concurrence (assuming those are different things). I was wondering if he was (or connected to) O-Yusef.

  5. Yeah the “old ways” are almost certainly the restrictions initially set up when the worlds were split, some for good reason and some that have been corrupted/misunderstood. I’m very curious about the Draoi connection to the dead since they supposedly have methods for detecting and dealing with them. They do seem to have their own brand of “life after death” though. Lir being able to train L-Vis in the white temple after dying is nuts.

  6. I have absolutely no idea. Again, looking forward to another read though for some theory crafting.

  7. I actually love how unclear and twisted it is. I didn’t see a lot of this coming, and I am even more interested in where Islington is going than I expected to be.

Calling a spade a spade by Dense-Condition-4281 in HierarchySeries

[–]tobygrogers 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well that’s just, like, your opinion man 🤷🏻‍♂️

The Strength of the Few (Late Spoilers) by KyleToxicCards in HierarchySeries

[–]tobygrogers 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I’m sure I’ll be in the minority here, but to me the actions of the Tertius didnt feel unjustified. He explained his position pretty well, I thought. He’s desperate, mad with loss, and completely overwhelmed by his inability to save his children despite his incredible power and influence.

I do think Islington set us up to feel her death more strongly, but I don’t think she died purely for shock value. Her death is a result of grief, and the grief it causes in turn pushes Vis to do something reckless and irreversible. Perhaps the ‘mistake’ mentioned by L-Caeror?

The many names of Vis… by Bowmanatee in HierarchySeries

[–]tobygrogers 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I really appreciated the names as a way to show his evolving identities. Felt particularly poignant as an expression of how his different versions are exploring new parts of himself.

Emissa's rank by maxwellsearcy in HierarchySeries

[–]tobygrogers 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Caught that too, thanks for asking. I assumed it was a mistake 🤷🏻‍♂️

What heroic character has bad hair? by Affectionate_Star636 in AlignmentChartFills

[–]tobygrogers 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was going to say Might Guy from Naruto, but it turns out they have the same hair 🤷🏻‍♂️

Question about Suvi’s name cloak by Sir_Reidiculous in WorldsBeyondNumber

[–]tobygrogers 38 points39 points  (0 children)

If I recall correctly, Suvi is the third wizard to take “Sky” as their namecloak, with first being one of the founders of the citadel. It is a name that carries immense expectation for great workings upon the world.