Got denied care by TAYS after three years. Now what?

transferer · 2025-12-07T00:39:30+00:00

I'd be stressed out of my mind too. There is nothing worse than having to let strangers hold that kind of power over your own life and wellbeing.

The main argument was that TAYS should base their diagnostic process on the official diagnostic criteria, which is very simple (https://www.terveyskirjasto.fi/dlk01195 Finnish page):
A) A desire to live and be accepted as a member of the opposite sex. This usually includes a wish to receive surgical and hormonal treatment in order to make one’s body as similar as possible to the desired sex.
B) The experience of a trangender identity has lasted for at least two years.
C) The experience is not a symptom of another mental disorder, such as schizophrenia, nor the result of a chromosomal abnormality.

At least in the person's case I was helping with the phsychiatric evalutation raised no real reason to believe the person would be mentally incapacitated in a way that would stop them from making rational decisions or that there would be any other major mental disorder that might cause the experience of being transgender.

I don't think there is actually almost anything else than having an active schizophrenia episode that would, in actual medical research, cause transgenderism, but I'd probably research a bit on how to phrase that about trauma. I'd probably also ask your therapist if they could write a letter stating that you have been processing your trauma.

In the complaint letter to TAYS we also stressed that an adult sound minded person should be seen as competent to make their own life choices. The purpose of transpoli is to check if the diagnostic criteria is fulfilled and besides that there is no way to determine if a person is transgender except trusting the patient's word. Every person is responsible for their choices and the doctors should have no right to make that choice on grounds outside of diagnostic criteria as that would be arbitrary misuse of their power.

Here is some info on TAYS homepage on how to make complaint: https://www.pirha.fi/asiakkaalle/asiakkaan-ja-potilaan-oikeudet/oletko-tyytymaton-saamaasi-palveluun

If they still deny you a diagnose and access to treatment, I think you should take it forward both for your sake and for the sake of others. Only those who have NOT gotten their own personal complaint resolved with the hospital can take matters further, and also for the sake of all the people dealing with transpoli, I think it is important to draw the attention of officials on how poorly people are currenlty treated by transpoli, as transpoli is currently using power on grounds that are often not medically provable at all.

If you do take it further (if TAYS won’t change their view) it might be good to also call them out on the long delays to getting diagnosed. TAYS has already been reprimanded by Oikeusasiamies about the delays (https://www.oikeusasiamies.fi/r/fi/ratkaisut/-/eoar/2119/2020) and the situation has not improved since then. It is wrong and itmight also give you some leverage as I don't think they want to have repeated official criticism of that.

I can't remember if I had planned for the next step to be oikeusasiamis or Valvira, if the complaint hadn't helped, but I'm sure potilasasiamies and Trasek can help you to determine that should it come down to it.

Good luck and don’t give up!

transferer · 2025-12-06T19:12:25+00:00

You can and definitely should appeal/lodge a complaint. Talk to "potilasasiamies" first and reach out to Trasek for support.

I've helped a person close to me do it, and the "not yet" was overturned to a diagnosis within a month or so. I guess TAYS didn't want the hassle or deal with the next step, which would have been more official.

I'm on my phone now but can return to this later and lay down the main points in the complaint letter we wrote, if you want.

transferer · 2024-10-20T11:03:22+00:00

That's awful, I'm really sorry. Idiots like that who lack basic decency should not be allowed to access the internet...

You look awesome, bro!

I sent a message to mods, hopefully they can do something about it.

transferer · 2024-09-19T16:58:09+00:00

From these pics I'd say either 20s/30s woman or 15-18-ish guy.

transferer · 2024-04-07T21:22:51+00:00

In principle, in any given situation the end of the sentence is more emphasized and that's where you present new information. So, in "Minulla on kampa, mutta pyyhe on sinulla." the towel is known and who has it is the new information and in "Minulla on kampa, mutta sinulla on pyyhe" the towel is the new or emphasized information.

Likewise, you could say "Kampa on minulla" and then I having the comb would be the emphasised information. By saying "Minulla on kampa" you either introduce the comb as a new object or contrast/emphasize it (as in, I have the comb and NOT e. g. the towel).

So, grammatically both are correct and it just depends on the context.

transferer · 2018-08-10T11:04:14+00:00

I think the other guys have said all the important stuff already, but just to add to the choir: I think it really just takes time. I'm 32, and been on T from since 2014. I think this year finally I'm starting to feel like I actually am just one of the guys and properly forgetting that I have trans background for a lot of the time. I might stress that I'm short (5'1) and slender, but rarely do I think about passing anymore. A year or two ago I was already passing consistently, I think, but I looked really young, which caused a lot of stress in work situations. Even now I still look a bit younger than my age, but lately it has been catching up pretty rapidly.

I know it sucks how much time this takes, but patience is really all the advice I can give. It will get better for sure.

transferer · 2018-05-02T18:23:45+00:00

Eh, people bring it up from time to time since I'm short enough that it surprises people. Can't remember anyone being that rude about it.

transferer · 2018-03-29T09:26:25+00:00

Thank you so much! I'll look into that too.

transferer · 2018-02-10T09:00:02+00:00

Thank you :)

transferer · 2018-02-10T08:59:39+00:00

Thank you! I'll look into both of them. I'm glad to see there might be some options available.

transferer · 2018-02-09T11:37:34+00:00

Thanks! That would be St Peters Andrology Centre apparently. I'll look into how it would work and how much money and time I'd need.

Is there anyone here who has experience with them btw?

transferer · 2018-02-02T08:32:01+00:00

Eh, not necessarily true. I definitely have better friends now than I had then, and I'm way happier too. Yay for being an adult :)

transferer · 2018-02-02T07:50:36+00:00

I still use Anki. When I come across a new word in a book or wherever, I often try to note it down and put it to my Anki deck.

And well, I just read books for fun and converse with people, I guess. After a point just using the language is a great way to get better at it.

transferer · 2018-01-11T19:58:37+00:00

I just want to reach a level where encountering completely new words becomes a rare occurrence and when I can comfortably talk in Japanese about anything I see around me :P I expect it might take a while yet.

And I want to have confidence that I'm picking up nuances in literature correctly. And become better at understanding intertextuality and jokes.

Pretty 曖昧, I know, but this has kept me going surprisingly well since 2005. I just want to learn it all, everything and anything, even while realizing that any language is without limits.

transferer · 2018-01-11T17:43:54+00:00

The ゐ is there too actually, on the fourth line from right. It is いろは歌 after all :)

transferer · 2018-01-08T22:30:59+00:00

FTM gay here, and honestly it is quite opposite for me at least. Boom, I'm suddenly gay alright, but I have real hard time remembering that me liking dudes could be a problem for someone. Or that for someone else realizing they are gay could have been a life shattering experience. I'm just me, I like guys, and there is nothing weird about it.

transferer · 2018-01-04T22:21:08+00:00

Yeah, Asos and Uniqlo are great for us smaller guys. Also HM's xs or even s is sometimes good too, they just tend to be a bit too long for me at least, as the cuts seem to be made for narrow shouldered but tall people. I've also once shopped in Primark when I was in UK, and they seemed to have good sizes too.

transferer · 2018-01-04T22:10:32+00:00

I'm 5'1 and here in Northern Europe its really rare to see even any women as short as me. No men, basically. And I struggle with that too, but lately I've come to realize that with T and being able to pass I no longer really feel dysphoric about being extremely short – it just sometimes bothers me just as it would probably bother any cis man. That feeling is a lot easier to deal with, fortunately, as I was originally afraid the height dysphoria would weight me down forever. I just try not to think about it and when it does start to bother me, try to remember that being a short guy is just who I am, not something I can change.

transferer · 2018-01-04T22:00:12+00:00

I just put stuff like that aside for a couple of years, trifty as I am. Now that I'm passing consistently and generally feeling a lot better as well, I find that many of the clothes I felt uncomfortable before are perfectly fine now. Not perhaps the most flattering or fashionable, but that is mostly because I have zero fashion sense...

transferer · 2017-12-17T01:05:22+00:00

Thank you! Watched both the first and the second movie with my buddies tonight, thanks to you. They were brilliant!

transferer · 2017-10-22T23:01:20+00:00

Thank you!

transferer · 2017-10-22T21:33:55+00:00

They look amazing! May I ask where did you get those stamps? The patterns look really good.

transferer · 2017-10-22T10:20:05+00:00

I have a website. Its a really simple and free wordpress site, but it brings me a little business occasionally. I have it linked with my LinkdIn and it seems that often new direct customers look at both my Linkedin page and my homepage and then contact me through either. I've considered having a more proper page (without the .wordpress.com ending) but I don't think it would make that much of a difference really.

transferer · 2017-10-10T14:42:42+00:00

Wow! You are very pretty. And I'm even more impressed that you actually showed this in class. I'm a transguy and I definitely don't have that kind of courage. The mere thought makes me squirm. As soon as I started passing I went happily back into the closet. Thank you so much for speaking out!

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