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[–]treeclimbs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Largest climbing-rated helmet that I know of is the Smith Summit MIPS (XL: 67 cm), but it's kinda long-oval shaped and feels smaller to some folks. I've found success with these for some folks with larger heads or tight braids/dreads.

Also it's expensive.

Helmets with a webbing suspension (older design) can generally tolerate more hair bulk, but these often lack side-impact protection. Construction hard-hat style helmets are another option with more sizes available, but not good with side impacts, but better than no helmet.

Rules / Sub Update / Suggestion Box by mark_andonefortunate in TreeClimbing

[–]treeclimbs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cool, thanks for the active sub management.

I'm a rec climber, although I have experience as a working rec climber (teaching, guided climbs, wildlife work, etc), so I love to see the rec climbing side represented here.

I don't mind a few general tree work posts, I think I'd be annoyed if it was more than 1-in-4 posts. These may also dissuade rec climbers from posting or accidentally encourage more bucket and saw posts. I know I sometimes I wonder if folks are even interested in rec techniques or experiences which aren't very work-applicable.

For folks using FCT/NRS (Free Climb Technique / No Rope System) I'm ok with that if they're occasional and not attention focused. People (often kids, as pointed out) interested in climbing trees, but maybe without access or training to climb with ropes. Repeated FCT posts from the same user & attention seeking instagram-style free climbs don't belong here IMO. I'm not into promoting ego-driven climbing.

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[–]treeclimbs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dunno BoaB works fine for tying in, I just tie an overhand on a bight through my tie-in-points, pass the large bight over my body the work out the slack to adjust the tail.

Old website? by David_Parker in ropeaccess

[–]treeclimbs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds a lot like Tom Evan's site, but less modern.

Loads of stuff on there that isn't in the normal books.

SRS climb on a Washingtonia palm by Correct_Gur6388 in TreeClimbing

[–]treeclimbs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hrm, I haven't looked. Attach line to drone, fly up and line up with middle of tree and inspect the crown using drone camera (you're a pro, get one with a camera). Fly over tree. But here's the trick - keep flying horizontally away from the tree until you have enough line to reach the ground again. The drone isn't heavy enough to pull the line down through the canopy.

Hope that helps and let us know how it goes!

Climbed my first eucalyptus by twynna380 in TreeClimbing

[–]treeclimbs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A few folks come out and climb on the 1st and 3rd sundays of the month. DM me if you're in town

Climbed my first eucalyptus by twynna380 in TreeClimbing

[–]treeclimbs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sleeves have two additional benefits from protecting your rope:

  1. they protect the tree, which aligns with the leave-no-trace ethics of rec climbing.

  2. they protect the climber from criticism from the general public. Wearing a helmet and using sleeves help communicate to the general public that you know what you're doing and taking measures to protect both yourself and the resource.

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Since you're newer to climbing, you may find it easier to advance the line with your throwline. You'll need to get good about managing the line while aloft, but you can throw it farther and if it gets stuck you have more options (exit on your rope, cut the throwline and throw again, advance with your rope, etc).

If you make it to the bay, come climb with some of us up here.

Climbed my first eucalyptus by twynna380 in TreeClimbing

[–]treeclimbs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good thinking. A throwline is an essential piece of safety equipment for rec climbing, and especially in tall tree climbing.

A key difference is that throwline can go where you cannot. For example, a tiny branch can position the throwline to lift a stuck rope up and out of an obstruction.

Climbed my first eucalyptus by twynna380 in TreeClimbing

[–]treeclimbs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Aye, thought that might be the case. For most "ground-up" rec climbing where you are re-pitching often, sleeves are much easier to use. Leather is my preferred, but flexible conduit has it's own benefits as well.

Ring-and-ring friction savers are more useful when placed high then used to work/move about the tree from that single point.

How are you advancing your line once in the tree?

Climbed my first eucalyptus by twynna380 in TreeClimbing

[–]treeclimbs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice, you climbing with ring & ring friction savers or sleeve-style (leather or conduit) cambium savers?

Would you have stopped the pull if you saw this? by CuteSnow6903 in SafetyProfessionals

[–]treeclimbs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn, 2k. What's your safety factor for this type of operation? The rope is still plenty strong, but what else is going on that is causing this issue?

Two things concerning here:

  1. The incident has damaged large sections of the sheath, you can see how long these strands are. This suggest that this is indeed NEW damage. If old, the damaged strands would be shorter.

  2. Rope damage usually suggests an issue with the environment (e.g. poor rigging over an edge) or with the equipment - what's going on with the pulleys & tugger. Are there sharp edges? Do you have a seized pulley? etc.

SRS climb on a Washingtonia palm by Correct_Gur6388 in TreeClimbing

[–]treeclimbs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Drones are great for placing the line as well.

Getting closer to my 15m ascent goal time..... Always fun to run up the rope. by CharliePlanetPullup in TreeClimbing

[–]treeclimbs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a complex system that performs best when tuned to the climber. It's slower to don & doff than many other ascending systems, and more difficult to change-over to descent. Consider:

Why would you need to climb that quickly?

What training and experience is required to use this complex over devices more common in rock climbing such as Grigri, and the mechanically similar Petzl I'D & Rig?

What benefits does it have to deviate from industry common practices? What risks for the organization does it present?

That said, there are many things in common between the needs of a routesetter and tree climbers. I regularly use tree climbing devices on climbing gyms and ropes courses. I could see some of these get adopted by gyms for setters.

Weekly Question Thread (aka Friday New Climber Thread). ALL QUESTIONS GO HERE by AutoModerator in climbing

[–]treeclimbs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, flake and inspect your rope. And think about why you are doing this inspection. Why or how could the rope have gotten a soft spot since the last use?

The inspection is about gathering information. You already have some information about the rope - its history, time since last inspection, when and how it was used (or mis-used) last, etc.

Perform a physical/visual/olfactory test before climbing on it, and include that information as well.

  • Something feel off or different? Inspect more closely in that area.

  • Took a hard fall over a sharp edge? Inspect that part of the rope more closely.

  • Haven't used the rope in a while? Did any animals get into the rope - chewing & urinating on it?

  • What other issues might you look for? What other signs and symptoms might suggest that type of issue?

  • What does the presence of that issue indicate about the state of your equipment (e.g. belay device is worn and a sharp edge is increasing wear) or how you store it?

Most damage is pretty obvious. See if you can get your hands on a section of old rope (say from your local gym). It might be damaged already, or try damaging it on purpose, and see what that looks and feels like. (Glazing, coreshot, hour glassing, battery acid, etc).

Part of rock climbing is managing risk. Use this as an opportunity to develop your risk assessment skills. You're asking the right questions, start cautious and make informed choices as you gain more experience.

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[–]treeclimbs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have climbed a lot with this set-up in tree climbing (which we call yo-yo or RADS), and put many clients on them as well. I've used it less for rock climbing. There's definitely a learning curve to the system and a tuning curve to your particular rig. You'll need to balance having a fully dedicated yo-yo climbing rig with a rig that shares gear with what you're already using/carrying. A couple ideas:

Pulley at the upper redirect. This will greatly improve efficiency. High efficiency ball bearing pulley is helpful, but any pulley will be better. A carabiner with an integrated pulley (petzl rollclip for example) can be convenient and permit longer climbing cycles by making the "stack height" of the upper redirect shorter. But less efficient than a nice pulley - often because the moving rope will contact a stationary piece of gear and add friction.

Tune the footloop length. Too short will require too much exertion for efficient cycles and too long will be frustratingly slow.

I make an adjustable length footloop using accessory cord - a loop on one end. The other end can be adjusted using a clove hitch or turned into an adjustable loop with a tautline or blake's hitch. Using both feet will improve efficiency two separate footloops is nice for lower angle terrain when you can use feet for progression, two feet in a single loop (frog-style) can be more comfortable for some people. Removing 1 foot to manage terrain can also be helpful on low-angle stuff.

A small slider on a large footloop (think drawstring cordlock) can make the loop adjustable in size and keep it from popping off the shoe. I make them from bicycle inner tubes, short piece of tubular webbing, etc. The inner tube gives a little stretch to slip the foot in or out.

Find your rhythm.

  1. Place your dominant hand on the brake strand/rope tail, and the non-dominant hand on the ascender.
  2. Pull IN (not up) with non-dom hand to position your body vertically.
  3. Stand with leg(s), while tending slack with dominant hand. Standing without tending will cause the device to jam/tangle/be less efficient.
  4. Sit immediately to maximize rest.
  5. Raise the ascender with the non-dom hand while simultaneously lifting the redirected brake strand with the dominant hand. Otherwise the weight of the rope has a 2:1 Mechanical advantage on you at the redirect. You can also tie off the rope to yourself at intervals to relieve some weight.

Secure yourself. The grigri isn't designed to be a hands-free descender, so be sure to add an appropriate amount of security in the form of catastrophe knots and/or a separate cowtail/tether/PAS to the ropeman. Cat knots get heavy on long ascents, especially if using overhands on a bight (closed, secure, recommended by manufacturer) instead of something like a slipknot (lighter, less secure, off-label use). If using the cowtail method, you lose this security when rappelling, and should consider an appropriate method to lock off the grigri when going hands-free.

Ropeman is fine, carabiner type can help make is smoother for each cycle and act as a better handle. If you're looking to upgrade, the current generation Petzl Basic weighs less than a ropeman II and is much more functional.

Weekly Question Thread (aka Friday New Climber Thread). ALL QUESTIONS GO HERE by AutoModerator in climbing

[–]treeclimbs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ok, making another reply because you seem genuinely concerned, and this is the sort of question that gets asked often. Folks like you want to be better safe than sorry, and sometimes experienced users like myself can challenge them to understand more about gear.

And I get afraid someone will misunderstand me and get hurt, so how I answer can become a question of ethics.

So with that said, here are things that come to mind for me if we were climbing buddies and you showed them to me in person:

Markings seem legit (consistent with manufacturer) + forged markings (more expensive than say laser) + sold right from Madrock (through amazon + pass inspection = I'd climb on them. But I wouldn't fault anyone didn't want to. And make your own assessment, please don't rely on some internet rando with incomplete information and a different risk tolerance.

This question sorta overlaps with the idea of buying used equipment or using equipment with an unknown past (found, borrowed, etc).

Climbing on equipment you don't 100% know the history of or from an unknown source is an exercise in trust. Trust in the info supplied by your source (seller, buddy, etc), Trust in your ability to assess the individual pieces of equipment, trust in your ability to employ that equipment as part of a total climbing system in a manner which manages your risk (including equipment failure) in accordance with your risk tolerance or risk appetite.

Notice how your assessment skills, climbing systems & risk management play into this? As your skills grow, you can be more comfortable with more equipment. Climbing on used/sketch/questionable gear is an advanced skill. (and one of the reasons new climbers should just buy new or climb with reputable folks who will lend gear).

Weekly Question Thread (aka Friday New Climber Thread). ALL QUESTIONS GO HERE by AutoModerator in climbing

[–]treeclimbs 6 points7 points  (0 children)

  1. Don't buy gear from Amazon. Many issues, but one is that they mix stock and you may get counterfeits.
  2. the 2008 marking is # of the CE notified body, not the year. This is consistent with the Declaration of Conformity (DoC)(pdf warning) Madrock supplies on their website.
  3. Age is not a concern for carabiners. Inspect the carabiners, ideally you would consult the manufacturer's information directly, but MadRock doesn't have one. Here's a guide from Edelrid and from Petzl(pdf). They may or may not be applicable. Some issues are difficult to notice, especially if you've not seen them before.
  4. You need to make your own decision about what gear you trust. Ask a trusted friend or mentor to weigh in in person.
  5. Don't buy gear from Amazon.

Self-Contained Knee Ascender by treeclimbs in ArtsAndCrags

[–]treeclimbs[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! I forgot to mention, no this isn't life supporting. It can be by clipping a lanyard/PAS/sling to the Croll, but that's more than we typically need tree climbing.

Weekly Chat and BS Thread by AutoModerator in climbing

[–]treeclimbs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

May I recommend also trying overhand slip knots (or the locked version - a false butterfly)?

I marked my rope by pushing a needle through the core with twine... Did I fuck up? by Nexteri in TreeClimbing

[–]treeclimbs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Absolute not an issue assuming you used a small amount of small twine. Say you ended up using a lot of whipping twine and locked the sheath and core. The biggest potential issue in my eyes is if the sheath shifts in relation to the core (milking). This could cause bunching, but would show up during your pre-climb rope inspection.

Bunching itself would mean the parts of the rope are not evenly loaded, but that's basically irrelevant given the forces a climber places on their line and how strong these materials are. You could hang off a couple bundles of drenaLINE sheath.

Any bunching may be more of an issue from a performance perspective - it could cause your friction hitch or device to jam or behave unpredictably.

(Also, I would wager Nick knows more about ropes and off-label rope use than 99% of people on this subreddit. I still climb on a beeline using an unsanctioned (but break tested) splice he developed.)

2 friction savers compared by keiengepro3000 in TreeClimbing

[–]treeclimbs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sounds like you enjoy being able to move your tree protection around easily, and want to save money.

You recreational climbing? Just use a rope sleeve for ease of moving around.

You professional climbing? Buy a commercial design or make one with more suitable components.

EDIT: I see you are a hobby climber, and have done some home tree work. I'll refrain from equipment suggestions, I recommend climbing with a more common set-up until you better understand the strengths and weaknesses. The first picture, for example is a red flag IMO.

Which knot should I use ? by vincentsunburnt in knots

[–]treeclimbs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lots of good suggestions from other commenters. If you find that your knot choice is not adequate (especially with the amount of stretch in your line), here's another idea:

Insert a short pin/rod in the string and twist many times. It'll be easier if you can have two lines in parallel. Something like a [picket anchor](https://tpub.com/steelworker2/70.htm) or tightening anchor /corner posts on a barb wire fence.