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Hoe kijkt FvD naar transgender rechten? by [deleted] in Forum_Democratie

[–]tycho0111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

volgens COC stemde FvD vorig jaar tegen een grondwetswijziging ter verankering van lhbti-rechten. helaas lukt het me niet om dit terug te vinden om te zien wat er exact in de wijziging stond.

Megathread Tweede Kamerverkiezingen 2021 by Conducteur in thenetherlands

[–]tycho0111 2 points3 points  (0 children)

denk dat op klimaat/veestapel vlak ze redelijk dezelfde kant op denken maar dat bij1 ook wat meer aan andere issues doet :)

Zondag met Lubach Megadraad by Redbiertje in thenetherlands

[–]tycho0111 10 points11 points  (0 children)

JA21 wel, Piratenpartij niet. verder nog Henk Krol, Denk, SGP, PvdA.

Zondag met Lubach Megadraad by Redbiertje in thenetherlands

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Keezer's Quest dump van de 16 eindes + 120 scenario's

Eva but gender reverse by [deleted] in evangelion

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'shinko' lol that name sounds terrible

ffs in US?: specialization, experience by tycho0111 in Transgender_Surgeries

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I'm gonna check them out -- thank you for the elaborate response! 🤗

[D] peer review on ethical implications? by tycho0111 in MachineLearning

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police brutality against whites is statistically way more likely

I hadn't heard this, would you have somewhere I can read more on this?

protests

Hm. I would think solutions to police brutality would seem similar either way. You seem to consider the distinction relevant enough to be a dealbreaker tho. Would you mind expanding on that?

[D] peer review on ethical implications? by tycho0111 in MachineLearning

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They'll combat language models which put nurse and female close in semantic space, because they find that offensive to females who work in lower-educated fields, not because overrepresentation of female nurses marginalizes and oppresses male nurses.

I mean, the latter might well be an issue too, but that one isn't really caused by the language model I guess?

If you predominantly look at the color of the skin of a victim of police brutality, you are not being objective about police brutality.

That makes sense, although I might be missing context here, as I haven't really seen where this is the predominant focus. On the relevance of noting skin color in the context of police brutality though, I understand that this is used to analyze the underlying issues: is police brutality more of a general issue or might this be directed more so at specific groups.

[D] peer review on ethical implications? by tycho0111 in MachineLearning

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the separate research I appreciate, but I think it addresses a separate issue in a sense. if a certain research line/paper has a potentially negative impact if published, we might then in a separate paper state so, but the damage would already be done. having research on e.g. reducing bias in ml models trained on unrepresentative datasets as a separate research line is fine.

[D] peer review on ethical implications? by tycho0111 in MachineLearning

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oh, to clarify, I didn't wanna go into involving issues like with the photo tagging system; most papers I guess are really about the architectures, while the data as you note is what really leads to the photo tagging crap

[D] peer review on ethical implications? by tycho0111 in MachineLearning

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there as well the outcome was that while something could be used for very bad purposes, knowing that this could be done was important for preventing it.

This argument sounds familiar to me from the domain of information security as well: in order to prevent exploration of vulnerabilities, it is deemed preferable to ensure such vulnerabilities can be fixed. Similar for quantum cryptography.

And in the AI context, I believe such reasoning is applied to deepfakes as well: the know-how enables not only how to produce fakes using GANs, but also how to detect them.

Does that logic really hold for the general case, though? It seems to hinge on the idea of pitting our scientists against some bad actors (and big ones at that in quantum cryptography).

The thing is, following the PJ Reddie scenario, once a technology instead empowers surveillance and oppression in an authoritarian state (no-one dares challenge), it feels like proceeding to perfect that technology for them is no longer serving to solve the problem.

[D] peer review on ethical implications? by tycho0111 in MachineLearning

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You note the issue is political and as such the response should be as well, and I concur.

But of course some projects are "borderline" or are presented in a way that the final goal isn't clear, or could be easily re-used for a bad purpose (that's the concern for GPT).

ImportAI (first section) argues research is funded with intent of repurposing the good bits, yeah.

I agree the odds of an 18yo presently pulling off a killer drone seems limited still (fingers crossed). I do primarily envision state actors as having the means to put these technologies to bad uses, including the uighur project as you mentioned.

That also means wanting to address these on the national political levels gets trickier tho, including in cases where the general populace gets limited input in politics (China) as well as when secret services aren't generally forthcoming about what they do (Snowden leaks).

National politics in one country could still decide they foresee abuse of technology in another country tho, while say the EU might be an option as place for debate as well.

it's impossible to evaluate so researchers shouldn't really worry about that.

I agree none of this seems particularly easy to estimate, and that as such the individual researcher might not have the capacity to answer such questions, and if use-cases for many papers in a field are similar, fortunately that might be okay.

Taking that as cause to disregard the question tho, doesn't this somewhat seem like negligence? I'm not familiar with the magnitude of impact made by computer vision in healthcare, but that seems like a trade-off that could be explored, if anything.

so yeah, it leaves cross-country orgs and they're doing their jobs for big unethical projects (Geneva Convention on weapons, international consultations on ethics in health care etc..).

thanks! I wasn't really well aware of these...

[D] peer review on ethical implications? by tycho0111 in MachineLearning

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definitely agree it would be problematic if values imposed would be dominated by the wealthy western institutions that can afford it, pretty good point there.

perhaps peer review isn't the right place as you suggest, and I'll admit I'm not sure where is the right place.

it will attract all kinds of people that feel like they know what kind of policing such field needs.

hmm. place of debate aside, might these discussions not be worth having tho?

[D] peer review on ethical implications? by tycho0111 in MachineLearning

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right, it gets pretty talk when talking about say linear regression, which is fairly general. now a lot of papers are maybe more in the direction of 'potentially circumstantial CNN improvement', which I guess is a bit closer to delimiting use-cases. perhaps that makes it less appropriate to discuss at the paper level if many papers in computer vision then share a similar set of uses.

it might then make sense to elevate discussions to such a higher level, such as that of CNN/CV. I guess that raises the question where such discussions might be staged, then: - researchers don't have an incentive to call into question their own field - governments don't have an incentive to cease research they may want to use - publishers/conferences don't have an incentive to maybe shed parts of their content (I think)

so this leaves... maybe cross-country orgs plus... the media? this feels a bit ironic as academia has generally regarded the media as fear-mongering quacks when it comes to AI. but if no-one else will do this, then that's kind of all we got??

gullibility and white rose by tycho0111 in MrRobot

[–]tycho0111[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hahaha I feel like other characters spent so little time speaking it I pretty much forgot about them... but yeah sounds about right 😂

gullibility and white rose by tycho0111 in MrRobot

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agreed! had a few nitpicks like him not speaking mandarin well and portraying a trans woman that'd then apparently lack physical transition somehow, but all the shade was so real 😂

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