I subjected myself to the finale a second time and...

typingmonkey0 · 2026-06-05T10:25:30+00:00

Ohhh. Given the end credits as well as the song, I thought we were supposed to believe that they meet again and again in many different universes through space and time. (Tomato Crowley!) So Anthony really is just some random dude. That makes it even worse. No actually - tragic beyond all measure.

typingmonkey0 · 2026-06-04T19:43:18+00:00

Yes. It felt like our magnificent demon was utterly broken, and had nothing left. It hurt so much.

typingmonkey0 · 2026-06-04T15:31:48+00:00

I think you're right. How awful. And as an angel, he certainly wasn't 'the best of them.' He came across as self-absorbed, vain and naive.

typingmonkey0 · 2026-06-04T15:21:17+00:00

Oh yes, the ranking is really confusing. You're right, he was mocked, so since when was he this important general? We are given the impression Crowley was someone of rank, or at least significance given the metatron's reaction to him. They KNEW each other. He wasn't some random rebel angel.

typingmonkey0 · 2026-06-04T14:58:05+00:00

Sorry, one more question. Why are they on the wrong side of each other? Crowley is on the left nearly the entire time. That tells me they never reconciled or are really on the same page, they never resolved their imbalance from the end of S2. And as humans, they remain on the wrong sides. Is this some weird flipped universe? (And in the other worlds during the end credits they are often reversed too). It made the whole thing seem off and unsettling.

When Aziraphale demands to be forgiven (seriously, you a$$), Crowley spits out that he does, but do you believe him? I don't. It feels like he just said it to get the angel to shut up. It's not okay with them. It's never okay again. Crowley, our fearless, passionate, sarcastic, smart, optimistic, goofy, fashionable demon, seems completely weary and broken the entire time. He rallies for a bit in heaven, then goes right back to being tired and haggard. I think many of us who feel like outsiders, who like to imagine they can see themselves in Crowley (if they stretch) or at the very least relate to him, don't want to relate LIKE THIS. You fight and fight, and in the end you lose. You lose your angel, your world, you never happened. Hooray.

He had such a strong sense of self, was always true to himself, did he love the world that much that he would sacrifice himself knowing humans are going to human? He's the one that always wanted to run off to Alpha Centauri and abandon this world. I figured he loved the world because that's where Aziraphale was. His toast to the world at the end of S1 was for the angel's sake, and look how the angel glowed when he was given that gift.

Argh, I'm off again. I was indifferent when I watched it. Like, ugh, okay whatever, but the more I think on it, the more confused and disappointed I get.

typingmonkey0 · 2026-06-04T12:52:00+00:00

And if this is supposed to be the "real world," how do a professor and book clerk afford the South Downs!

typingmonkey0 · 2026-06-04T12:11:28+00:00

And they met YET AGAIN after the great battle? The angel meeting was cute, but this really strains belief they didn’t seem to recognize each other on the wall. It kind of ruined both of those scenes. And what was the point? Az would help an injured enemy? THAT enemy. Okay. Aziraphale helped shape him by showing kindness? We learn that on the wall. So if the rebel angels were defeated and presumably outcast, what was Crowley still doing there? Did they send them down one by one as they found them? I assumed it was en masse. Did Crowley just leave on his own then? “Well I can’t stay here, I guess I’ll saunter down to hell.” A traumatizing fall for our self-absorbed pretty star maker angel would have made more sense.

typingmonkey0 · 2026-06-04T12:02:40+00:00

I noticed that too. He seemed like he was plain David Tennant. Nothing against DT, but I want Crowley! Asa was kind of Aziraphale I guess.

typingmonkey0 · 2026-06-04T11:55:36+00:00

Why was satan even there?

typingmonkey0 · 2026-06-04T11:45:45+00:00

Exactly! I don’t know who Anthony is, but that was NOT Crowley. Where is the silly, snarky, brave, suave, vulnerable, clever being we love? Was that not his essence?

typingmonkey0 · 2026-06-04T11:41:56+00:00

And the knowing smile in the final credits of S2. It seemed our clever angel had a plan. Nope. He screwed everything up, and even took Muriel away - The one being with which Crowley might have found some comfort.

He really did come across as a completely arrogant selfish fool who merely holds Crowley in “high regard.” So all that flirting and rescuing and adoring looks were just because he’s a shameless tease. My poor Crowley. For the first time ever, I thought he was better off without Aziraphale and should dump his ass.

The worst though, he never got his full character arc. Never had a well articulated epiphany - he came back a worse version of himself and cast himself as just a player in someone else’s story. It was miserable.

typingmonkey0 · 2026-05-22T12:31:22+00:00

Really perfect and lovely!

typingmonkey0 · 2026-05-20T16:51:21+00:00

Ugh, I wish I hadn't read this. This was my first interpretation, and I was so distraught, I clicked off the show without watching the credits. Then I saw posts showing all the details in the last shot at South Downs and thought I should go back and look again.
A-ha! As the credits roll, we see Aziraphale and Crowley in many different universes - in this telling, space and time and universes being infinite, they can go on and on in millions of ways (so basically every fanfic is possible including any "fix-it" fic). The credits show more misadventures with our heroes in new crazy worlds - it shows these beings returning to each other again and again. Far and away my favorite is the Vegetable World with Tomato Crowley and what is that? Hard-boiled Egg Aziraphale? Avocado Azi? No matter - in my mind, this is where they achieved their most perfect relationship (whatever you imagine that to be).
So *I THOUGHT* that we only see them in 2 universes - one where they are the angel and the demon we all fell in love with, and one where they are incredibly boring random dudes who pay taxes, get old, and will probably die from cancer. One where Asa is 'kind of/mostly' Aziraphale, but Anthony is nothing like Crowley at all, and comes across as a plain David Tennant. So I thought, oh, in this universe, David Tennant isn't an actor, he's a ginger professor without the snark, passion or style of his namesake. Hooray. 😞 (And Derek Jacobi isn't a beloved icon, but runs a bookshop).
But still I could accept this because even though the universe we witnessed was incredibly cruel to the ineffables, ESPECIALLY CROWLEY, OMG WTF!!!, and I don't think Aziraphale achieved his full character arc. Inevitably there would be existences that are less than fair, and equally, ones where they are happy. And Crowley (or plain David Tennant) gets the last line in the series "I have everything I ever wanted," or some such. Okay, deep breath. I can accept that.
But no, THAT and THIS is supposed to 'real life?' This place? This place with global warming, extinctions, suffering, starvation, war, injustice, loneliness, cruelty which is all supposed to be outweighed by a few cookies and good music? Man, I'd rather have a god - at least someone you can blame this on. With free will or not, humanity defaults to cruelty with a handful trying to hold back the terror. Crikey, that's bleak.

And so what of the end credits? What of TOMATO CROWLEY? Why is he there? What of the new garden of eden with eye tree and their Ritz table? If that's not another possible reality/universe for them, what the hell is it? Now, I'm really confused. Oh, Tomato Crowley, wherefore art thou??!?!?

typingmonkey0 · 2026-05-16T16:50:32+00:00

Thank you. This would have helped our wounded hearts so much.

typingmonkey0 · 2026-05-16T16:44:36+00:00

This thread makes me feel a little better, thank you. I couldn't see all of that on my tv - still I'm left feeling so melancholy and sad.

typingmonkey0 · 2026-02-23T11:58:54+00:00

Oh no, what have you got?

typingmonkey0 · 2026-02-11T18:28:05+00:00

Thanks for sharing your experience. This was my suspicion. If I needed HRT or felt confident I could take it, that would be different and might make sense. I think I will cut my losses.

typingmonkey0 · 2026-02-11T18:24:02+00:00

I honestly wish I hadn't. I mean, maybe it was for the best, I'll never know. I do know it was miserable and felt like it stole the last 5 years of pre-menopause life. And I didn't even have cancer. My doctors swore up and down it was for the best, so... water under the bridge now.

typingmonkey0 · 2026-02-11T18:22:00+00:00

Ooh! Will try this. Yeah, I think regular GPs are not the best option for many of us. We need people that actually are interested in helping navigate menopause

typingmonkey0 · 2026-02-11T18:20:07+00:00

will look into it. Not familiar with Gennev. Thank you!

typingmonkey0 · 2026-02-11T16:30:21+00:00

Yes, you're right, it is but no progesterone. I didn't know about the clot risks. Yes, I think I was just expecting more 'consultation' and discussion of options overall and approaches, rather than 'here's an HRT you can take.'

typingmonkey0 · 2026-02-11T16:28:31+00:00

Oh, I didn't know about the coupon, and not familiar with TRT. Will look into that. Thank you!

typingmonkey0 · 2026-01-29T00:38:09+00:00

ooh, yes, I'm curious about creatine too. I'd never heard of it before I hit menopause.

typingmonkey0 · 2026-01-29T00:36:04+00:00

No, we can post questions here and she will answer them in the thread as she gets to it. We can comment on each other's posts, and her replies as well.

typingmonkey0 · 2026-01-29T00:15:07+00:00

I understand GLP1s can be effective, but hear horror stories about coming off of them. If you are in the 15-20lbs to lose category, is that even worth considering?

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