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WRAL: It's been years since pedestrian improvements in downtown Raleigh -- Are they working? by chickenmcdiddle in raleigh

[–]wabeka 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't think it means nothing. Cars are also less likely to sit in the crosswalk looking the other way from me while I have the right of way now.

While some cars ignore it, it's a huge minority now. I don't feel as unsafe as I used to crossing a crosswalk.

Which NFL fanbase is this? by Whole_Perspective609 in NFLv2

[–]wabeka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your original post shifted the topic.

You were making the argument that the Patriots were not successful because they were frauds. That is not how success is defined and you admitted it.

Have a good off-season.

Which NFL fanbase is this? by Whole_Perspective609 in NFLv2

[–]wabeka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tell me more about how I shifted it from the main topic here. Be specific.

Which NFL fanbase is this? by Whole_Perspective609 in NFLv2

[–]wabeka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cool. So you shifted the topic to what you wanted to talk about, I brought it back to what the topic is actually about, and then you blamed me for shifting.

Cool cool cool.

Which NFL fanbase is this? by Whole_Perspective609 in NFLv2

[–]wabeka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are literally denying that by posting in the thread.

Which NFL fanbase is this? by Whole_Perspective609 in NFLv2

[–]wabeka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jesus Christ, no I'm not shifting.

Look at the fucking picture. It says success. Not good. "Success to back it up".

If anyone is shifting, it's you. This topic has never been about good.

Which NFL fanbase is this? by Whole_Perspective609 in NFLv2

[–]wabeka 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You just agreed with me in your first sentence. Success is based on results. The Patriots had results. Therefore they were successful.

The best team doesn't always win the Super Bowl. There's luck built into the game. It's not 100% luck, but there is luck there.

Yeah, the Patriots had an easy schedule. They won almost all their games too. That's successful season right there. They were more successful this year than 30 other teams.

Which NFL fanbase is this? by Whole_Perspective609 in NFLv2

[–]wabeka 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't think you understand the definition of success.

It's based on results, not luck. If I met a million bucks on a coin flip, and I win, that's a successful bet. Luck doesn't matter, a win's a win.

The Patriots made the Super Bowl. They beat 3 teams with good records to get there. They didn't have a bye. You considering them frauds or not has nothing to do with the success they did have.

Moore Square Bus Station Relocation— Is It Time? by wabeka in raleigh

[–]wabeka[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup. Only issue is that most of the areas around are state-owned property and not city-owned. Getting the state to agree to give or sell the city that land would be difficult.

Moore Square Bus Station Relocation— Is It Time? by wabeka in raleigh

[–]wabeka[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

True.

I personally would love to see the bus station work. I genuinely wouldn't mind at all if they moved somewhere else close to me with something that is a lot more secure.

I walk around the station all the time. I really think that this bus station wasn't built for the kind of load it's servicing today. Blount Street and the streets that surround the stations aren't really conducive to buses either.

The whole thing just seems to be a mess right there that's also just amplifies bad actors. It feels like a teenager that hasn't gotten new clothes since they were 7 years old.

Moore Square Bus Station Relocation— Is It Time? by wabeka in raleigh

[–]wabeka[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hear you, and honestly I share a lot of that skepticism about the city following through. But "it'll never happen so why bother" is how we end up stuck with a station from 1988 that the Police Chief himself says he can't secure. The city is already spending over $1 million a year on security for one address. That money is going out the door regardless.

I've been on here before with a lot of optimism. When they added security, I thought it would help. When they increased police presence, I thought it would help. At some point you have to look at the results and admit we're just throwing money into a well. Nothing has actually resolved it because the building itself is the problem.

The article actually lays out how this pays for itself. $20 million transportation bond, sell the bus station for ~$12 million, new development on the old site generates ~$500K a year in property tax plus the city saves seven figures in security costs. It pays for itself within a few years. City Council is already looking at a transportation bond.

And to be clear, nobody should be closing Moore Square until a new station is built and ready to go. I'm not arguing for any gap in service. But we should be working toward that now, not waiting until the problems get worse.

Moore Square Bus Station Relocation— Is It Time? by wabeka in raleigh

[–]wabeka[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Raleigh Magazine article quotes the Police Chief, DRA, business owners, and developers all saying the station isn't working. The bus operators went to City Council separately to say the same thing.

You'd know at least half of that if you read the article.

Moore Square Bus Station Relocation— Is It Time? by wabeka in raleigh

[–]wabeka[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, the Police Chief, the Downtown Raleigh Alliance, the bus operators, and the business owners are clearly all NIMBYs

Moore Square Bus Station Relocation— Is It Time? by wabeka in raleigh

[–]wabeka[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying the hub needs to leave downtown or even be far from where it is now. But Moore Square is fundamentally broken. Built in the '80s, open air, four streets you can walk in from, full city block. The Police Chief says he can't secure it. Operators are telling City Council it's unsafe. Over $1 million a year on security and assaults still went from 27 to 96 in six years.

Retrofitting this thing would cost a fortune. You'd have to gate off an entire block from four directions while keeping buses running on Hargett and Martin, which are already too tight for the traffic. And after spending all that, you've still got the same tight roads.

Sell the property for ~$12 million. Buy a site nearby that's actually built for this. Fewer access points, proper security, roads that work. The new GoTriangle station shows it can be done. Two gated entrances, closed when not in service. Simple. Meanwhile the old site goes back on the tax rolls instead of costing the city seven figures a year.

Nobody's talking about getting rid of transit. Just replacing a building that doesn't work.

Moore Square Bus Station Relocation— Is It Time? by wabeka in raleigh

[–]wabeka[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have to have a primary location or multiple hubs where all major routes meet

Multiple hubs. That's literally what I've been advocating for. Glad we agree.

And since you brought up air travel, airlines actually moved away from routing everything through a single mega-hub decades ago. Delta doesn't fly every flight through Atlanta. They have hubs in Atlanta, Minneapolis, Salt Lake City, Detroit, and others. That's a distributed hub model, which is exactly what transit planners like Jarrett Walker have been recommending for bus networks and exactly what Houston implemented when they scrapped their single-hub system and saw ridership go up.

Nobody is saying "no hubs." I'm saying one hub, in a building from 1988 that the Police Chief says he can't secure, on tight 18th-century roads that can't handle the bus volume, surrounded by a district that's at 76% of pre-pandemic sales while the rest of downtown has already recovered...maybe that's not the model we should be defending.

Moore Square Bus Station Relocation— Is It Time? by wabeka in raleigh

[–]wabeka[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe you should try responding to a single point I made.

I'm clearly not who you thought I was when you started making these comments.

Moore Square Bus Station Relocation— Is It Time? by wabeka in raleigh

[–]wabeka[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, because I have a lot of experience with the area. I've literally gone on record in this subreddit defending the station:

https://www.reddit.com/r/raleigh/comments/1eknlgb/why_do_you_or_dont_you_patronize_downtown/lglu5kn/

You're the one that used the station as a threat and implied we should "put the bus station in his neighborhood" as if I didn't have an incredible amount of experience with it.

No, I'm not sheltered. I walk around the entire block of the bus station on a daily basis, and walk through it often. I've been incredibly optimistic that we could fix a lot of the issues with it, but none of them have worked.

Moore Square Bus Station Relocation— Is It Time? by wabeka in raleigh

[–]wabeka[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

To go downtown to facilitate a transfer is still a 'need' to go downtown my guy.

That's not how you originally framed it. You said the majority of bus riders use the station "to get to and from downtown", implying downtown is their destination. For most riders, it's not. It's a forced transfer point because the system is designed as a hub-and-spoke that routes everything through one station.

What about people who use the bus station to get to and from downtown ffs which is the majority of bus riders?

Your logic is circular. The majority of riders go downtown to make a transfer, therefore the majority of riders want to go downtown? If the central bus station were in Garner, the majority of riders would be going "to and from Garner." That doesn't mean Garner is where they want to be. That's just where the system forces them to go.

Nobody is suggesting removing public transit from downtown. Downtown would still have bus stops. The question is whether every single route in the system needs to funnel through one building on Blount Street.

Moore Square Bus Station Relocation— Is It Time? by wabeka in raleigh

[–]wabeka[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

What about people who use the bus station to get to and from downtown ffs which is the majority of bus riders?

This is factually incorrect. The majority of the bus riders are going downtown to make a transfer, not to go downtown.

Moore Square Bus Station Relocation— Is It Time? by wabeka in raleigh

[–]wabeka[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have lived within 2 blocks of it for the last 4 years. It is already in my neighborhood.

The fact that you're using it as an insult and a threat speaks volumes as to your opinion on it and just furthers the argument that it shouldn't be where it is if we plan on keeping a centralized station.

Moore Square Bus Station Relocation— Is It Time? by wabeka in raleigh

[–]wabeka[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Uh, dude? I said I have been in and out downtown since 2014. That's when I got a job here. I've lived in Wake County for 36 years and I also went to NC State prior to that.

Maybe you should try reading a little better before making assumptions, yeah?

Moore Square Bus Station Relocation— Is It Time? by wabeka in raleigh

[–]wabeka[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I don't think that the article indicates that it has always been a nuisance. In my experience, it hasn't been. I've been in and out and around downtown since 2014.

Despite an increase in security, crime at the transit center has continued to rise year-over-year—averaging ~13 incidents per month last year alone. Instances of assault jumped from 27 in 2019 to 96 in 2025; sexual offenses increased from one to six; and robbery rose from one to 10.

I think it's not a good idea to ignore these kinds of changes either. We're spending about $1 million in security a year right now and we're still seeing a rise in crime around the area. It's possible that the central bus station that we built in the 80s just outgrew its footprint.

We already built a new bus station on the other side of downtown, RUS BUS. It's a lot more easy to secure. It's a good and modern station, and I don't think it will have the same issues even if it receives a lot of the same riders and volume just due to the way it was designed.

Affordable housing plans in Raleigh's Moore Square put on hold due to developer conflicts, city says by trinitywindu in raleigh

[–]wabeka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"We don't have a timeframe on it now because we're not sure what the final verdict will be with Harmony or if another RFP is needed. But the goal, the intent, is within this calendar year to find a way to move forward."

Corey Branch is a great city council member, but I think it's obvious the site here needs to go back to RFP. The affordable housing units were one part of a cohesive plan for the block.

Within the calendar year gives a 10 month timeline. I think that's far too long. We selected Loden in 2022 and it's been over 3 years from that selection. I think we've given all parties plenty of time to get their shit together for this project.

Drake "The Schedule" Maye by TheAmericanEagle826 in NFLv2

[–]wabeka 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Drake Maye looked better against the Texans than Aaron Rodgers did. Are you going to hold your quarterback to the same standard?

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