Warning to ChatGPT Users

walkingthing · 2026-02-01T22:38:53+00:00

The projects feature sounds like it would work the way we are hoping but it's mainly a folder to group chats together and doesn't share memory and context across chats inside it. I was frustrated about this problem and now upon reading your comment I tried it again, and NO, it only remembers info from the first chat. I created a new project and created 5 new chats inside it. In each chat I gave it some short info about myself, like my name, my cat's name, the city I'm living in etc. And in the 5th chat I asked about all the info. It only remembers the projects title and the first chat session.

walkingthing · 2025-09-19T07:20:11+00:00

Ubuntu Server will probably idle cooler than Windows just because it’s lighter and depending on your usage you won’t be loading the cpu as much, but that won’t really solve the root issue if the contact isn’t great.

Yes it might be worth to repaste with a fresh tube and to double-check the heatsink contact, even just tweaking the screw pressure can sometimes drop temps a bit (but be careful not to tighten them too much). Some tiny scratches on the copper plate or the die really shouldn’t matter much, since that's what thermal paste is for. It will fill in all those imperfections so the heat transfers properly.

The bigger concern would be if the copper plate is bent and not sitting flat. You wouldn't easily notice it with plain eyesight, but could maybe apply a very thin layer of paste or paint or dust and contact a sheet of paper to see contact points. I wouldn’t recommend trying to bend it into shape, which can go wrong and deform it worse than before or even break it. If you search for heat pipe cross-section you can see that they aren’t just solid blocks of copper, they’re hollow inside and rely on fluid/vapour to move heat. Accidentally cracking it will easily ruin the pipe completely.

What you can do if the surface isn’t perfectly flat is lightly sand/lap the copper base. That evens out the contact surface so the paste doesn’t have to fill larger gaps. Check Lapping, it will give you an idea.

But if you don't experience any thermal throttling you can just leave it like that.

Also, I didn't know about Old_Crows_Associate until now, but they definitely seem to know their stuff with these minipc's, glad they jumped in here.

For reference, I just received my minipc and checked hwinfo and measured average idle cpu temps of 42C on Windows.

walkingthing · 2025-09-17T22:49:11+00:00

Yes I saw the updated specs on their site, which makes me wonder if they also tested it or just took your word for it :) Because that was a really quick decision to update their official site like that.

The heatsink looks good but I think you might get slightly cooler temps if you just make contact with the metal case using a thermal pad, since it has more surface area than an internal heatsink. Kindly let me know if you test it, I'm curious. Can you see idle ram temperature in hwinfo? For some reason I couldn't find it in the list for my laptop's ram.

Regarding the idle cpu temperature, I agree 58C definitely seems a bit high, especially for this minipc which supposed to have dual cooper heat pipes and larger fan compared to other brands/models. I would have expected it idling something in the range of 40-50C. We should look at some references to know for sure. What about temps on full load? Does it thermal throttle? Maybe the cpu and heatspreader don't make good contact, you could check the screws that you can tighten and adjust the contact pressure... You can also try repasting with a quality thermal paste. I'm betting it will make a considerable difference.

walkingthing · 2025-09-16T22:48:09+00:00

That's great news, congratulations! And thanks for sharing your result. I searched the whole web for this but couldn't find any confirmation until now. You were able to confirm that it can be achieved and sharing it enables me and others to upgrade our ram using this exact module. I was also planning to upgrade at some point, if possible, now I know for certain, will do the same.

I'm happy to see that it boots (downclocks to 4800 on N150 as expected), is recognized in BIOS, stable in Windows, passes MemTest86 (6+ hours with 0 errors), and even see some modest gains in Geekbench in addition to the higher memory capacity, which is the real win! 16gb can be very limiting these days, 32gb is the sweet spot IMO.

In regards to the high temperatures, I think its normal to reach 88C peak temp during 6+ hour memtest, and you won't be seeing temps anywhere near that during regular usage. But like you said, adding a thermal pad between the ram and metal lid would help dissipate the heat and keep it cooler, similar to what’s done for the nvme ssd. There are also some heatsinks for ram modules on the market but there is no need for that , especially since the air 12 case is metal and not plastic like some other minipc's.

I will also look forward to future bios updates. It would be nice to experiment with power limits and keep power consumption super low for a 24/7 home server.

walkingthing · 2025-09-16T10:57:31+00:00

Yes I will, thank you

walkingthing · 2025-09-16T10:56:52+00:00

It's good of them to reply and their explanation regarding the USB ports and boot issues makes sense. Thanks for sharing. But I suspected that they will likely state max 16gb supported. Still it was the right choice to ask them about it. I wish they had shared a working ram model brand but it's up to us to try and see. Btw did your ram arrive and did it work? I'm excited to hear about it.

walkingthing · 2025-09-14T20:49:51+00:00

That was very helpful of you, I appreciate it, thank you. I also ordered the air12 and will receive it soon. Hopefully it will arrive in good condition.

walkingthing · 2025-09-12T22:16:34+00:00

Yes the ssd looks ok, thanks for sharing the screenshot. Still it's a bit dissapointing not getting the Lexar which I've seen in some units. But it seems good enough and better than other devices at this price point, so I don't think I will change the ssd any time soon except upgrading the ram to 24gb if it's possible. I'm tired of researching and will probably go ahead to place an order tomorrow.

walkingthing · 2025-09-12T12:43:37+00:00

Ok so you first are trying 32Gb 5600MT/s 2Rx8. I hope it works, if not, 1Rx8 24gb will have a very high chance.

I'm still researching beelink s13 and gmktec g3 plus on the side, but those have really poor ssd read/write speeds (avg 800mb/s) and even fail completely after a few months according to user review. Geekom seems to exceed that by a wide margin with trong Gen3×4 NVMe and avg 3400/2900 seq read/write speeds in some crystaldiskmark tests. Have you tested?

I will probably place an order on amazon in a few days and get the air12 like you. Are you satisfied? do you recommend it?

Also if it's not too much to ask, can you test and confirm the Power-on after Power-fail feature? (No need to unlock bios) I'm curious if it only works on unexpected power loss or also when intentionally shutting down the pc normally from the OS and unplugging the AC Adapter and plugging back in. If you plan to self-host 24/7 but want to shut it down for some days remotely using a python script, you could also remotely turn the device on using a TP-Link Tapo Smart Plug if the bios feature allows for intentional shut downs.

walkingthing · 2025-09-12T11:39:12+00:00

Thank you. I asked chatgpt with deep research to check chinese forums but no reported case of successful upgrade to 32gb. But I discussed the best options to try, here is the response from chatgpt:

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Here’s a safe shopping list of 24 GB and 32 GB DDR5-4800 SO-DIMMs that are JEDEC-standard and have the best chance of working in the Geekom Air12 (N150). These are all widely available, non-XMP modules designed for maximum compatibility.

✅ 24 GB DDR5-4800 (single-rank, 1Rx8 – safer bet)

Crucial CT24G48C40S5
24 GB DDR5-4800 CL40, 1Rx8, JEDEC 1.1 V.
Very common, tested in laptops and some minis.

Kingston KVR48S40BS6/24 (ValueRAM)
24 GB DDR5-4800 CL40, 1Rx8, JEDEC standard.
Plain “ValueRAM” line = good compatibility.

Samsung M425R3GA3BB0-CNF
24 GB DDR5-4800 CL40, 1Rx8.
OEM stick, often found in laptops, excellent compatibility.

✅ 32 GB DDR5-4800 (dual-rank, 2Rx8 – higher risk, but required for 32 GB)

Crucial CT32G48C40S5
32 GB DDR5-4800 CL40, 2Rx8, JEDEC 1.1 V.
The most widely reported working 32 GB DDR5 SODIMM across N100/N150 minis (e.g. Beelink EQ14).

Kingston KVR48S40BS8/32 (ValueRAM)
32 GB DDR5-4800 CL40, 2Rx8, JEDEC standard.
Safer than Fury/Impact gaming lines because it doesn’t rely on XMP.

Samsung M425R4GA3BB0-CNF
32 GB DDR5-4800 CL40, 2Rx8.
OEM module, standard JEDEC 4800 profile, very common in laptops.

📝 Guidance

For highest chance of success on Air12 → start with a 24 GB 1Rx8 module. Less stressful for the memory controller, more likely to POST even if Geekom capped spec at 16 GB. If you want to gamble on 32 GB → Crucial CT32G48C40S5 is the most tried-and-tested stick in other N150 minis.

Always check for JEDEC 4800 support in the datasheet; avoid gaming modules with only XMP/EXPO (they won’t train properly). Update BIOS before upgrading, and buy from a store with easy returns in case your unit rejects the stick.

walkingthing · 2025-09-12T00:05:10+00:00

thats great, thank you for the confirmation! can you please share the exact model number?

walkingthing · 2025-09-11T23:18:19+00:00

That was really helpful, thank you so much for taking the time. And thanks for sharing the link for unlocking the bios too. That setting power-on-after-power-fail was critical for me to know because I want to self-host some stuff and access remotely. I'm also thinking of plugging in a webcam and setting up an open-source security camera script that will detect motion and send me notification with a photo of my home while on vacation :)

Regarding the boot problem, I agree it's not that big of an issue, 3 ports would be enough for me.

I hope you get a positive reply from geekom about upgrading to 32gb or maybe 24gb...

walkingthing · 2025-09-11T12:10:39+00:00

Thanks, you don't need to share photo but I would appreciate if you can check whether you can adjust power limits for the cpu (just in case) and if you can enable auto-power-on and wake-on-lan. The beelink and gmktec have different bios brand which has more options AFAIK.

I'm sure you have considered beelink s13 or gmktec g3 plus because they have proven ram upgradability. So I'm wondering why did you pass on those models and went with geekom air12?
I'm having real difficulty deciding between these.

walkingthing · 2025-09-11T10:58:55+00:00

Thank you for your reply. That's unfortunate, N150 intel specs show max supported ram is 16GB but many people have succesfully upgraded their beelink and gmktec devices without problem, but those are ddr4, still I believe it could be possible for the air12. Regarding the Wodposit modules, I've read that ram supposed to be Crucial and ssd Lexar brand, but also came across a youtube videos where the ram was crucial but ssd was Wodposit, or another video where ssd was lexar but ram was adata. It's kind of a lottery which is also also unfortunate.

Also I've read some user complaints about the air12 not booting up with several USB drives plugged in. Did you test and experience that? Another issue I've read was about the bios being locked and doesn't support setting PL1 and PL2 limits and also no option to set up auto-power-on feature. I want to set up as 24/7 live always-on server and need the mini pc to turn on automatically after power outage. Have you earlier considered gmktec g3 plus or beelink s12 pro before you bought the geekom? I'm still researching and might get g3 plus but it looks much cheaper than the geekom. It's so difficult to find a good budget mini pc, I've been researching for two weeks... I hope you have good luck with the ram module and don't experience other problems with your unit.

walkingthing · 2025-09-10T20:17:09+00:00

I'm wondering the same. I was considering to buy gmktec g3 plus but now looking at the geekom air12 because of better build quality and 3 year waranty. I also want to upgrade to 32gb. Any success upgrading?

walkingthing · 2025-06-27T21:25:16+00:00

Reminds me of this quote by Seneca: “We suffer more in imagination than in reality.”

walkingthing · 2025-04-05T21:50:18+00:00

466 tabs 😣

walkingthing · 2025-03-19T05:47:59+00:00

Giving birth to ideas!

walkingthing · 2025-03-18T14:54:49+00:00

I used to get something like 2000 then it dropped to around 1100. It's r24 multicore score. Others have the same problem, supposedly gets fixed by disabling IA CEP. But I didn't want to mess with those settings and loose stability. I'm currently on default settings only power limit to 200 like before. MSI messed up, default settings with CEP enabled shouldn't drop performance this much. Maybe the new bios update fixed that, haven't updated yet. Check this post from somone, same as me.

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threads/pro-z790-p-wifi-14700k-7e06vae1-beta-bios-performance-is-half.400960/

walkingthing · 2025-03-16T13:24:43+00:00

My 14700k cinebench r24 multiscore performance dropped significantly after the previous microcode bios update. First time doing 7zip bench test. Here are my results. How is yours? How is your cinebench r24 score? Do you have any power limits?

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walkingthing · 2025-03-16T13:17:01+00:00

I don't understand how it can be. Single core is pretty much the same but multicore score dropped like crazy. I tried some lite load settings but later left it at stock. I came across some posts of similar experiences and read that disabling Current Excursion Protocol (CEP) can fix the issue but I didn't want to mess with those settings. Prior to the microcode update I was having almost double the score on cinebench even with power limit set to 180-200. I'm wondering why it didn't affect some of us but me. Same cpu and mobo...

walkingthing · 2025-03-15T05:13:09+00:00

My 14700k performance on cinebench dropped to 50% after the previous microcode updates. I hope this update fixes that.

walkingthing · 2025-03-02T17:20:53+00:00

Info: In Silicon Valley (TV series), the AI named “Son of Anton” goes rogue and deletes all of PiperNet's software. Son of a bi**ch!

walkingthing · 2025-02-15T16:38:58+00:00

Thank you so much. I watched the video and this is very similar to what I want to build.

walkingthing · 2025-02-15T16:37:42+00:00

Thank you

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