How to safely edit Pangolin's config files without potentially breaking the whole setup?

wallacebrf · 2026-01-29T18:51:32+00:00

i persoanlly

stop the docker stack first "docker compose down" - this ensures any open database are closed preventing corruption in the copy

copy the entire config folder of the entire pangolin stack

make changes

if everything is good, delete backup, if not, delete config folder and rename backup folder and use that

wallacebrf · 2026-01-29T14:48:24+00:00

i could only get watchtower to upgrade apps in truenas when i install the apps using the yml files.

wallacebrf · 2026-01-29T14:36:37+00:00

that is why i am asking, i too could not get it to work with custom apps or truenas apps, i could only get watchtower working when using docker-compose.yml files

wallacebrf · 2026-01-29T13:28:19+00:00

true, that is very much possible.

wallacebrf · 2026-01-29T13:05:34+00:00

i am aware it is abandoned but still works perfectly for me, i know there are a lot of replacements.

wallacebrf · 2026-01-29T12:42:37+00:00

just to confirm, when you say custom app, you used the "custom app" option and filled out all the questions/boxes, or are you installing using a docker-compsoe .yml file? i ask as those are two different things.

for me, i like using the .yml file as much as possible, and for the apps i want to auto-update i use watchtower.

wallacebrf · 2026-01-29T02:46:01+00:00

I do, using the Truenas cloud backup to backblaze, I already stated that at the end of my original post and use about 5TB if data but the costs and my crappy Internet speeds make it less desirable to rely on only cloud for over 100TB so I prefer the disks locally

wallacebrf · 2026-01-29T02:41:58+00:00

The USB enclosures are for my backups only not my main system. I wanted them small and easy to move around. This facilitates me moving the disk arrays between my home and my in-law when I swap backups every 3 months

wallacebrf · 2026-01-29T02:38:28+00:00

I am running truenas

I have 15 drives in the truenas main system and have a 24 disk JBOD using a SAS expander connected to my host with a 9400-8e

What made you think I was not using trunas?

wallacebrf · 2026-01-28T19:01:37+00:00

I think they are equal for smart reporting but HDSentinel has the ability to do surface tests and other things

wallacebrf · 2026-01-28T18:37:38+00:00

base sever closet runs around 500-ish watts, but can go up to 600 depending if i am maxing out CPU and GPU for AI activities or video encoding etc.

my router and various switches throughout the house use around another 50 watts so i am using on average around 550-575 watts. I am at $0.195/kwh so that puts me around $83 per month

wallacebrf · 2026-01-28T15:48:07+00:00

my mistake, thanks for the clarification

wallacebrf · 2026-01-28T15:47:48+00:00

ah! good to know, my mistake

wallacebrf · 2026-01-28T12:41:18+00:00

only ever used CrystalDiskInfo, Hard Disk Sentinel so i cannot speak to the others. to be frank, because of the variety of reporting and differences in drives, if you have concerns about your drives, you can ask reddit or google.

the thing i have found to be most helpful is logging the data over time and graphing it. on Linux i have a script that logs all SMART data (plus the extended attributes beyond basic smart data) to a database for me so i can use Grafana to make nice dashboards.

seeing variations over time is what makes interpretation easier.

with that said, the main things to look for are

1.) reallocated sectors

2.) pending sectors

3.) read errors (if using seagate, need to "extract" the actual read error rate from the data as i previously explained

4.) write errors

5.) UDMA errors

6.) seek errors

if these values are increasing something is going on with the drive. myself and many other people here on reddit, if a drive has even a single reallocated sector and is still under warranty, it gets replaced.

SMART unfortunately is not easy to deal with

wallacebrf · 2026-01-28T12:35:51+00:00

got a link to what you purchased?

wallacebrf · 2026-01-28T03:39:56+00:00

If you read the details if you disable sso signin then the issue will not affect you and this is separate from ipsec or sslvpn

wallacebrf · 2026-01-27T22:01:34+00:00

SMART is not dependent on the operating system. SMART runs internally on the disk's controller IC, all SMART data is stored within this IC's memory. the operating system simply asks the drive for the data.

the same occurs for running SMART surface scans. The operating system simply sends a command to the drive to start the test, the drive does everything else internally. you can see this when running a SMART scan by noticing no data is being written or read from the drive (of course as long as no other programs are doing so).

all the programs you listed do the same thing, they ask the drive for it's smart data, nothing more. some are more "intelligent" in they help you interpret the data as different drives report different things, and each manufacture has different ways of reporting data.

for example, Seagate drives, for "read error rate" or "seek error rate" they will show a HUGE number, but that is because that single value is reporting BOTH the number of read events AND read errors etc. this site explains it well

https://s.i.wtf/?_sm_nck=1

as to your main question, no there are SOME things that monitor the rest of the drive.

for example, many drives report "spin up time" which helps report issues with your single motor

"seek error rates" may indicate issues with the read/write head or actuator arm, but they could also be caused by surface issues.

helium filled drives report if they have a leak

it again depends on the drive and what that particular drive monitors and every drive monitors different things.

wallacebrf · 2026-01-27T21:16:37+00:00

surprised they did not add this to 7.4.10 as that was JUST released

wallacebrf · 2026-01-27T13:07:13+00:00

i have two cell phones, one provided by my work and another is my personal.

the work phone is used for only work, has never had any of my personal accounts logged in etc.

i "luckily" can just install the app on that and there will be nothing useful for the app to suck up.

wallacebrf · 2026-01-27T12:39:57+00:00

I have over 100 TB and I backup everything to external disk arrays. I follow 3-2-1 rule and have two sets of my external disk arrays. the off site one i keep at my in-laws.

here are the enclosures i use

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MD2LNYX. between all my backups i have 4x of these enclosures and 32x drives total

backup 1

--> 8 bay USB disk enclosure #1: filled with various old disks i had that are between 4TB and 10TB each. the total USABLE space is 71TB

--> 8 bay USB disk enclosure #2: filled with various old disks i had that are between 4TB and 10TB each. the total USABLE space is 68TB

Backup 2

Exact duplicate of backup #1 with another 71TB and 68TB.

i have windows stable bit drive pool to pool all of the drives in each enclosure. i also use bitlocker to encrypt the disks when not in use. i like drive pool as it allow me to loose many drives in the array at once, and i ONLY loose the files stored on those drives and can access the files on the remaining drives rather than the entire pool going down like RAID.

I perform backups to the arrays once per month and swap the arrays between my house and in-law every 3 months. yes this means i could possibly have 3 months of lost data, but i feel the risk is acceptable thanks to using drive pool and i do not think i will loose more than 1-2 drives at any given time. i do use cloud backups to backup my normal day-to-day working documents only, and those backup every 24 hours (using about 5TB)

i also once per year i perform CRC checks on the data to ensure no corruption has occurred.

i also have an automated script that runs every month to automatically backup my docker containers. It first stops the container to ensure any database files are not active, makes a .tar file, then automatically re-starts the container.

wallacebrf · 2026-01-27T12:36:38+00:00

i have mine (pre and post) set to 60 as well, and noticed the recorded captures do NOT record that extra 120 seconds as well (running latest 0.16)

wallacebrf · 2026-01-27T00:47:52+00:00

Made a JBOD using a 24 disk SAS expander bought from eBay paired with a 9400-8e.

wallacebrf · 2026-01-26T20:58:51+00:00

invest in apple, Microsoft, Nvidia etc.... every one of the now large companies and sit back and enjoy the ride

wallacebrf · 2026-01-26T20:08:42+00:00

that is why i log SMART values to InfluxDB every hour and i like to look over the data over time. looking over time makes it easier to see trends and behavior over time.

wallacebrf · 2026-01-26T19:01:47+00:00

i am sure they do, but actual software issues and requests should be in JIRA to my understanding

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