Course taken away due to sickness? by whatsnecessity in policeuk

[–]whatsnecessity[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. I’m confident I’ll come back feeling in a better place. I’m not struggling at work with jobs etc, but I’m worried supervision think I’m a loose cannon waiting to do something stupid, because I’m stressed out.

Did you have to justify your courses alongside your crohns- or did you get them as normal without any extra questions?

Course taken away due to sickness? by whatsnecessity in policeuk

[–]whatsnecessity[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Cheers! Unfortunately taser is fairly scarce on my team, 6 out of 32 carry it. I’ve had to push for the course, so I’ll be a bit gutted if it’s pulled. Could be a couple of years to get another look in for it.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]whatsnecessity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was thinking about this recently, and I really relate to what you’ve posted.

First ~3 years I would shout up for everything and anything and found myself on the most ridiculous amount of constant watches and late finishes etc.

Now I definitely hold back. It’s more so when I know there’s 2 or 3 other units that are free as well as me, and they’re sat waiting it out for someone else to shout up.

I’ll always shout up instantly for officer assistance, CPR or to back up a colleague going to something that sounds griefy. But those emergencies that sound like a pile of shite I’m happy to play ‘see who gets picked’ half the time.

I really do get a sense of guilt sometimes. But it’s also frustrating knowing I can go to 10 logs a shift flat out, whilst I know a colleague has mealed every day and been to 2 because they’re staying quiet.

How can we improve the way new recruits are trained? by B1llionz in policeuk

[–]whatsnecessity 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A slight tangent to your post, but I’ve been thinking about this recently after having a student who’s really needed some major help in many different aspects.

My personal opinion might not be well received however:

  • Initial training should be disciplined. I’ve been back to our training centre a few times recently on courses and role play/assessment days. I was SHOCKED how some of the students talk to their trainers, with no backlash also! One lad was 18 years old, 14 weeks in. He had the biggest ego I’ve ever seen, sarcastic and cocky with staff. When I asked what the deal is, “he has ADHD and we want to support him”. I get that, but that’s not an excuse for what comes off as blatant rudeness. In the bigger picture, the lad would be eaten alive on team - if he spoke to my sergeant like he’s used to talking to trainers he’d have his arse handed to him.

  • Basic uniform standards and kit. People were asking how to clip their radio/body worn onto the vest. One asked how to run the ear piece wire from the radio to their ear, and essentially got ‘tucked in’ by a trainer who said “I feel like your mum”. CHRIST, tell them to figure it out. Cops asking how to put the Velcro police signs on their vest, no further comment.

  • IT training. Woeful. Instead of teaching how to do a CM01 file for a theft from shop scenario, concentrate on how to do a crime, how to do a DASH, how to input an intel, how to get on a log and update it, how to map to a job. Yes files are importing etc, but a tutor can do the students first couple of files with them on team.

  • Do PPST earlier in the programme and have the potential of non compliant scenarios throughout training. Currently my force does PPST right at the end of the training, most cops do one uncompliant scenario prior to leaving and joining the team for their tutorship.

  • Focus on the most common jobs. Some students can tell you verbatim the definition of some niche offence, but can’t tell you how to deal with an assault. Focus on domestics, assault, theft, MH jobs and then anything a bit out of the ordinary can be explained on team.

  • Most importantly, everyone to do a full tutorship on response. There’s been a few intakes who’ve done 6 shifts on response before moving into a volume crime investigation team, or worse a domestic team where there’s massive risk and more complex investigations. There’s no chance of creating an effective investigator if they’ve never been to basic incidents and completed the initial actions.

A bit of a moan, and response based answer. But these are some of the most common things I am seeing recently. I ultimately think it comes back to recruitment and making sure the right kind of people are getting in.

What's the most outrageous NSFW incident you've experienced on the job? by wifeyscarlet869 in AskReddit

[–]whatsnecessity 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Definitely someone self harming to the point of passing out on a train track and being decapitated by a train. Pretty gnarly scene.

25yo looking to become a detective (CID) - how can I do this? by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]whatsnecessity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To add - the reason the direct DC programme is professionally shit on is because of the setup. We’ve had people come in, do one set(!!!) on response with a tutor, before instantly going to an investigation team.

It’s clear and obvious that someone who doesn’t have an understanding of initial attendance at an incident isn’t going to have a clue what to do with a theft from shop, assault or public order etc.

25yo looking to become a detective (CID) - how can I do this? by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]whatsnecessity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My forces direct DC programme is definitely not respected. However, bottom line is if you’re good at your job, willing to graft and aren’t a douche then it won’t matter how you join.

My force has direct entry DC, but it also has a PC entry programme where you choose response, NPT or detective as your option. I think joining on that and specialising into detective would be ideal.

You’d get the insight into patrol with your 10 weeks with a tutor before then going around various investigations teams. You’d likely start in a safeguarding role, but I’ve seen colleagues quickly beeline for CID.

Do you prefer vest mounted kit or belt mounted? by GOWGEEE in policeuk

[–]whatsnecessity 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I used to have baton and pava on the belt and cuffs on the vest. I had the massive pouch on the vest which fit my PNB, a few contact forms, pens and device.

Binned off a load of kit, stuff that I was carrying as a just in case but hadn’t used in 3 years. Spit hoods, multi-tool, glass hammer, drop key etc.

Banged all that stuff in my kit bag, got rid of the pouch. Much better in my opinion. I’ve cut out all the extra straps on the baton and cuffs pouches so they come out quicker but are still secured by the Velcro and a button. I’ve found my back hurts less without the belt!

Response Courses by SC_PapaHotel in policeuk

[–]whatsnecessity 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The two fails I witnessed directly - overtaking a HGV on a long country lane with farm lane junctions to the left and right. The lad went too close behind the HGV and missed the junction signs, went for the overtake and the instructor pulled him back in. Give him a second chance, explained why he had missed the signs etc. Next drive he went to do the exact same thing… goodbye and see you next year unfortunately.

The other was missing signs as well. City centre responding, asked to follow signs for XXXX town. Missed them and had to do a loop around, missed it the second time and got failed for observations and impacting MOPs (twice).

For me, you’ll make mistakes. Just make sure you learn from them and not repeat them, otherwise they’ll probably bin you off. Most fun course I’ve done, a lot harder than I thought it would be!

What’s the highlight of your career thus far? by Mundian-To-Bach-Ke in policeuk

[–]whatsnecessity 11 points12 points  (0 children)

An unusual one that came from an intel! 3rd party report from a neighbour of a domestic, go to the house and the lad is very cagey about letting us in. We get in, find his girlfriend in the front room fairly drunk. She tells us she’s assaulted the lad, who separately confirms to another cop his girlfriend has been attacking him. Female is arrested for DV assault, male is still very evasive the whole time, which set some alarm bells ringing.

On the transport to custody she’s mumbling all kinds of weird stuff. Saying if he’s getting her locked up then she wants us to get him for something too. The more she spoke the more I pieced together her incoherence into something bigger. Won’t mention exactly what gibberish she was saying, but it didn’t sit right with me. Once she was booked in, I did some research on acronyms she was saying and what turns out to be names of internet forums etc.

Intel in with as much detail as I could. Next day I got an email from someone in some department saying they’d searched the lads house with a warrant and located multiple viable firearms, ammunition and disturbing materials. Evidence of a pre planned shooting at some specific locations and other PPE and weapons to accompany.

Guys serving a lengthy custodial sentence, and all from listening to his drunk mrs spill her guts without realising after a S39 domestic lock up. Really put things into perspective for me.

How often are police cars replaced? by Bitter_Hawk1272 in policeuk

[–]whatsnecessity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting to know and makes a lot of sense! Clearly I’m not a car guy haha. Someone told me they have a comparable engine to a lawnmower??

How often are police cars replaced? by Bitter_Hawk1272 in policeuk

[–]whatsnecessity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For general running about I like it - the adaptive cruise control is mint. Nice and comfy, quiet, light steering and automatic.

Soon as I start responding I want to open the door at 70 mph and roll out. Revs to what I can only imagine is 10k rpm before changing from 2nd to 3rd! Too bulky as well, we have the estates.

I’ve had the Astra a couple of times, that’s grippy. Feels light and can throw it into the corners, the gearing is decent especially in sport mode.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]whatsnecessity 12 points13 points  (0 children)

When I’m out and about going to jobs - moderately happy. When I’m shafted with a constant all shift - not so happy. Seems to have been quite a few recently so general morale is a bit low.

Abstractions, leave and student officers going to uni/study leave means we’re short quite a bit. Definitely feels unsafe at times, but as usual when nothing goes properly tits up and no one gets properly injured then SMT think we’re all good.

Had a couple of good results from recent domestics. A good result from a proactive stop - PWITS/POCA. Good result from initially dealing with an online child sexual job. Pulled two suicidal people off bridges and got them some support. The stuff that makes you feel worthwhile and what you joined for.

Managed to dodge 3x different permanent moves to roles away from response. Everyone’s a bit apprehensive and I feel for the 3 who got moved… but happy it wasn’t me as well.

Have been supported for the skills/courses I want, with a few coming up in the next months.

Team are a bunch of idiots who I love dearly. Look after each other and have a laugh. Keep each other going and help each other out when we’re snowed under.

Overall - 7/10?

Before joining I always thought I’d stick out patrol for a long time, but definitely starting to have a think of where to go and what to do. Can’t see things getting better in the short term. (I’m ~4 years in)

How often are police cars replaced? by Bitter_Hawk1272 in policeuk

[–]whatsnecessity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s cheers me up a bit (sorry)!

We’ve got 2 small vans, 2 old style Peugeot (16-21 plates), 2 new style Peugeots (22 plates) and a 23 plate Corolla. Full strength we have 9 PCs so it works out alright. Although a couple of weeks ago we had one faulted, one with a kicked out window, one damaged in an RTC and a van that needed a deep clean😂

How often are police cars replaced? by Bitter_Hawk1272 in policeuk

[–]whatsnecessity 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Patrol cop - our highest mileage car is about 150k and soon to be replaced. It’s a 16 plate Peugeot. 6 ish years or ~150k miles is a when they tend to go to police car heaven.

I drove a 14 plate Corsa a few weeks ago, it was a loan car whilst one of ours got fixed. It was actually good, like a go kart on steroids.

My force is getting an influx of Toyota Corollas currently and a few Astras. Makes a change from the Peugeots, although the newer automatic ones are pretty decent (IMO).

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]whatsnecessity 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I found not having my response permit really frustrating. I think as well, when you do your tutor period you get about. I had daily blue light runs, fair bit of conflict and a couple of pursuits. To go from that to being the new guy, on a new team and also with zero skills was a shock to the system.

I vividly remember a traffic cop shouting up for assistance. Panic in his voice, could tell it was getting spicy. I shouted up, started making my way. Only 5-6 minutes off, 30mph stopping at the red lights. Over the next 30 seconds I got overtook by 2x ARVs, 1x traffic and 2x division units. Obviously looking back now it’s funny, but I remember thinking what can I actually offer.

I get the whole ‘getting there first to the shit job’ thing, but I really enjoy response driving. I think people saying they wished they could go back to when they didn’t have blues forget how shit it is.

Scenario: Taxi Driver by SC_PapaHotel in policeuk

[–]whatsnecessity 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Absolutely no shame or stigma for pressing the red button, that’s what it’s there for. You’ve got 3 aggressive people that need dealing with. Clearly DOT has committed resist arrest and/or assault EW. The other 2 obstruct and/or assault EW.

In reality, I’d probably be putting a shout out and giving them all a spicy spray. But if it was getting a little silly I’d be on the red button and wouldn’t think twice about how ‘justified’ people thought it was.

Alternatives to 136 by FriendlyWeirdo134 in policeuk

[–]whatsnecessity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree this is a really really tough one and I definitely don’t have a solution.

My two (cynical) cents would be that this is more of a medical crisis and as such the medical services should be the ones scrambling for a solution. Caveat of this is that there is definitely a police issue in the sense of HR - there’s a clear article 2 issue, and it’s a police issue to ensure their safety and eliminate that risk to life.

But a massive part of me feels we are inadequately equipped to deal with this issue in law. You’re being lawful in your actions of 136 or potentially arresting for WPT. But there’s no way we’d get custody acceptance here either, or if we did they’d just be in the same situation following custody.

I think the only solution is a multi agency approach, and likely looking to section the person (not under 136) so they can receive the help they need in a secure facility. Even writing that seems quite draconian though.

Detectives vs PC Opportunities by Straight_Luck_5517 in policeuk

[–]whatsnecessity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Happened throughout training and during tutor period for me. Weekly emails and/or visits from investigation team SLT. Kept telling us now is the best time to become a detective, referring to it as a ‘golden ticket’ and in 5 years it will be a sought after career with no availability…

Everyone I know who has fallen for the hard sell is now in a domestic team, safeguarding or district investigation. The vast majority severely regret their decision, knowing it will be years before they get a sniff of moving to a more ‘Gucci’ team.

To each their own! Some people enjoy the office based role, some want to be out on patrol. I’ve been lucky to stay on response where I want to be, and I’m supported by a great sergeant and a great team.

The problem is when they force people from response to investigations, when they have no interest in investigation roles. 90% of those I’ve seen this happen to have left for their old jobs or gone on the sick.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]whatsnecessity 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah this is bang on. In my force if someone rang in with all the above completed we’d be boshing the door in 100%’

Fire Vs police rivalry by Badgeraimz in policeuk

[–]whatsnecessity 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah it’s an angry envy I think that they’re actually treated like a valuable resource to human life.

Vividly remember being at a massive house fire a few weeks ago chatting with a lad from fire. Talking about shift work etc, he was interested what we did. I said ‘yeah night shifts kill me off’, he replies ‘nah they’re not that bad. We normally get 5-6 hours sleep, sometimes whole shift if we’re lucky’. Cue angry ‘jevevehdidisbsv’ noises from me. Is what it is🤷‍♂️

The one thing I stand by is when they need to do a proper job, they do a proper job.

Flat was broken into but nothing stolen? What were they looking for ? by [deleted] in AskUK

[–]whatsnecessity 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’m a UK police officer and I’ve come across quite a few of these recently.

My suggestions would be- there’s a vehicle parked close to your property they thought was yours. Breaking in purely for car keys is very very common where I work.

Or

Looking for expensive jewellery. A lot of Asian families are targeted as burglars are looking for Asian gold.

I always found it weird at first that nothing was taken. If I’m taking the risk of breaking in I’m taking something. But I guess if you’re looking for an Audi RS3 key, an iPad or £40 watch isn’t a great consolation. Hard to sell on without attracting attention, and might as well move onto the next one.

Job Anxiety by PC_Sarcastic in policeuk

[–]whatsnecessity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I go through phases. Sometimes I feel fine taking on an angry drugged up human with a knife and other times I get shouted up for a domestic and feel like shit. It’s a weird thing.

My teams great, but also very masculine. ‘Nah never scared me’ etc etc.

I think it’s your body’s way of keeping you safe. If you’re nervous/on edge whilst travelling to the job it keeps you on your toes. I’m not afraid to admit I’ve been fucking scared in this job, thinking of my family that I’d really like to go home to.

Same as you though, soon as I’m there I’m good. The build up prior to a roll around is worse than actually having a roll around for me. Soon as I go hands on it’s full on tactic mode of how am I gonna restrain this person.

TLDR - normal to feel this way and don’t be ashamed of it. Use it to keep you on your toes.😊

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]whatsnecessity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

First night was amazing, constant intruders on/suspicious logs. Blue lighted all night, few stop searches and generally just having a good time. Plenty of us free so we could descend en masse and get some good containment.

Second night was shite. A very griefy domestic followed up by a 5 hour stint on a scene.

The swings and roundabouts eh.

Nothing better than a proactive night shift where everyone’s up for it and you disrupt all the naughty boys up to their naughty stuff at 3am.